Self Rescue

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stan1169
stan1169
32 posts
32 posts
15 Jan 2016 2:05pm

Just watched a couple of video's on self resue. One said wind the centre line until you reached the bar and then wind all lines together around the bar until you reach the kite ..... the second video said to wind the centre line around the bar and continue with centre line only until you get to the kite and then wind the other lines around the bar.
Which one is correct? Thanks.
philmb
philmb
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
15 Jan 2016 3:17pm
Personally id wind all the lines up. Saves you getting tangled up in the lines as your treading water making your way to the kite.
windywander
windywander
WA
59 posts
WA, 59 posts
15 Jan 2016 3:23pm
It does not show up when looking at seabreeze from a mobile, but I think there is a link on the desktop version to a self rescue comparison thread.

I guess the correct answer is whatever you were taught and practised and are confident with?

I was taught roll centre lines then all lines, then get to kite make a sail and get to shore. But I know lots of people use a different combination.

If you understand your safety system what you are aiming to do is make sure kite cannot fly, them safely getting to kite. I choose to avoid having any loose lines in the water around me.

Waves, strong winds and other factors will also help you choose your method. In a safe situation put your kite in the water and give it a practise run.

Stay safe.
snapback
snapback
70 posts
70 posts
15 Jan 2016 5:35pm
i wrap the 5th or sfs safety line around the bar a few times to ensure it doesn't get through again --> kite would regain power and evt loop. not so cool if you are rolling the lines.

when all is secure i wrap all the lines together till i'm near the kite
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
15 Jan 2016 8:19pm
Hi stan1169,

It's good to see you're interested in learning the most poorly taught skill of kiteboarding: self- rescue. If you already had professional lessons, you *should* already be fully competent at this, meaning you had at least one chance to practice it during your lesson, alone, in deep water...If you didn't then you should simply go back and get a free lesson on practical self-rescue or ask to get your money back.

Chances are, like most people who paid for lessons, that you either never done it in your lessons or simply had a demonstration of it, which is obviously not enough.

All self-rescue videos you see Online where people are wrapping their lines are done in low to very low winds. To do this safely you obviously need to wrap your safety line around the bar and secure it correctly to the bar first, ensuring you have a well flagged out kite and a safety system that actually works.

In a fairy tale world, you would obviously like to have all your lines neatly wrapped around the bar for any self-rescue in any situation/wind conditions. The reality is unfortunately very different. Wrapping your lines gets exponentially harder (and more dangerous) as the wind increases...this starts to be difficult even in as little as 15 knots, so you can imagine what it's like in 20 knots...25 knots, etc.

Of course most videos, most instructors and most people on this forum will say: ''yeah, just wrap your lines''...as if there is nothing to it. Well, my best advice is: get out there the next time it's more than 20 knots and give it a try...then come back and comment about your experience.

If you can use your kite as sail and the winds are fairly strong, you are wasting your time wrapping your lines. Simply follow the safety line hand-over-hand, all the way to the kite (no need to secure it around the bar) and then use the kite as a sail. Worried about lines? Here's the secret: don't kick your feet at all, don't swim at all, you will have very few tangles. This method of course takes the right technique and tuition. If done correctly it's simply the quickest, safest and most useful self-rescue technique you will ever learn and be able to repeat many times. We teach this method in our school every day with all students with 100% success rate, no matter the wind conditions. If you're still worried about lines floating around when you get to the kite, then simply sit on your kite, grab the bar and wrap the lines around the bar in any way you like. It won't be pretty but you won't have any lines laying around and you would've got to your kite in a few seconds instead of a few minutes.

However, if you can't use your kite as sail, i.e. kite is punctured, wind is off-shore or died off completely, then wrapping your lines is MUCH better idea, and would be easy (and safe) to do if no wind or kite is punctured. In those scenarios you will most likely be rescued by a boat or have to swim long distances to the shore, in which case you wouldn't want to have line laying around.

During the Xmas holidays I noticed a guy getting in trouble and starting to wrap his lines in 30-35 knots...he most likely did something wrong during the process of wrapping his lines and the kite started to loop indefinitely, dragging him back on land. He was just getting smashed on the sand yelling for help. I kited back to shore, got to him and had to release the kite entirely from him as he was too much in shock to release his own kite and just begging for help...

There are simply too many steps involved in wrapping your lines safely for most newbies to be able to replicate it safely and efficiently in the real world after having had only a simple demonstration from the instructor...especially in strong winds.

Wrapping your lines in such strong winds successfully, safely and quickly would put you in the Expert category and you would need many hours of training to be able to achieve this. Even I can't do this in strong winds and I'm the certified instructor.... you can read about my experiment here: www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Self-rescue-experiment-methods-comparison/ and of course the debate that follows.

After 6 years of teaching/kiting almost every windy day, I yet haven't seen anyone easily and successfully wrap their lines and sail back to the shore in strong winds at my local beach, which is deep water, often side-shore winds and 20-25 knots+ most good days.

In summary, it doesn't really matter which method you choose to self-rescue, what really matters is that you are actually competent at it and able to get yourself out of trouble in various conditions/scenarios.

Christian
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