Right of way in line-up

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LostDog
LostDog
WA
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WA, 445 posts
23 Sep 2014 1:24pm
Ok, so I've spent a few seasons mowing the lawn and building some confidence.
Got a SB near the end of last season and am hoping to start using it more this season.
In the past I kept out of everyone's way since I know I can be a nuisance at my level, but this year I'm keen to give the SB a good go and I need to understand the rules regarding the line-up in surf.

Is there anywhere that I can read these?

PS: Found this...
www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/Right-of-Way-Rules_903070.aspx

Feel free to add to it if needed.
Plummet
Plummet
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23 Sep 2014 2:32pm
Assuming cross, cross on, cross off.

*Work your way upwind to the point where you can jump on a swell and ride it to the pocket.
*Select a suitable sized swell and claim it by turning on to it. (make sure no one else has already claimed it) Also make sure you can get to the pocket and your not too far down wind.
*Ride the swell till it jacks up and breaks.
*Then surf your aarrrse down the line like a legend.
*Turn off the wave when yourve had enough and tack back up wind outside of the impact zone.
*If someone is ripping on a wave as your going out. Get out of the way so you don't interrupt their run.

Repeat.

If possible select the last or second to last wave on a big set. Its usually the cleanest and you wont go through the washing machine to many times if you stuff up.

PS I'm usually too greedy and take the first wave I see... hehehehe. Makes for some interesting close outs in monster surf.
Main
Main
QLD
2338 posts
QLD, 2338 posts
25 Sep 2014 10:07am
take some time and watch the pattern the guys on surfboards are following.

give way to guys that are on the waves.

don't launch off the beach and assume you have right of way over guys that are already on waves out in front of you

don't mow the lawn on a twin tip through the middle of the guys surfing - rather move down the beach a bit...


Plummet
Plummet
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25 Sep 2014 3:16pm
Main said..


don't mow the lawn on a twin tip through the middle of the guys surfing - rather move down the beach a bit...




But If your on a twin tip and you want to have a go in the line up then claim your wave and go. The style of board you ride doesn't dictate whether you have preference or not.
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
29 Sep 2014 11:03am
There are no real "official" rules for kitesurfing but the IKO has put out a bunch of it's prefered practices and they are, in order of priority.

1. Swimmer's, surfer's, beach walker's have right of way. As a kiter you are captaining a powered craft, so the basic's of marine law apply to you here.

2. The guy on the beach has priority over everyone. According to the IKO this is because he could get lofted and land on terra firma where everyone else is in the water. I agree with this in a legal respect but in a practical day to day sense, it does not often work.

if this guy leave's his kite at 12, like a complete dork, then everybody has to tack back or lose momentum to pass this dude. Leaving your kite lollying around at 12 is a pain in the kite butt to everyone else in just about every kiting senario.
Whether approaching the shore on the end of a run or catching a wave you want someone in this position to dip their kite away from you.
I have even gone to rescue TT's for dudes who flew their kite straight at mine preventing me from helping them. Common courtesy dictates that you should dip your kite away from the other's even if you are on land. Local topographic's may prevent this in cetain place's but 99 time's out of 100 you should give way if you are making ready to launch. Think if you were lining up a backroll kiteloop transish only to see a dude's kite on the beach right on your line...you won't rush out to hook up a downwinder with that dude now will you.

Not dipping your kite for an approaching rider to pass is IMO one of the more annoying facets of some "buddy's" kiting styles, and it can and does lead to kite tangles. So dip your kite away from any kiter approaching from a dominant position unless you are confident of passing them upwind.

3. Kiter on the wave has priority. To Starboard or Port, doesn't matter, goofy, natural, left, right, in a tube doing a headstand, strapped, unstrapped, TT, SB, doesn't matter. Guy\Girl on the wave has the right of way. Assume your right or make your way down\up wind away from them. I totally agree with IKO on this one.

4. Starboard tack has the right of way. This is just marine ruling that we all follow for ease of use.

Hope this help's.
As I mentioned it's only rules suggested by the IKO, they are not law, except maybe the 1st & last one, so that probably messes up the order I have listed. But that's the IKO. They have their own way of doing things, some good, some less than good.
My opinion's about point # 2 are just that, opinion's, but u get that.
have fun
ActionSportsWA
ActionSportsWA
WA
1007 posts
WA, 1007 posts
2 Oct 2014 5:44pm
Hey Lostdog,

Good onya for asking the question rather than blazing out and creating havoc. There is usually a "rotation" going on, join the rotation. Look at the waves and see where the peak is, it will then break along a direction depending upon swell direction and sandbank/reef shape. You want to be just "in the pocket" (right in the steepest section of the wave closest to the foamy breaking bit). As Plummet said, shred to your heart's content. You can also ride upwind if the direction and wave break allows it, although your ability to bottom turn and smack it will be greatly reduced as you drag the kite upwind with you.

General rule is one rider per wave. Exceptions to the rule is if one rider is going right and the other going left of the peak. Other exception is if the downwind rider is far enough away as to not interrupt the upwind rider. Leave plenty of room if trying this on as I'd expect at the very least, 50m free space downwind of me if I was being "dropped in on".

"Dropping in" is taking off on a wave already claimed by another rider and can include upwind but more specifically downwind of the peak. In short, anything which may hinder the original riders course or ride. Don't do this unless you have more than enough room not to be a problem. Remember to expect the upwind rider to start "bombing" down the line at a rate of knots ( a small 50m gap can be closed in seconds).

"Short tacking" refers to people who don't follow the "rotation" or "flow" of the location and cut onto a wave on the inside. This can be fine if there i a couple of waves unridden and you won't interfere with the riders on the way in or out, but doing it all the time will get you a bad reputation.

The "rotation" is like Plummet explained, you kite back out of the wave zone generally downwind of the other riders and continue out until the last rider going out in front of you has turned on to a wave. Once they have turned, you have priority on the next waves. You can wait for a set, or gybe and ride the wave in. If it fats out and gives you nothing, you can turn and go back out, but don't queue jump or short tack other riders who have gone further out and waited longer. Also beware of the riders on the wave behind you. Go downwind and rejoin the rotation.

It's all a matter of courtesy, sharing the waves and making sure both you, and the other riders get your fair share.

Here is a bonus tip: Smile and share the aloha out there, it goes a long way. If you happen to turn onto a wave that another rider also turns onto upwind of you both at the same time, he may "call you off", in which case you should immediately turn off the wave and get out of the way.

If you crash and lose your board, body drag straight to the beach unless out the back, as the waves will most likely have the board at the beach well before you can get there. Don't body drag back and forth through the riding wave zone, it's really bad form. The idea is to keep the wave zone clear for others to enjoy, so if you have issues with equipment or whatever, get out of the way to fix them.

Have fun and don't become a tool, the surf contains enough of them already. It's all about fun and progressing your riding. No one owns the waves, no one has more right to them than anyone else. Just fit in and go with the flow and all will be good. It's a learning curve like anything else in this sport, don't expect to dominate on day one, and allow yourself time to learn by your mistakes.

Hope this helps,

DM
LostDog
LostDog
WA
445 posts
WA, 445 posts
3 Oct 2014 2:11pm
Hey all, thanks for the contributions, on here and the PM's.

Question regarding short-tacking:
If I have to head out further than others to gain ground (upwind) and turn back in not necessarily in the original 'order' or 'que', have I then short-tacked someone who was originally behind me in the que?


Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
3 Oct 2014 2:43pm
No. The person furtherest out claims the swell. People closer in have to yield to your superior wave selection.

If there is a guy that is already riding the swell back and you tack on to it upwind of him then I guess you a short tacking.

ActionSportsWA
ActionSportsWA
WA
1007 posts
WA, 1007 posts
4 Oct 2014 12:46pm
Hi Lostdog,

Short tacking can be as explicit as suggested by Plummet, but it can also be more the fact that you are taking way more than your share of the waves. In essence, you are being a cheeky wave piggy, hogging everything you can get on. This tends to rub people the wrong way. No one will mind if you grab the occasional one on the inside with a short tack, so long as you aren't interfering with anyone elses riding, but just making a pig of yourself is bad form.

Sharing is caring man, slot in, feel the local vibe, get with the circuit and everyone has a great day. If you feel you have had plenty and maybe more than your share, there is no better way to win friends than by calling in someone else who maybe hasn't had a good run. Hoot their wave and grab another yourself. Upset the apple cart and it can be a very solitary kind of session with people shooting daggers at you on the beach afterwards.


DM
cauncy
cauncy
WA
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4 Oct 2014 11:09pm
Had a pretty heated exchange at my local a coupe of years back, on a normal day it's pretty average and I'm no wave purist, but we always give way to whoever is on the wave, if you've worked your way onto it we just bear downwind and make our way out the back, nothing gives me the ****s more than some one coming across your path as they carnt be arse making their way upwing to the wave, just spoke with a mate on his return from gnarloo who said it was a **** fight
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
5 Oct 2014 6:56pm
On the safety side of things. The guy on the wave face is in the most dangerous position compared to a guy riding out.
In big surf, lets say head high white wash. You can be locked into your line. Ride the direction you are going or get swallowed by the churning monster next to you.
FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
657 posts
WA, 657 posts
11 Oct 2014 1:08pm
cauncy said..
Had a pretty heated exchange at my local a coupe of years back, on a normal day it's pretty average and I'm no wave purist, but we always give way to whoever is on the wave, if you've worked your way onto it we just bear downwind and make our way out the back, nothing gives me the ****s more than some one coming across your path as they carnt be arse making their way upwing to the wave, just spoke with a mate on his return from gnarloo who said it was a **** fight



Be aware that windsurfers have different right of way rules they follow in waves... the guy going out has right of way, the sailor on the wave needs to keep clear.

Once out back, normal port and starboard rules apply.

This is down to the fact that windsurfers usually have less speed (marginal planing) and manoeuvrability when going out through the surf.

In the situations where kites and windsurfers are in the waves together it's best if everyone plays nicely together - everyone tries to ensure that the guy on the wave has a clear run at it, but you might need to go around a windsurfer coming out.


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