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antisense
antisense
WA
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WA, 109 posts
24 Nov 2013 9:39pm
Total noob here, first time out on my own after a few lessons and had problem with kite I wasn't sure how to recover.. would appreciate some advice..

I was relaunching and instead of naturally moving to the edge of the window so I could pull upper steering line to relaunch, the kite moved directly down wind of me into the power zone, stayed there and was pulling hard. Luckily I was in waist deep water so I could stop being pulled onto shore ( was cross onshore) and held my ground.. wasn't sure how to recover situation so I popped QR (cab vector ids 2012) hoping the kite would depower. the bar ran up centre lines but kite remained powered to the same degree so I thought well what the he'll do I do now. Didn't want to pop QR2 and have kite fly uncontrolled down beach or into trees. This happened twice and luckily both times a guy on the beach landed/collected for me.

Any helpful advice on how to avoid/causes or how to recover a kite in this position?

Thanks in advance!!
psychojoe
psychojoe
WA
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24 Nov 2013 10:41pm
the kite will always pull quite a bit while leading edge down on the water
ur kite should be depowered with the bar all the way out
and then just gently pull one of the backlines until the kite stands up on edge and slowly moves to the edge of the window
this can take a long time, and it's easy to drift 200m downwind in the process
bear in mind that if your kite isn't correctly inflated (about 8-10psi most kites) this wont work

once you give up on recovery and pull qr1
if you find the pull is still a little strong
then pull urself up ur centre line (5 line kite)
or pull urself up one of ur front lines (4 line kite)
this is ofcourse the first step in your self rescue,
and if ur not perfectly aware of how this works
then either get more lessons, or watch some videos and practise it before you move on to anything else.
coz when it all goes bad.....

happy kiting
welcome to the sport
it's awesome, and just keeps getting better the more you learn
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
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25 Nov 2013 1:28am
antisense said...
[br] popped QR (cab vector ids 2012) hoping the kite would depower. the bar ran up centre lines but kite remained powered to the same degree



Sounds like antisense ! (Pun only) But this smply shouldn't be able to happen. Saying the bar ran up the centre lines sort of implies the kite must fold & flap with relatively little power.
Seriously. If this has happened twice don't fly it again till you have had it checked. Preferably by those you bought it from.
If you bought it 2nd hand bring it in and we will check it out for you. Don't fly it.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
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25 Nov 2013 8:52am
antisense said..

wasn't sure how to recover situation so I popped QR (cab vector ids 2012) hoping the kite would depower. the bar ran up centre lines but kite remained powered to the same degree so I thought well what the he'll do I do now.

Any helpful advice on how to avoid/causes or how to recover a kite in this position?

Thanks in advance!!


Hi Antisense, I have the vector 12 and 14 with the IDS bar and this has happened to me a few times. When QR1 is released it, the emergency line doesn't always pull cleanly through the bar in lightish conditions. You might have to give it a couple jerks or push the bar away. When it is fully deployed, your kite will definitely be on the front lines only.

As for re-launching, push your bar fully out and just gently grab one of rear lines. The Vector will come round to side of wind window pretty quickly and re-launch very easily. But .....

Don't pull too hard on the rear line or the vector will just pop over and re-launch on the spot. If this occurs (and you will do it once or twice accidently) do not grab your bar, just let the kite fly to twelve. My advice is you test the consequences of this behavior in water under the "get to know your kite" scenario.
antisense
antisense
WA
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WA, 109 posts
25 Nov 2013 9:36am
Thanks for the replies.

Joe,
Thanks for the encouragement! Unfortunately I couldn't just do self rescue cause I was so close to shore and by the time I would have reached the kite, it would have been in trees or on the road. I'm sure the kite was rigged correctly and inflated enough as I had an experienced kiter check everything for me before launching.


Puppetonastring,
Cheers for the offer to check over the kite and I appreciate your concern over flying it again until it's checked out.. The kite is brand new out of the bag so I might take it back to the place of purchase and get them to check it out. I should say the kite flew fine for most of the session. It was just these two times where the kite seemed to get stuck on not want to move across to the edge of the wind window for relaunch. The wind was very variable down at Melville yesterday, so I think this may have coincided with brief lulls but I'm not too sure.

Bigtone,
Thanks for your comments. As you say I definitely need to get to know the kite better. Interesting to hear you've had the same problem (sort of).


I think the big problem for me (and the main reason for posting) was that I got into a situation where despite the lessons I've done and videos I've watched and understanding of how the safety systems work, I really was not sure what to do next to ensure my safety and more importantly the safety of those around me. Once I pulled QR1 (hoping the kite would depower fully and empty), the bar ran up the centre lines until the split ring and just sat there and was still exerting alot of pull. Perhaps if i'd moved forward the kite would have shifted and fallen backwards to depowered fully? Because I was close to shore I was standing and bracing myself and when I popped QR1 the kite just moved downwind and stayed in the same position. This really surprised me as it was only pulling on the centre lines. So in this situation with QR1 released, bar run up centre lines until ring, kite still full of wind and pulling, what would be the safe thing to do to get the kite to settle. As I said before, I could have popped QR2, but I was worried the kite would blow down the beach into trees and other people and gear.

I should also say, there's a butt load of weed down at Melville, so maybe this could have affected bridles and lines..

Cheers.
psychojoe
psychojoe
WA
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25 Nov 2013 10:04am
Melville sux, the wind is always inconsistent, so you've probably hit the nail on the head saying it was a lull that caused ur problem, as a beginner ud think kiting on the ocean would be harder, but the better winds make it easier, and learning to ride in choppy conditions will make you a better rider in the long term.

As for once ud pulled QR1, sounds like uv guessed right again with weed being the problem (it happens), but the solution remains the same, grab them front lines and pull as fast as u can (just 1 line once you get to the split).

Also +1 for puppets comments, it never hurts to have a shop look over ur gear even if it is brand new, it will take the doubt out of ur mind, and keep u in step with the first rule of kiting. (if in doubt, don't go out!)



antisense
antisense
WA
109 posts
WA, 109 posts
25 Nov 2013 10:04pm
cheers ! :-)
Katz
Katz
VIC
131 posts
VIC, 131 posts
26 Nov 2013 10:07am
The problem with the QR1 is that the kite will tend to sit leading edge down tips up and can still have a bit of pull - in heavy winds it can fly upside down; but there should be little tension and it is relatively straight forward to self rescue or walk up to the kite keeping tension on the centre lines. Does take time and distance as pointed out above. A useful trick is to quickly move towards the kite, if you can, to create slack in the lines, where it should flip over and sit flat on the water or sand completely depowered.

The 2014 setup is much easier as it just flags out to a single line.
norcom
norcom
61 posts
61 posts
26 Nov 2013 11:23am
I had a similar experience on my 2012 Switchblade 16m when I was just starting. The winds were very light, the kite crashed leading edge down and was completely down wind of me. I didn't want it to drift down towards shore and vegetation, so I punched out. To my surprise (first time punching out) the kite still had power in it. I totally expected it to just lose power.

I believe there just wasn't enough wind to push the canopy completely open and make it drop on its back. In my case, I was still able to hold the kite. So I just walked towards it until it dropped on its back. Then while rolling up the line the kite flew up and started hovering upside down, though there was no power in it. Now, if that happens, I first swim towards the kite to let it drop on its back. That's only necessary in very light winds though. Otherwise I just grab one of the outside lines and pull until it gets to the side of the window and it relaunches.
antisense
antisense
WA
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WA, 109 posts
26 Nov 2013 4:50pm
Katz said..

A useful trick is to quickly move towards the kite, if you can, to create slack in the lines, where it should flip over and sit flat on the water or sand completely depowered.


I thought this might be the case but wasn't game to try just in case something went wrong :)
Katz
Katz
VIC
131 posts
VIC, 131 posts
27 Nov 2013 9:41am
As long as there is room its fine, you're already flagged out so nothing much else to go wrong. Hand over hand up the centre lines is the other option where you are short of room.

In case you missed it there was a recent thread on light wind relaunching that's got some good ideas and its also worthwhile looking at some info on reverse launching using the back lines to get the kite out of the water.
StevenJG
StevenJG
WA
22 posts
WA, 22 posts
27 Nov 2013 12:49pm
Same thing the other day at pt Walter twice in a row with my switchblade 2013 10m. Was unable to stay upwind do to light wind, pulled out but kite kept pulling in deep water. Downwind where two poles so luckily didnt hit those. After struggling for a while it did fully depower as it's supposed to
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