Newbie needs Opinion 10 or 12 kite size!

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prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
3 Aug 2014 2:33am
Hello all,

I took the courage to write a post since most of the kite googling research I have come into, its from this website! People look really friendly and ready to assist , so here it goes!

I almost done with my classes, had almost 7-8 hours of lessons last weekend and I was suppose to end my lessons this weekend with water start but the wind did not made us the favour! I currently live in Greece where theoretically we get fair amount of wind. Where I live and where I intend to kitesurf i suppose anywhere from 10-20 knots would be applicable most of the time.

I am male 80kg approximately, at 1.78, and my question is, shall i go for a 10, 11 or 12 kite ? My instructor told me 10 shall be fine, other people I have asked, told me go for 12 will be easier at start, but once u get good, 10 will be ideal. I thought let me go for 11 so i will be inbetween.

I found a very good deal from a guy whos selling all his gear almost brand new, (Airush DNA 2014 10m, with 1.38 x 42 board, belt, bag, pump etc) for 800 Euro. Which is a very good deal cause he only flew the kite 3 times. Furthermore thats what i was hoping to pay to get into the sport for a decent set of equipment. I intend to do a heavy research before i buy anything and thus that is why I am here.

I am not sure if the kite is good, but as far are reviews considered, they say its v good for a beginner. My question is, will I have a problem if I buy a 10 kite with my weight? If i get like 12, 13 knots will the kite be able to carry me? Will a 12 kite work better for 12 or 13 knots and is the performance that noticeable? My issue is that I am afraid I wont get that much of air and I will have to use a bigger kite. If I have to work my 10 kite more just to get me going at the end, I guess I can do that cause at the end of the day I will become better and I can buy something I found on a bargain but if not I guess will have to get an 11 or 12 just to be safe.

I would like to apologize for the wall of text, just my thought on the whole issue, cause I am trying to figure out what to do, and I have heard several opinions and I cant decide!

Thank you v much!
George
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
3 Aug 2014 4:48am
For 15-20 a 12m kite is the go.

For 10-15 a 17m kite is the go.


Don't expect to be going upwind in anything under 15 for some time.
Fruitloop
Fruitloop
NSW
42 posts
NSW, 42 posts
3 Aug 2014 9:19am
I'm 83kgs and I use a 12m for that wind range

plummet is right on the money
harlie
harlie
QLD
188 posts
QLD, 188 posts
3 Aug 2014 9:56am
IMO we only seem to focus on kite size.

What about board size and importantly board shape? 80kg riding a high rocker (6/7cm+) 128cm board will struggle to stay upwind with a 12m in 16/17kns. Give him a low rocker board of the same size and off he goes.

You can get away with a smaller kite if you are on a bigger board. At 80kg, a 12m will handle that wind range with two boards. 133-138 (depending on other factors like width & rocker) will handle 16+, in less you can ride a low rocker squarish shape in the 146+ size.

I'm 92kg, mate who I usually go kiting with is 78kg. We sometimes set up the exact same (brand, model and year) 12m kite and in 16/17kn, I can stay up wind easier than he can, skill set accounts for a bit, but it is nearly all due to board.

It is also easier to learn on a bigger board. If I was starting again, I would buy a light wind board & kite first. Then choose a normal size board when you’re up and running.
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
3 Aug 2014 8:22am
Thank u so much for youur responses

So u think a 12m kite is a must? should i consider an 11 m kite? and how about kites with high wind range? i want to be able to cover most circumstances with one kite if i am able. if i get a 12m now , i can get a 9m later on and have my 2 kites and cover most situations.

can i go like 11m kite with 138 board or even 140 and cover the difference? or 12 m kite is really needed for a beginner .
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
3 Aug 2014 8:46am
If these winds are what you get most of the time you'll need a bigger kite on a standard size board, big boards will help but are water condition dependant,ie a big flat board is ok in flatish water but in coastal conditions it'll bury it's nose unless ridden with a lot of Blackfoot pressure , around 10 knts isn't worth the time of day to learn, you need a kite with a bit of pull but with decent depower and relaunch, brand to brand differ massively on performance,do your research, look at what local guys are riding at your level or early beginners and weight,
KiwiDave
KiwiDave
VIC
192 posts
VIC, 192 posts
3 Aug 2014 11:07am
I reckon if you will ultimately want two kites then your first kite should be either a bit big or a bit small so that the ultimate pair of kites work well. i.e. go with the 12 with a view to getting a 9 in the future. If you buy an 11 now then what would you buy later?

That said I am a beginner, a bit heavier than you (92kg with a 12m kite). If anything I wish I had gone with a 13 or a 14 and I can see that in the future if I keep my 12 then I will have to buy not only a 9 but also a 14 or a 15.


prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
3 Aug 2014 9:17am
Okay Ur right 12 it is then for starters! will start researching today! with what board size?

is there a possibility i can get a few unbiased recommendations on kite brand and model? i mean there has to be few models that really are benchmarks for their territories! thank u so much appreciating all the help i am getting!
harlie
harlie
QLD
188 posts
QLD, 188 posts
3 Aug 2014 12:50pm
IMO, all the big brands have a good allrounder suitable for learning. Go with a brand that has good support in your local area, get advice from the school.
KiwiDave
KiwiDave
VIC
192 posts
VIC, 192 posts
3 Aug 2014 1:19pm
I like my Airush DNA and they seem to be well priced.
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
3 Aug 2014 1:55pm
Lets face it. There's not one magic kite to rule then all.

The reason your instructor said 10m is because 10m is usually most peoples most used size. It will do 16-26 knots which is the sweet winds that most people kite in.


But 16-18 yourl be undergunned and need skill to stay upwind.

A 12 makes sense when kiting in 15-20. You have the grunt you need to stay upwind when learn..... But when it pulls past 20 you will be overpowered for your skill level. .... ahhhhh.

No matter what you do you will need more and more kites and boards to get your addicted arse out in a wider ranger of conditions.
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
3 Aug 2014 2:50pm
If i get the bargain deal including everything at 800 euro with airush dna 10m and i find an old used 12m 2011 or 2012 just to get me going and learning upwind would that be wise?
Cause the money i require to find a new / used but v good condition 12m 2013+ kite plus all other equipment will be a lot more than 800 euro i think.

KiterBen
KiterBen
SA
161 posts
SA, 161 posts
3 Aug 2014 4:50pm
Get a 10m you'll wish you got a 12m get a 12m you'll wish you got a 10m. Over powered is heaps better than under powered though.
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
3 Aug 2014 4:15pm
KiterBen said..
Get a 10m you'll wish you got a 12m get a 12m you'll wish you got a 10m. Over powered is heaps better than under powered though.


ye unfortunately thats the case with me! i am sure this will happen when i buy the kites hahahhaha!

okay okay last question i promise. if u had to choose between 12 and 9 and 12 and 10 which combo would u choose? taking into consideration the bargain I have found but ultimately the kite experience. i mean if 12 with 9 is better i guess I will have to search for other bargains.

thank you thank you thank you
KiterBen
KiterBen
SA
161 posts
SA, 161 posts
3 Aug 2014 5:51pm
I have a 9 12 quiver and that does me at 95 kkegs in 18 to 35 knots. I used to just have 1 kite a 10m which did me from 20 to 30 knots. 10 and 12 are to close together.
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
3 Aug 2014 4:36pm
KiterBen said..
I have a 9 12 quiver and that does me at 95 kegs I'm 18 to 35 knots. I used to just have 1 kite a 10m which did me from 20 to 30 knots. 10 and 12 are to close together.


ty appreciated!
windreams
windreams
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
3 Aug 2014 8:55pm
KiterBen said..
I have a 9 12 quiver and that does me at 95 kkegs in 18 to 35 knots. I used to just have 1 kite a 10m which did me from 20 to 30 knots. 10 and 12 are to close together.


Agree with KiterBen, when I first started I wish someone had have told me to be slightly overpowered than under. I’d go 12, 9...
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
3 Aug 2014 8:18pm
cmon guys a 12 in 10 to 20 knts, he,ll be wasting his money, when someone mentions windspeed max and mins its generally always around the midway mark ,with the occasional day in the upper ranges, ive been kiting a long while and found myself undercooked yesterday at 15knts on a 12 high powered kite, a beginner doesn't know how to kite in low winds, ive given lessons to a fair few people and every one has done the same thing whilst starting and this is why I use a bigger slow reacting kite with more pull than a marginal kite , I used to be over cautiouse giving lessons, with constant relaunches kite retreavals and little progress, on a more powered slower turning kite people have progressed much quicker, you need a good bottom end kite with good depower, if we had those winds and you were a local on my beach id be recommending a kite above the sizes mentioned, as you progress youll become more power hungry so that 10mtr kite will be quickly replaced by a bigger kite and a smaller board, however if you kite in a certain water condition which hasn't been mentioned you may need more or a lesser powered kite, in chop and surf type conditions you can wipe a few knots off your boards and kites bottom end bottom end, if however your blessed with perfect flat water everythings on your side
KiterBen
KiterBen
SA
161 posts
SA, 161 posts
3 Aug 2014 10:38pm
Totally agree with the above. If the winds to light for a 12 go fishing or get your jobs done and kite when it's windy.
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
3 Aug 2014 9:22pm
I didnt quite understand what ur saying. I cant find higher than 12 that easily and i thought 12 would be fantastic for a start at these knots
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
3 Aug 2014 9:48pm
prastis said..
I didnt quite understand what ur saying. I cant find higher than 12 that easily and i thought 12 would be fantastic for a start at these knots


if you were a local and we had the mentioned 10 min to 20 max id be giving you something like a zephyr on a 135 board, the new big kites are a very refined , good bottom, great top end , easy relaunch above 10knts, have you been reading manufacturers graphs on user ranges ? if so add a few knts to the bottom and top ends as this is more realistic, its your decision at the end of the day don't be forced into brand or kite size, you might have to sit the 20 knt days in your early progression but around 12 to 18 will have you getting time on the water
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
4 Aug 2014 7:26am
cauncy said..

prastis said..
I didnt quite understand what ur saying. I cant find higher than 12 that easily and i thought 12 would be fantastic for a start at these knots



if you were a local and we had the mentioned 10 min to 20 max id be giving you something like a zephyr on a 135 board, the new big kites are a very refined , good bottom, great top end , easy relaunch above 10knts, have you been reading manufacturers graphs on user ranges ? if so add a few knts to the bottom and top ends as this is more realistic, its your decision at the end of the day don't be forced into brand or kite size, you might have to sit the 20 knt days in your early progression but around 12 to 18 will have you getting time on the water


Spot on Cauncy. That wind range is about the exact min and max knots we get up here in the dry tropics, and I imagine Greece especially in the islands are very similar.
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
5 Aug 2014 3:09am
Appreciating all the help .

thank you very much for your input!
CodeRed
CodeRed
NSW
58 posts
NSW, 58 posts
6 Aug 2014 12:03am
that 800 euro deal is an absolute bargain.
with the money you save get a King Gee 150 x 50 and your 10 will get you out in 12-13 kts (favorable current prevailing)
Board size is as important as kitesize (width and rocker included)
So I agree with harlie up to a point, which is, some big flat rectangle boards only go underneath big kites. The north spike for
example, pearls under an 11m where as the King Gee doesn't, which opens up a whole new wind speed for you to kite in with
only the one kite.
You can also spend $40 on some 5m line extensions and use these on LW days with your KG .
More than one way to skin an apple m8, have fun
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
6 Aug 2014 7:46pm
I got a phone call from a friend this morning, telling me , that a friend of his is selling all his gear almost unused including everything, but the kite is Naish Helix 2010 12m. is it worth considering this offer or 2010 kite is way too old although its almost unused? maybe used once or twice. the price is like 450-500 euro for all. which is pretty low
windreams
windreams
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
7 Aug 2014 6:49pm
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/2010-naish-helix-12m/

This thread might help but I have no idea of what improvements were added since 2010...
CodeRed
CodeRed
NSW
58 posts
NSW, 58 posts
8 Aug 2014 6:21pm
prastis said..
I got a phone call from a friend this morning, telling me , that a friend of his is selling all his gear almost unused including everything, but the kite is Naish Helix 2010 12m. is it worth considering this offer or 2010 kite is way too old although its almost unused? maybe used once or twice. the price is like 450-500 euro for all. which is pretty low



m8, i've no idea how a helix flies. I never flew one or knew anyone with one. What I do know about them is that they are a dime a dozen, about $150-250 with bar over here. 450Eu - you gotta be kidding.
M8 get the Dna, Spend an extra 200 on a cheap old 13m (gaasta's are good and should be cheap over there) or get a big arse TT with a little rocker and you'll be good to go from 13 to 23 kts just about anywhere bro.
Forget the helix at that price, tell him he's dreaming!
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