Kites for trully light wind days - sub 10knots?

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Kazan
Kazan
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1 Jan 2014 9:52pm
Ok. I know the Ozone Zephyr 17mt is a trully light wind leading edge inflatable (LEI) kite, and depending on your weight it would "work" in sub 10knots, even though it's rated for anything above 10knots (correct me if I am wrong).

So what other LEI kites are trully sub 10knot water kite surfing kites? I say it like that because I know Flysurfers, Peter Lynns, and HQs are trully light wind kites when larger than 14mt2. So aside from foils, what is a trully light wind kite that stays powered and at the zenith without having to loop it back and forth to create tension on the lines, and hence power to kite? In other words, a kite that stays up!

Anyone here own such a beast and how has your experience been when the wind is trully light, almost next to nothing?

Thanks
Kazan
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1 Jan 2014 10:39pm
Wicksy said..

Have you seen this?

http://www.boardridingmaui.com/kite.html


Very interesting design. But the price! Ouch. Thanks for that anyway. So far the Ozone and Epic kites are in the running for my money.
cauncy
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1 Jan 2014 8:56pm
Slingshot turbine,
19 and 21 edge
Airiush zero
A zephyr or epic v2 paired with a big Tt or sector would also work
Kazan
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1 Jan 2014 11:13pm
Yeah. I did some more googling, and it really comes down to board type, size and technique as well. I mean there are guys riding 12 or even 10mt kites in 8 to 11 knots but they have sector boards. Hmmmm time for a new board purcahse it seems.

My biggest kite is the Cab switchblade II at 14mt. Should be enough, but she fell out of the sky too often on me today. I know she is old but boy what a great kite in 15knots! Is there bridle adjustments that could be done to make kites fly better in light winds?
cauncy
cauncy
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1 Jan 2014 9:25pm
Buy a set of 4 mtr lines , tweeking the kite ie opening the face will make it backstall in very light winds but may help aroun d 12 knts , lw riding takes technique and the are plenty of tips, as for boards look at what you want to do whilst riding, I used to be constantly looking how to spend more time on the water , now I don't bother until 13 knts
Kazan
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1 Jan 2014 11:39pm
These guys are doing what I want to do..

iggypop
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2 Jan 2014 9:08pm
I've just bought a Cabrinah contra 17 m I took it out today in hardly any wind at all with a Cabrinah stylus light wind board , amazing combination not only was I riding I was well powered up in wind that I couldn't keep my 14 switch blade flying in
And you get the water to yourself
I went to the beach about 6 weeks ago on a light wind day and watched a few instructors all on different 17 meter kites the contras really ran rings around the other kites , they were parking the contras while the other guys were working the hell out of the cores and crazy flys only to drop them and not be able to relaunch , this is why I chose the contra and can not believe how much fun it is
Sorry if I sound like a salesman , I am just so happy with it
cutch
cutch
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2 Jan 2014 8:51pm
Yep depends on your board and how you want to kite. I've got a turbine 17m, it's best as a yellow arrow kite - at 10-12 knots I use my normal TT (Dundee) and it's great fun. It likes to park and ride after 1 or maybe 2 sweeps, like a big old car. Sub 10 you'd need a bigger board but it would go as low as any I reckon, it's one of the gruntier big kites, definitely worth considering.
apepene43
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3 Jan 2014 8:38am
I bought a nrg 14 light breeze I use it with a 154 crazy fly cruiser twin tip I think I can use in any wind I can keep it up prob around 8 to 19,knotts at 14 to 15 fully powered 76 kg but hard to relaunch without assistance under 9
apepene43
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3 Jan 2014 8:39am
I I also add the 7 metre line extensions
apepene43
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3 Jan 2014 8:42am
Also wondering what would be better for light wind a large twin tip or surfboard
kitcho207
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3 Jan 2014 10:43am
at 88kg i have the board mentioned in the vid "cab plasma" and HIGHLY recommend it for 8-15kn with the Core 17m. i can get out a bit earlier than the zephs as it has more static grunt one sweep and your off. The zephs are a bit better once over 12kn
the board is a few years old, but i find its a great balance size-wise. big enough to get going sub 10kn but not too big to throw around like the door boards are.
Kazan
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3 Jan 2014 5:36pm
iggypop said..

I've just bought a Cabrinah contra 17 m ... I am just so happy with it


That is awesome feedback. Just what I wanted to hear.

What size board did you get? I am still thinking between the Epic and the Cab Switchy. How much was yours and where from? PM if needed. Thanks
Kazan
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3 Jan 2014 5:37pm
cutch said..

Yep depends on your board and how you want to kite. I've got a turbine 17m, it's best as a yellow arrow kite - at 10-12 knots I use my normal TT (Dundee) and it's great fun. It likes to park and ride after 1 or maybe 2 sweeps, like a big old car. Sub 10 you'd need a bigger board but it would go as low as any I reckon, it's one of the gruntier big kites, definitely worth considering.



Is the Turbine a Cabrinha make?
apepene43
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3 Jan 2014 7:04pm
I don't know if you really need a 17 from what ive seen down the beach ive seen a light wind pacific 14 with the rite board in ten knots doing just as well as 17 zephyr up wind etc seems the board is the most important etc but im not sure if the 17 etc can stay in the air in lighter winds than say a lw pacific 14m kite
iggypop
iggypop
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3 Jan 2014 8:31pm
Hey Kazan , the Cabrinah stylus is a 165 cm board they also make a 155 I think but shop guy said go the bigger one
It was a grand with sandle bindings ( h 1 Cabrinah as well) this gear is all 2014 so I doubt you'll find any second hand
The kite(17 meter Cabrinah contra ) is quite exy as you have to buy a special wide bar for it kite is $2 k bar is $750
Although I think I got a couple of Hundy off the kite from memory
I weigh over 110 kg and this combo gets me up in anything , some of the lighter guys I know are just riding 15 m contras
And still raving about them , they are made from light weight materials and even the lines seem slightly thinner / lighter
So they are not just an over sized normal kite , this and the fact fact they have been specifically designed for light wind makes
Them go a treat , relaunch is too easy as well and upwind ability is nuts
The only down side is they haven't got as much De power as what I'm used to and self landing is not as easy as what
I'm used to either , I think this is because these things just want to fly !!!
The good news is that the qr 1 flag out totally kills the kite instantly ( flags to 1 front line only not 2 ) as I have been out on the
Water by myself on this , as no one else can go out , I have just been using the flag out to self land and it kills all power straight away I'm still stunned at how well it goes when I went out a couple of days ago I really thought I was wasting my time
But thought I may as we'll check what it's lower limit is , I ended up over powered at some stages ( when wind picked up a knot)
And a few days earlier I took it out with some other guys who were way better riders than me and I was keeping upwind and gaining distance up wind where these guys were having to walk up the beach for 50 meters every 1 or 2 runs
I'm sure you have cab dealers in qld , I'm heading to maroochydore at Easter and saw they have a cab dealer there
If you google Cabrinah contra you'll come across the ads and info they have online same would apply for the stylus I think
Good luck hope you can afford one , maybe catch ya at Easter , cheers
cutch
cutch
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3 Jan 2014 8:55pm
Kazan said...
cutch said..

Yep depends on your board and how you want to kite. I've got a turbine 17m, it's best as a yellow arrow kite - at 10-12 knots I use my normal TT (Dundee) and it's great fun. It likes to park and ride after 1 or maybe 2 sweeps, like a big old car. Sub 10 you'd need a bigger board but it would go as low as any I reckon, it's one of the gruntier big kites, definitely worth considering.



Is the Turbine a Cabrinha make?


Slingshot
pedleym
pedleym
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3 Jan 2014 9:49pm
+1 for the zephyr
but for a standard twintip you will need 12knots with most of those kites
i would suggest a freerace board to get the very low end from those kitess
personally i find find Really large twintips really boring, in low winds your only can really only mow the lawn.
learning a directional gives you a new skill set.
buzingfridge
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4 Jan 2014 12:35am
My only issue is I have seen many a time 10knts to 0knts happens very quickly. Your not kiteing in true conditions and large room for error.
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4 Jan 2014 8:36pm
I fly in light winds a lot. I've got a 17 Zephyr, 15 Contra, 15 Edge. Zephyr is the best for low winds. I've flown the larger Contra, still prefer the performance and feel of the Zephyr. Contra is 3 strut, Zephyr is 5 strut, I've found that large kites need 5 struts to support their massive canopies efficiently.
Boards, I've got an Airush Sector One Design, Cabrinha Alias, Cabrinha Stylus 1.65 and a Cab skillet 5'10" surfboard, the Sector wins the bottom end competition, but its big and bulky, so not used as much as the Stylus. Alias has a similar bottom end to the Stylus. Surfboard is above 12 knots only. Stylus is 10 knots and the Sector can go as low as 7/8 knots, but you don't wan to drop the kite when you are turning, turning the big semi race directionals is a skill that needs to be learned, hopping off and turning the board around is an option but in a lull you can easily have the kite stall in 6/7 knots and then you will have trouble relaunching and also getting back to your precious Sector.

I've got a used 2013 Sector for sale, and also stock and sell Zephyrs and Contras.

Last night I was at Dolls and was able to kite with the Stylus and a 12M Ozone 2014 C4, but slowly lost ground in 10-12 knots, due to tide robbing me of around 2-3 knots of power. Good technique, a fast efficient kite, and a large board is always a good combo, the bigger kites just mean you can park and ride in those light winds and even do small jumps and transitions.
Kazan
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5 Jan 2014 1:23pm
Hey thanks Iggy and KP. That is great tips and advice.
Coopslander
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WA
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5 Jan 2014 11:43am
+1for the Zypher 17m for me too. I built my own bigger TT for in the light and was out this morning at the dog beach on the south easterly I got there at 12kts and true to my form lately the wind drops once i set up and according to the Melville graph when i got home it was in the red the whole time I was out initially upwind no worries then only just losing ground after that and the old girl fell out of the sky once in an off gust and me snoozing not keeping her moving but she relaunched okay.
I'm 105kgs and 6'2" and not the most experienced kite surfer but I do highly recommend this kite as even I can have fun in 8-10kts
dusta
dusta
WA
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5 Jan 2014 10:08pm
19m edge on either 25m or 32m lines . 100kegs . sub 10 knots easily doable but like anything under 10 knots keep the kite moving . raceboard
fingerbone
fingerbone
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6 Jan 2014 9:54pm
kitcho207 said..

at 88kg i have the board mentioned in the vid "cab plasma" and HIGHLY recommend it for 8-15kn with the Core 17m. i can get out a bit earlier than the zephs as it has more static grunt one sweep and your off. The zephs are a bit better once over 12kn
the board is a few years old, but i find its a great balance size-wise. big enough to get going sub 10kn but not too big to throw around like the door boards are.


Hay Kitcho...Is that the TT I had a ride on the other day....If it is its the bees knees....I would not have been out on my 12m switchy without it..Cheers again..

Billy
kitcho207
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7 Jan 2014 8:57am
fingerbone said..

kitcho207 said..

at 88kg i have the board mentioned in the vid "cab plasma" and HIGHLY recommend it for 8-15kn with the Core 17m. i can get out a bit earlier than the zephs as it has more static grunt one sweep and your off. The zephs are a bit better once over 12kn
the board is a few years old, but i find its a great balance size-wise. big enough to get going sub 10kn but not too big to throw around like the door boards are.


Hay Kitcho...Is that the TT I had a ride on the other day....If it is its the bees knees....I would not have been out on my 12m switchy without it..Cheers again..

Billy


Yep thats the one.
no worries, any time.
have a good kite today with out me :(
cutch
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WA
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8 Jan 2014 5:19pm


Looks like the 2014 Turbine is out. Video review.
AllianceGear
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9 Jan 2014 2:41pm
Give the Naish fly or the Blade fat lady a look, both are good fun kites in light wind. Both of these kites are very lightweight and stay in the air easily when the wind drops off.
Board and technique play a major part of light wind kiting, best light wind board is the Naish Orbit for guys who prefer the twin tip style, its light as well!

Spend some time learning correct sheeting and you will be bale to kite in light winds without to much effort.


Kazan
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9 Jan 2014 4:29pm
cutch said..

Looks like the 2014 Turbine is out. Video review.


Ooh that looks like a nice light wind kite. What's the bladder like compared to other LEI? It looks rather "thin".

Thanks

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