Landing a 4 line kite on your own.

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belldiver
belldiver
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11 Nov 2013 11:35pm
Looks like ill be heading out on my own tomorrow and wondered the best way to land a 4 line kite on your own?? 5 line is easy 4 line???
NickT
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11 Nov 2013 9:53pm
Qr into the water and walk the flagging line to the kite is the safest way, otherwise it's been done to death in here so try searching. If there's somewhere to tether to use your leash on a post or towball hooked to your chicken loop, unhook, rest your kite on the edge of the wind then go collect it.

What kite you have might help also.
eezeegowin
eezeegowin
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11 Nov 2013 10:13pm
NickT said..

If there's somewhere to tether to use your leash on a post or towball hooked to your chicken loop, unhook, rest your kite on the edge of the wind then go collect it.


This works a treat for me, except one time where my chicken loop broke and I spend the next 20 min chasing my kite. Now I make sure that my safety leash is also attached to something, just in case.

belldiver
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12 Nov 2013 7:52am
I did a search but couldnt realy find anything?

Thanks for the tips but it will be a downwinder and on an open beach so nowhere to tether the kite to.
Phoney
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12 Nov 2013 10:12am
Is the flagging line one of your back lines? ie: not your steering lines
Justhanging
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Loftywinds
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12 Nov 2013 1:29pm
Phoney said..

Is the flagging line one of your back lines? ie: not your steering lines


It's the steering lines. But be careful. Flagging depower kites are old hat (pre 2007). All new models use central QR and depower on demand through the middle. Some even have above bar depower as a 3rd option.
Phoney
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12 Nov 2013 2:49pm
OK thanks. But if you're doing a self-rescue while in the water - pulling yourself up to the kite using one of the depower lines is safe, right?
belldiver
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12 Nov 2013 5:44pm
Thanks for the replies fellas.
I ended going with a mate so all good in the end.

I did try to self land a few times for practice but he was on it before I got it down. I al most had it and think I would get it if i had to.

Im using a 11m bandit, 6th.


My intention was to sit it on its edge and pull myself up the centre lines until it split and then pull on the highest front line to pull it over.
suface2air
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12 Nov 2013 6:54pm
^^^^ that's the way except take a couple of steps upwind as you start and remember nothing down wind from you for 2 line lengths . When you pull on the top line has to be a lot and fast , hand on qr if it don't work and if it dosnt wait for a big yank . Number one rule once you have that single front line in your hand don't let go or it will turn to &hit fast . Give it a pull then walk hand over hand till you get to your kite . Every kite is different so pratice it in lightish winds first . Some times when you pull on it the kite dosnt go down it will be unpowered so it might drift around even fly weird but no power in it so just keep going up the line .
NickT
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12 Nov 2013 7:48pm
Flagging line is the line or lines under tension after pulling the Qr
Jim621
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13 Nov 2013 8:29am
When i self land I let the kite settle on its edge, then unhitch the donkey d1ck from the harness. Grab the front lines and ensure the kite is still settled then drop the bar/chicken loop on the ground (your leash is still connected to the bar). Walk carefully up the front lines (enure you arent tangled in any of the lines) while holding and keeping tension in the front lines till you get to where it splits into the individual front lines - then take a step upwind while swiftly pulling the top front line. the kite should drop leading edge down in a safe position/
Worst case is the kite takes off while doing this, but since you have removed the chicken loop from your harness the kite will instantly flag.
Steve
Loftywinds
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14 Nov 2013 11:37am
NickT said..

Flagging line is the line or lines under tension after pulling the Qr


Yes on kites newer than 2008 I think. On older kites the flagging line is the one the safety leash is attached to being one of the steering lines. The problem with those is that the entire bar, chicken loop, etc fly off up towards the kite skidding along one of the steering lines until all the lines are slack bar one - the steering line hooked to your safety leash (from behind your harness), so there is still tension that lets the kite go into a death spiral and it could flag and flap all over the place - even flay back at you!
salt
salt
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16 Nov 2013 3:46pm
Not all kites have a single flagging line (stupid right). 4 line north bar DO NOT. Naish does however am sure lots do. So know your gear!

A single flagging line should be one line that runs all the way to kite unimpaired or connected to other centre line. It will always be on one side of you, so know which side and self land on the opposite side to the flagging line. That might not make sense so go have a chat with a pro at ur beach. Best thing to do is to go in for a self land, and pull the safety, it does the same thing, will park the kite.
bigtone667
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17 Nov 2013 7:28pm
Hi BD,

Thanks for that putting in that post/question.

I practised self-launching and self-landing all weekend on a 17m and 14m......
Quoting Johnny Cash, "I walk the line"
cauncy
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17 Nov 2013 8:47pm
bigtone667 said..

Hi BD,

Thanks for that putting in that post/question.

I practised self-launching and self-landing all weekend on a 17m and 14m......
Quoting Johnny Cash, "I walk the line"


I find johnny cash song HURT more appropriate
bigtone667
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18 Nov 2013 9:12am
cauncy said..

bigtone667 said..

Hi BD,

Thanks for that putting in that post/question.

I practised self-launching and self-landing all weekend on a 17m and 14m......
Quoting Johnny Cash, "I walk the line"


I find johnny cash song HURT more appropriate


absolutely!!!
Peterc150
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18 Nov 2013 1:23pm
Here is some more information on self landing: kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/progression/self-landing-kite

Note that it is an intermediate skill not without some danger. Make sure you try it first with an experienced kiter present.
shane75
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18 Nov 2013 4:25pm
I used Vimeo to watch a 3.51min video on self landing Delta's and Bow kites and it has worked well for me P.s. I fly 2011 bandit 4's
Wookie782
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18 Nov 2013 7:52pm
suface2air said..

^^^^ that's the way except take a couple of steps upwind as you start and remember nothing down wind from you for 2 line lengths . When you pull on the top line has to be a lot and fast , hand on qr if it don't work and if it dosnt wait for a big yank . Number one rule once you have that single front line in your hand don't let go or it will turn to &hit fast . Give it a pull then walk hand over hand till you get to your kite . Every kite is different so pratice it in lightish winds first . Some times when you pull on it the kite dosnt go down it will be unpowered so it might drift around even fly weird but no power in it so just keep going up the line .


yeah thats what i do, im not sure is its safe or not? i can imagine it going tits up. my kite flags out on both lines so quick releasing in the water is a pain, it always blows down wind of me and rolls
belldiver
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1 Dec 2013 9:52pm
Just to add to this thread, i had to self land today due to twisting my lines from a crash. I was using my 8m and wind was 18 to 23 knots.

Had the kite at the edge of the window and as i brought it down to the sand i found it very hard to keep it there as the kite would either bounce off the sand or simply just relaunch when i started to move up the lines. Once it took off and flew across the window I was able to step back regain control and start again.

The 2nd time i was at the point where the front lines split and it did it again. I admit at this point i didnt know what to do. I held the front line and the kite bounced across the sand and and ended half upside down. I kept a hold of that line and made my way to the kite and made it safe.

i think in hind sight, once you start making your way up the front lines you should remove your chicken loop so if the kite takes off like mine did at least it will flag?? Is this correct?

Is there anyway you can stop the kite bouncing on the sand?? Should you keep more tension on the bottom steering line??
bene313
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1 Dec 2013 8:16pm
^ Yes you steer the kite into the sand, tension the bottom steering line. Then walk upwind and pull on the top centre line to land the kite. There's a good AKS video showing the technique.
bene313
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belldiver
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1 Dec 2013 10:26pm
Cheers Ive seen that video and in light winds with my 11m its exactly like that and easy.

Today with 20 plus knots, that little 8m touches the sand and just jumps straight back into the air. It was virtually impossible to get it to sit on the sand?????
KiteBud
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1 Dec 2013 9:10pm
belldiver said..

Cheers Ive seen that video and in light winds with my 11m its exactly like that and easy.

Today with 20 plus knots, that little 8m touches the sand and just jumps straight back into the air. It was virtually impossible to get it to sit on the sand?????



Unhook, walk upwind walking upwind will stabilize your kite and make it 100 times easier to self-land it. The more windy it is, the more upwind you walk to stabilize the kite
Jim621
Jim621
WA
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2 Dec 2013 7:40am

belldiver said..
Just to add to this thread, i had to self land today due to twisting my lines from a crash. I was using my 8m and wind was 18 to 23 knots.

Had the kite at the edge of the window and as i brought it down to the sand i found it very hard to keep it there as the kite would either bounce off the sand or simply just relaunch when i started to move up the lines. Once it took off and flew across the window I was able to step back regain control and start again.

The 2nd time i was at the point where the front lines split and it did it again. I admit at this point i didnt know what to do. I held the front line and the kite bounced across the sand and and ended half upside down. I kept a hold of that line and made my way to the kite and made it safe.

i think in hind sight, once you start making your way up the front lines you should remove your chicken loop so if the kite takes off like mine did at least it will flag?? Is this correct?

Is there anyway you can stop the kite bouncing on the sand?? Should you keep more tension on the bottom steering line??




I suggested above this exact procedure you are trying to describe, and use it all the time myself:

Jim621 said..
Grab the front lines and ensure the kite is still settled then drop the bar/chicken loop on the ground (your leash is still connected to the bar). Walk carefully up the front lines (enure you arent tangled in any of the lines) while holding and keeping tension in the front lines till you get to where it splits into the individual front lines - then take a step upwind while swiftly pulling the top front line. the kite should drop leading edge down in a safe position.



Once you get to where the front lines split into the top and bottom front lines - you should be swiftly pulling about 2 or 3 meters of the top line to get the kite to tip towards you and land leading edge down in a neutral position.
The kite will bounce around on the sand, but so long as you are holding onto the front lines before they split into top and bottom front lines the kite should stay planted.
I think where you have gone wrong is trying to walk all the way up the front lines to the kite...this isnt possible because as you found out, once you get to where the front lines split you can only hold onto one line which will start steering the kite - which is not what you want to happen.
So remember - when you get to where the front line splits into two (top and bottom), you should swiftly pull 2meters to 3 meters of the top front line to get the kite to tip towards you and land leading edge down in a neutral position.

Steve
IanR
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2 Dec 2013 12:18pm
The most common mistake I see with people self landing is when they get to the Y in the front lines they pull the top line towards there face which makes the kite want to take off again. Pull the top line down towards your feet and upwind.
MrTwist
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2 Dec 2013 12:45pm

Thanks Ian, I think that is what I'm doing wrong, it works most of the time, but sometimes doesn't.
I think the key is to go more down rather than pulling in

KiteBud
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2 Dec 2013 9:53am
IanR said..

The most common mistake I see with people self landing is when they get to the Y in the front lines they pull the top line towards there face which makes the kite want to take off again. Pull the top line down towards your feet and upwind.



very true, other mistake is people don't unhook from the chicken loop first therefore when they screw up and let go of the lines, the kite is powering up sometimes directly in the power zone. Always Unhook from the chicken loop first, before climbing the center lines, therefore setting yourself up in safety mode if anything doesn't go as planned.
belldiver
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2 Dec 2013 2:29pm
Cheers jim and I did note you had said that. i hadn't dropped the chicken loop before.

I believe the reason i hadnt had to is i normally recover in water and the water sucks the kite down so it never seems to relaunch. Where as with sand there isnt any suction and the kite relaunches easily and that creates the problem.
Thanks Matt
MrTwist
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2 Dec 2013 5:00pm

I have never tried it with my chicken loop unhooked. What happens if things don't go to plan? Does the kite roll around on the beach in an arc across the wind window?

It seems to work fine in light winds staying hooked in, I haven't had to try it in stronger winds yet.



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