Newbie Self launch with Ground Anchor? DANGER?

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ToshAuer
ToshAuer
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
18 Sep 2013 9:42pm
Hi guys

I am just starting out and soon moving to a remote rural town in QLD so to get in the water will be a 2 hour drive. ( not that bigger deal to me as i currently drive 8 hours to work each way each week) but i have access to a large lake near where i will be living and figure if the wind is right i will be able to board there. Heres the kicker i havn't ever seen someone riding there so i doubt i will find someone to help launch the kite. I have been looking at kite mates and kite buddys and want to know the dangers associated with launching off one of these setups with only limited skill. Looks safe enough but im sure there is a bad side.

Cheers

Tosh
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
19 Sep 2013 12:26am
Use a tree if there are any around.
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
19 Sep 2013 4:43am
Yea something static is better Tree ,Fencepost ,Car Towbar if you can park close enough, screw in the ground self launchers are normally rated to about a half ton of sideways force though so I would doubt you'll have any dramas.
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
19 Sep 2013 9:36am
I use a stake and self launch all the time when land kiting as I am usually the only one around. It's not hard even in 20knots. It takes practice but it can be done. The stake I use came with my Ozone Octane, but you can get a good one and preferrably with a handle from most camping shops. Make sure it's the thickest and longest one you can find and get a rubber mullet to hammer it in. You may also need some strong rope to pull it off the ground, but I hardly needed to use it. Next hammer the stake at an angle with the head of the stake towards upwind, so it adds extra "grip" to the bar or chicken loop and does not pop out if the kite self launches! Oh and make sure the donkey dick is also wedged in for that extra grip. Move your kite to the edge of the wind window first (or park it there first in strong winds) and then race back, hook yourself in, and self launch! There are plenty of vids on utube on how to self launch anyway.
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
19 Sep 2013 8:32am
Here's a brainwave...

Why dont you go see a reputable school, pay for a lesson and spend 2 hrs self launching/landing..



It's ok, that advice was for free.
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
19 Sep 2013 11:20am
Hi ToshAuer. I personally don't much like the concept of launching my kite when I'm not attached to it. But i remember well the days of my first few times going out solo and am sure I would not have liked to have self launched/landed myself.

I think NoBS advice is spot on. I self-learned to launch and land a kite by copying what others did. There were some epic failures along the way, including getting dragged by along on my knees when the steering line got snagged round the kite.

Both are relatively easy, but are best practiced on a nice open beach ideally under instruction. There's no shame in it, and paying for an hour or two lessons to learn how to launch and land whilst attached is a lot cheaper than launching a kite that is not correctly tethered, and loosing the kite.

Whatever you do, take it easy for the first few until you're comfortable with the technique.

Good luck and enjoy!
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
19 Sep 2013 12:58pm
Be aware inland lakes are normally gusty as wind normally comes over hills/trees/etc.

Gusty wind on a self launch/land equates to kite hunting forwards and backwards, ie surging/flapping/drifting/rolling. Added danger.
angryphill
angryphill
QLD
65 posts
QLD, 65 posts
19 Sep 2013 4:42pm
NoBS said..

Here's a brainwave...

Why dont you go see a reputable school, pay for a lesson and spend 2 hrs self launching/landing..



It's ok, that advice was for free.


I agree with you here. Self launching is a crucial skill as there will be times when no one else is around. Its extremely easy even in higher winds.
ToshAuer
ToshAuer
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
19 Sep 2013 6:35pm
Hey guys I am taking lessons but as I will be doing this next to a lake on grass I don't like the idea of the kite sliding over grass and possibly sticks. Launching with a ground anchor seems to be safer on the gear. Correct me if I'm wrong.
makntracks
makntracks
QLD
132 posts
QLD, 132 posts
19 Sep 2013 6:38pm
BLUESCREW..
Thats what i was recommended and use.
fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
921 posts
NSW, 921 posts
19 Sep 2013 6:45pm
angryphill said..

NoBS said..

Here's a brainwave...

Why dont you go see a reputable school, pay for a lesson and spend 2 hrs self launching/landing..



It's ok, that advice was for free.


I agree with you here. Self launching is a crucial skill as there will be times when no one else is around. Its extremely easy even in higher winds.


Dont totally agree...
there are times ( alone ) when a tether launch is the only option,yes this depends on the area you launch from and the room and wind direction needed.
If launching standing on the shore with kite in water for example...a tether launch is much safer than a self drift launch.
I doubt an hrs lesson or even a two hr lesson will give you the confidence to self launch any where but in the perfect conditions on a beach.
Dont know about the kite launch systems but the Aussie wombat looks the goods.As far as tethering from a fence post make sure its solid and concreted in as it will pull out if kite climbs high still attached.
Any way thats my 5c worth
Cheers Billy
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
19 Sep 2013 6:55pm
Billy has a good point. Oh and Self drift launch,... I'd personally steer clear of that one for many many days... but i guess I might just be a massive big-girl's-blouse.

I guess I've always done self launch on a beach... and in my head, a lake in WA has nice sandy beaches with the occasional croc.

puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
20 Sep 2013 5:43pm
Definitely have to do the yards learning technique before trying it.
ypur instructor should be of huge benefit if you explain that self launching is going to be a regular option.

Re ground anchors. I have never seen one I would trust at all - ever.
The only thing to look at other than vehicles or solid fixed objects is a "Screw Anchor"
Sticks hammered in will never cut it. Dont even try it.
terminal
terminal
1421 posts
1421 posts
20 Sep 2013 6:24pm
ToshAuer said..

Hi guys

I am just starting out and soon moving to a remote rural town in QLD so to get in the water will be a 2 hour drive. ( not that bigger deal to me as i currently drive 8 hours to work each way each week) but i have access to a large lake near where i will be living and figure if the wind is right i will be able to board there. Heres the kicker i havn't ever seen someone riding there so i doubt i will find someone to help launch the kite. I have been looking at kite mates and kite buddys and want to know the dangers associated with launching off one of these setups with only limited skill. Looks safe enough but im sure there is a bad side.

Cheers

Tosh


Assuming there are no crocs....
If there is enough shallow water in the lake, I would put a permanent anchor in it and use that to launch the kite.

You can use concrete and it will cure underwater if you cant get another solid anchor.

Advantages are -
You are less likely to get injured in the water.
Its very easy on the kite - even if it tumbles downwind.
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