What would you choose 10m vs 11m

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prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
6 Sep 2014 4:59pm
Hello guys,

I am really struggling to decide the size of the kite I should purchase, I am 1.76 , 80kg and I intend to kite around 13-25 knots areas.

I started with the idea of a 12m kite but as soon as I decided I will go with a 2014-2015 rally I said, 12m will be too much for me since of its power, and the extra fabric which these year models have and their incredible wind range and low end and I should drop to 10. I found 2 deals for 2014, 10m and 12m, and in less than 24hours the 10m got sold so I decided to check the 2015 line.

So, 2015 10 vs 11m. The way I see it,

10m = In theory, if the fabric its like last year, this should be a 10.5m kite, it will be faster than the 11m but I am not sure if i will understand the difference since I am a complete beginner, it will cost less, AND THEORETICALLY i guess it should cover me around say 13 KNOTS? i know this can be wrong but everyone says rally 10m has an incredible low end and I am not sure how to inter pretend it in terms of knots.

11m = The 11m should be a machine between the 10m and the 12m which is optimal, since at the first place I couldnt decide between the 10 and 12. It will have greater hang time than the 10m for sure, but it will cost more, it will have for sure higher low end, which I am not certain if in reality there is a real difference, IT WILL BE SLOWER but again I am not sure by how much.

I overthink too much and I cant decide.

I have decided to drop the idea of the 12m kite since for this specific model, 10m and 11m will be a lot more fun for me, and will cover me fully in terms of power and wind range at my weight.

I have sent slingshot an email to tell me if the extra fabric which the 2014 models had, it applies to the 2015 ones as well which I think it is the same.

This is the wind chart supposingly for 2015 models. I heard somewhere that slingshot just to be safe does not over exaggerate their wind ranges, but again, I tend to think this isnt valid, since most companies should exaggerate on their wind ranges, since its a marketing thing right?





the three variables which bother me trully is the low end, turning speed, and hang time

Thank you in advance.

Yours sincerely,
George
nigelw2
nigelw2
VIC
237 posts
VIC, 237 posts
6 Sep 2014 8:40pm
Hi George
The difference in 1m isn't that much, 10m will be better one day, 11m the next.
More important is the big picture of your preferred quiver. Buy the one that suits the other kites you plan to end up with!
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
6 Sep 2014 7:32pm
Hey there and thank you, yes I have thought of this. My original plan was a 12 and 9. If i go with the 10 i will buy a 12 one maybe later on. If i buy a 11 i will buy 9 or 8 so I think the 11/9 or 11/8.5 might be the best option at this point taking into consideration rallys 11m wind range will cover me well for 10 and 12
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
6 Sep 2014 8:08pm
A 7 ,10, 17, quiver has had me perfectly powered from 13knts to40knts @ 85kg on a 135 / 42 tt, when I'm maxed out on my 17 it's perfect for my 10 , maxed on my 10 perfect for my 7 , had this combo for a few seasons works a treat,
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
7 Sep 2014 9:09am
I to tell you it will make no difference but how long is a piece of string?
11m still won't get you going at 13.
@ 75kegs I started with 12, 9 combo now have 13 10 8
could just as easily have 14 11 8 if you see what I mean
prastis
prastis
68 posts
68 posts
7 Sep 2014 9:21am
Yeah maybe i will go 12/9 or 12/8 and get over it, everyone seems to suggest 12 is a must.
GarryA
GarryA
WA
268 posts
WA, 268 posts
14 Sep 2014 12:36pm
prastis said..
Hello guys,

I am really struggling to decide the size of the kite I should purchase, I am 1.76 , 80kg and I intend to kite around 13-25 knots areas.

I started with the idea of a 12m kite but as soon as I decided I will go with a 2014-2015 rally I said, 12m will be too much for me since of its power, and the extra fabric which these year models have and their incredible wind range and low end and I should drop to 10. I found 2 deals for 2014, 10m and 12m, and in less than 24hours the 10m got sold so I decided to check the 2015 line.

So, 2015 10 vs 11m. The way I see it,

10m = In theory, if the fabric its like last year, this should be a 10.5m kite, it will be faster than the 11m but I am not sure if i will understand the difference since I am a complete beginner, it will cost less, AND THEORETICALLY i guess it should cover me around say 13 KNOTS? i know this can be wrong but everyone says rally 10m has an incredible low end and I am not sure how to inter pretend it in terms of knots.

11m = The 11m should be a machine between the 10m and the 12m which is optimal, since at the first place I couldnt decide between the 10 and 12. It will have greater hang time than the 10m for sure, but it will cost more, it will have for sure higher low end, which I am not certain if in reality there is a real difference, IT WILL BE SLOWER but again I am not sure by how much.

I overthink too much and I cant decide.

I have decided to drop the idea of the 12m kite since for this specific model, 10m and 11m will be a lot more fun for me, and will cover me fully in terms of power and wind range at my weight.

I have sent slingshot an email to tell me if the extra fabric which the 2014 models had, it applies to the 2015 ones as well which I think it is the same.

This is the wind chart supposingly for 2015 models. I heard somewhere that slingshot just to be safe does not over exaggerate their wind ranges, but again, I tend to think this isnt valid, since most companies should exaggerate on their wind ranges, since its a marketing thing right?





the three variables which bother me trully is the low end, turning speed, and hang time

Thank you in advance.

Yours sincerely,
George


This chart is a guide line for an average weight group of 80 to 85kg male, slingshot used to make there kites in odd numbers 7,9,11 where a 7 will be the same power as a 8 in another brand 9 same as a 10 in another brand... and they still keep to that theory. so when u look at the wind chart where it say's a 10m kite is the wind range of 12knots and a max of 25knots . as a person of your skill level u will fly this kite from about 14knots and hold it down till about 23knots. as your leval of experiance evolves you will be able to open the wind window considerably.
So to answer your question if the 10, 11 is going to be your big kite then look at your average wind for your area and if this falls in the range of these 2 kites I will take the 11m, and forget the 9 or 8 and go for a 7m as a high wind kite for a start and if you going to buy a 3rd then i will buy a 9m.

My thoughts
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
16 Sep 2014 12:00am
prastis said..
Hello guys,


I overthink too much


Yours sincerely,
George


YUP you certainly do.
Just buy a kite (a bit on the big side imo); learn to fly it then work through the options with some experience.
Remember - its easier to learn on a bigger kite in lighter winds than a smaller kite in higher winds.
Theres usually 3 kite sizes to suit you to cover from <15kts to >30 kts. Buy the middle one and you cant get the 2 kite quiver.
IMO go the larger of the 3 sizes 1st then buy the smaller of the 3 when you feel confident to tackle a faster kite in the higher winds it needs.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
16 Sep 2014 2:49pm
If you can afford it, buy a big twin tip (something like a slingshot glide or shinn speedball W18 for the light winds) and a smaller twin tip for the 25 knots) ....
mazdon
mazdon
1199 posts
1199 posts
16 Sep 2014 1:09pm
cauncy said..
A 7 ,10, 17, quiver has had me perfectly powered from 13knts to40knts @ 85kg on a 135 / 42 tt, when I'm maxed out on my 17 it's perfect for my 10 , maxed on my 10 perfect for my 7 , had this combo for a few seasons works a treat,


40kn on your 7?! storm or mid west breezes?

you must be flying in that. used to max out my 7 in solid 30-35kn down near Augusta, just no fun at that top end, literally couldn't stay on the water haha i'd be scared to take my 6 out in over 40kn now as well though might need a 4
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
16 Sep 2014 5:18pm
mazdon said..


cauncy said..
A 7 ,10, 17, quiver has had me perfectly powered from 13knts to40knts @ 85kg on a 135 / 42 tt, when I'm maxed out on my 17 it's perfect for my 10 , maxed on my 10 perfect for my 7 , had this combo for a few seasons works a treat,




40kn on your 7?! storm or mid west breezes?

you must be flying in that. used to max out my 7 in solid 30-35kn down near Augusta, just no fun at that top end, literally couldn't stay on the water haha i'd be scared to take my 6 out in over 40kn now as well though might need a 4



sounds like you need to eat some cheeseburgers...lol (no offence)
GarryA
GarryA
WA
268 posts
WA, 268 posts
16 Sep 2014 3:42pm
mazdon said..

cauncy said..
A 7 ,10, 17, quiver has had me perfectly powered from 13knts to40knts @ 85kg on a 135 / 42 tt, when I'm maxed out on my 17 it's perfect for my 10 , maxed on my 10 perfect for my 7 , had this combo for a few seasons works a treat,



40kn on your 7?! storm or mid west breezes?

you must be flying in that. used to max out my 7 in solid 30-35kn down near Augusta, just no fun at that top end, literally couldn't stay on the water haha i'd be scared to take my 6 out in over 40kn now as well though might need a 4


I've flown a 5m feul in the winds of 37-45knots on a 132x36 misfit board and fack me george it is no joke.... it's white waters all over the place. no fun
mazdon
mazdon
1199 posts
1199 posts
16 Sep 2014 9:49pm
kitcho207 said...
mazdon said..


cauncy said..
A 7 ,10, 17, quiver has had me perfectly powered from 13knts to40knts @ 85kg on a 135 / 42 tt, when I'm maxed out on my 17 it's perfect for my 10 , maxed on my 10 perfect for my 7 , had this combo for a few seasons works a treat,




40kn on your 7?! storm or mid west breezes?

you must be flying in that. used to max out my 7 in solid 30-35kn down near Augusta, just no fun at that top end, literally couldn't stay on the water haha i'd be scared to take my 6 out in over 40kn now as well though might need a 4



sounds like you need to eat some cheeseburgers...lol (no offence)


None taken. At 90kg I'm more of a quarter pounder kind of guy haha

As per gazza, just didn't feel the fun, although a couple of second and third gusts got the elevator lofts happening! Good luck to anyone who does want to get out there though

cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
16 Sep 2014 10:19pm
mazdon said...
cauncy said..
A 7 ,10, 17, quiver has had me perfectly powered from 13knts to40knts @ 85kg on a 135 / 42 tt, when I'm maxed out on my 17 it's perfect for my 10 , maxed on my 10 perfect for my 7 , had this combo for a few seasons works a treat,


40kn on your 7?! storm or mid west breezes?

you must be flying in that. used to max out my 7 in solid 30-35kn down near Augusta, just no fun at that top end, literally couldn't stay on the water haha i'd be scared to take my 6 out in over 40kn now as well though might need a 4


On the 7 edge it's been nw frontals, the older increased strutt kite is a much more stable canopy compared to my newer model, we did get a high 30 with gusts to 40 2 seasons ago aw and a memorable 40knt sw a while back, the Darwin boys were in town getting blown down the beach, big puetzy handled it well , I was on a 9 Vegas, used to love mental winds but now a solid 25 to 28 is the go
CodeRed
CodeRed
NSW
58 posts
NSW, 58 posts
18 Sep 2014 11:52am
if 2 then 12 & 9
if 1 then 10 + large HP TT such as Shinn or Axis
iggypop
iggypop
VIC
164 posts
VIC, 164 posts
19 Sep 2014 9:49pm
don't get the 10 you will need the power of the 12 to help compensate for your mistakes while your learning
there will be far more days that your under powered on your 10 than what you would be over powered on your 12 if that makes sense
start with the bigger kite as you will need It more often
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