Tips on flying a kite in lighter winds

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rockykite
rockykite
VIC
62 posts
VIC, 62 posts
4 Mar 2015 10:44am
I've been having a bit of trouble with flying my kite in lighter winds (~15knots).
It's as if I have to keep fighting with the kite to keep it up in the air. Is there any tips on flying in lighter winds??
Thanks
shred
shred
WA
63 posts
WA, 63 posts
4 Mar 2015 9:39am
Always trickier in marginal conditions. Keep the kite moving and avoid over sheeting. Pulling the bar in too much can choke the power out of the kite, stalling it. Some kites fly better than others in light air. (Size, shape and weight of kite have a big impact)
Greggor
Greggor
QLD
191 posts
QLD, 191 posts
4 Mar 2015 11:44am
Use a Core 19m, pulls like a truck and your overpowered in 15knots
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
4 Mar 2015 12:55pm
I don't know what kite you're on but most kites from 2013 on will easily fly down to 10kts.
in any case, if ur on a 12m or less, then sub - 15 is when you should be thinking about learning
how to loop. when the wind is fading, drop your board off and stand in the water and swing
your kite to the edge of the window. If it's real light, it will start to drop to the surface, this is
when you pull the loop. do this b4 it gets too close, or it will hit the surface. do this a few times,
walk back up the beach & repeat.

If you know a bit about "sand-skiing", for want of a better term, then, fly your kite like this from
the soft sand. make sure the wind is straight side shore & that there r zero obstacles down the
beach & work out which way to rotate ur bar to untwist lines per left or right loops.
plenty of info here on seabreeze on how to loop. just google how to loop a kite & seabreeze
just remember, for now, stick to below 15kts & go for it. when you're lit or over lit, u don't need
loops for most tricks or moves, though it can be a handy thing to know
Brohan
Brohan
VIC
528 posts
VIC, 528 posts
4 Mar 2015 2:44pm
Try to keep your kite moving at all times, if your walking up the beach move your kite between 11 and 1. When your out on the water I find that if I sheet in when your kites going from 12 to 3 and sheet out on the way back up it goes okay, sometimes you just need to build up speed to get going.
snalberski
snalberski
WA
858 posts
WA, 858 posts
4 Mar 2015 12:46pm
The main thing seems to be having a lighter touch. If the wind/power drops sheet out and allow the kite to fully fill with air. Never let the kite hit the water.
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
QLD, 2070 posts
4 Mar 2015 7:06pm
Like Brohan said...

In light wind, when your kite gets near the edge of the wind window it can loose power & become (feel) sluggish/un-responsive - even fall out of the sky. To help reduce this happening, keep your kite moving by constantly turning your kite through the power zone. (In light wind initiate the turn way before your kite gets near the edge of the window).

Once your up & riding, edging your board & constantly turning your kite will help keep your kite in the power zone.

Also try sheeting in on the down stroke & out on the up stroke, eventually you will get a feel for it - it just takes practice.

Good luck
patto1987
patto1987
NSW
194 posts
NSW, 194 posts
4 Mar 2015 9:26pm
Get into the habit of down looping when the kite gets too far out to the edge of the window to bring it back into the middle of the window and back up towards 12...
rockykite
rockykite
VIC
62 posts
VIC, 62 posts
12 Mar 2015 3:34pm
Thanks for the tips. More specifically, I use a core xr3. The problem is when I water start, I power the kite through the power zone which pulls me onto the board, but I find it hard to bring the kite back up to start sining, even though I'm sheeting out and im turning the bar hard. Sometimes the kite even drops down through the window and hits the water
Ive checked the length of my lines and they're all even.
Any suggestions??
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
12 Mar 2015 12:51pm
Hey Rockykite, it's good that you checked your lines and that they are even.

They key tip in low wind to get going is to have your kite at 45' when you first get up on the board and not dive it too close to the water. To do this you need to start diving your kite from the opposite side of the wind window and stop the kite earlier before it gets too low.

For example if you take off on your left side, bring the kite to 1:30 then send it hard towards the left and stop the kite around 10 / 10:30 on the left side. As soon as you get off the water bring the kite back up to 11:30 (not 12) and sheet the bar out a bit (not all the way out) then re-dive the kite aggressively again but no lower than 10. Continue to sine the kite up and down until you build sufficient speed.

If you are trying in winds that are too light and no one else around you is kiting then you might just be wasting your time in the first place, although it's good practice for kite control.

So yeah in summary, move the kite from the opposite side of the window, don't pull the bar all the way in, sheet out a bit up on the upstroke, and sheet back in on the downstroke and the golden rule is don't dive your kite too close to the water, ever.

Christian
flyingcab
flyingcab
VIC
942 posts
VIC, 942 posts
12 Mar 2015 4:11pm
As the other guys said, keep the kite moving, let the bar out when the kite is climbing and pull it in when you are turning the kite.
I find it the best spot to keep the kite is to let the bar out until it starts fluttering, then pull it back in about 3 cm to stop the fluttering. This way you can be sure the wind is flowing over the kite perfectly.
Also if you are backstopping it heaps, pull a little de-power on.
rockykite
rockykite
VIC
62 posts
VIC, 62 posts
12 Mar 2015 4:25pm
Thanks for the tips guys.
Its more or less 15 knots I'm having difficulty with, so the wind is sufficient enough I would have thought especially with a 12m. And there are other kite surfers around happily surfing which definitely indicates the problem is with the operator
Taking off on the left, I was diving the kite to about 9 actually(just before it hitting the water) , so ill put the above theory into practice next time I'm out.
Thanks again.
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
12 Mar 2015 6:11pm
The key to light wind kiting upwind is board speed and apparent wind in the kite.

Kites gain power with speed. The faster you go the more power the kite has.

The newbie tries to crank to high upwind at a board speed that is too slow.

So... Go faster. Aim down wind ish. crank some speed. slowly edge to cross wind then a little bit upwind. NOT MUCH UP WIND THOUGH!!!!.

Concentrate of going fast.

The second issue newbies have is choking the kite with too much bar in.... That makes you go slower!!!. Let the bar out until you find that magic spot of just enough power and speed. Then you will be going upwind.....

If your board skills are good and your board is big enough and there isn't too much current and the chop doesn't slow you down much. You might go upwind.

To be honest. Give up trying to stay upwind sub 15knots on a 12m for some time. Its difficult and guys with years of experience struggle.
Understand that 16 -20 knots is the winds you shpuld be aiming to go upwind it.

If you want to hunt sub 15. Get a big board 145x45+ and a 17m kite.




gcdave
gcdave
534 posts
534 posts
12 Mar 2015 6:17pm
Finally...someone said something about board control

Keep ur board speed up in light winds and the rest will become apparent
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
18 Mar 2015 12:41pm
rockykite said..
Thanks for the tips. More specifically, I use a core xr3. The problem is when I water start, I power the kite through the power zone which pulls me onto the board, but I find it hard to bring the kite back up to start sining, even though I'm sheeting out and im turning the bar hard. Sometimes the kite even drops down through the window and hits the water
Ive checked the length of my lines and they're all even.
Any suggestions??


Yeah that's a common issue when kiting in sub 15knots, especially in the tropics where the winds are less dense (less force)

Here are two of my tips that works for me...

[1] Pull the depower strap about an inch or two each time you water start and notice how much more wind the kite catches being lower in the power zone. If you have the kite fully powered it can stall out of the sky. Keeping it slightly more downwind, catches more wind and hence more power

[2] Get a larger board. I find light wind riding is very doable on 142cm or more sized boards. I have a 168cm board, more like a surfboard and I can ride in 10knots. I weigh 82kg and use a 14mt kite (again these are the tropics, so you may get away with kites slightly smaller and different brands).

Twin tip riding on light winds really comes down to skill, board size, kite size and of course wind. It's actually harder to kite surf in light winds than it is in stronger winds because there is a lot more you have to consider to keep yourself powered.

One other tip I suggest, or has been suggested above, is to fly the kite static (without the board) and test the pull when you power dive the kite. If it does NOT yank you enough to at least be able to be dragged on the surface (and I mean really dive the kite as hard as you can), then there is little chance you'll get up on a twin tip. Foils and race boards, that's again another story.

tomme
tomme
VIC
475 posts
VIC, 475 posts
19 Mar 2015 10:20pm
gcdave said..
Finally...someone said something about board control

Keep ur board speed up in light winds and the rest will become apparent


i see what you did there :D

Important part is balancing board and kite, i think hadlow has done a piece in one of the progression vids about timing and how to balance kite/board.

i find generating power from the kite and getting speed up ( a bit down wind) then slowly bearing off once speed and apparent wind has been built up. If your in melb happy to have a chat and show you if you like
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