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Richoa
Richoa
NSW
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13 Apr 2017 10:11am
Ive been looking into right of way rules to try and keep my end up!

I saw one video that suggested kite boarders are obliged to give way to all other vessels regardless of port and starboard position. I agree, me on a little board would not want argue the point too far on a 60 meter yacht or even a sailboard.

But I would like to think if either mowed me down and I was killed, whilst ignoring the basic right of way rules of sailing the Fckr at the helm would likely go to jail.

Does standard sailing rules apply re port and starboard?
PommyMike
PommyMike
QLD
22 posts
QLD, 22 posts
13 Apr 2017 2:26pm
Basic waterway rules apply, power gives way to sail & starboard direction has right of way.

BUT

100% agree with you on the common sense side. I'd much rather give way, shout and swear at the guy to make myself feel better and carry on kiting rather than get chopped up by his prop but 'be right.'
NorthernKitesAUS
NorthernKitesAUS
QLD
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13 Apr 2017 3:37pm
The common mistake a lot of kiters do is when they are in a situation where both are heading towards each other and both are trying to go up wind. Who gives way first? Generally, the one that is the fastest or seems to be going upwind more should lift his kite to allow the guy downwind to keep going. Basically, always give way to what is downwind of you. Is that right Christian?
Richoa
Richoa
NSW
478 posts
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13 Apr 2017 4:21pm
NorthernKitesAUS said..
The common mistake a lot of kiters do is when they are in a situation where both are heading towards each other and both are trying to go up wind. Who gives way first? Generally, the one that is the fastest or seems to be going upwind more should lift his kite to allow the guy downwind to keep going. Basically, always give way to what is downwind of you. Is that right Christian?


im new to kiting but not new to sailing. left hand forward on yr bar, is on port tack and is obliged to give way..
upwind sailor lifts kite, downwind keeps kite low. simple logic there, upwind kiters kite would sever the downwind kiters head off so keep it a bit high huh.

others I have found are.

on same tack faster rider should pass below (downwind) with kite low. Slower rider (upwind kiter,chopping head issue) keeps kite high

kiter leaving the beach has right of way over all!

kiter on wave has right of way over all, Except kiter leaving the beach

pls correct me if wrong but that's what I have found so far.
Greenarrowz
Greenarrowz
NSW
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13 Apr 2017 6:28pm



weebitbreezy
weebitbreezy
635 posts
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13 Apr 2017 4:30pm
The way I remember is right foot forwards - right of way (normal riding stance).

See here: www.britishkitesports.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/rights-of-way-tri-fold-w-o-folds.pdf

The last one is key. It is your responsibility to avoid a collision.
Richoa
Richoa
NSW
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13 Apr 2017 6:52pm
Yeah seems all the same, like the comment about riding switch. Throws spanner into simple logic.
Sandfoot
Sandfoot
VIC
573 posts
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13 Apr 2017 7:00pm
Richoa said..

NorthernKitesAUS said..
The common mistake a lot of kiters do is when they are in a situation where both are heading towards each other and both are trying to go up wind. Who gives way first? Generally, the one that is the fastest or seems to be going upwind more should lift his kite to allow the guy downwind to keep going. Basically, always give way to what is downwind of you. Is that right Christian?



im new to kiting but not new to sailing. left hand forward on yr bar, is on port tack and is obliged to give way..
upwind sailor lifts kite, downwind keeps kite low. simple logic there, upwind kiters kite would sever the downwind kiters head off so keep it a bit high huh.

others I have found are.

on same tack faster rider should pass below (downwind) with kite low. Slower rider (upwind kiter,chopping head issue) keeps kite high

kiter leaving the beach has right of way over all!

kiter on wave has right of way over all, Except kiter leaving the beach

pls correct me if wrong but that's what I have found so far.


Yep, you've listed the basic rules that I've seen followed at most kite spots, the other unwritten rule is look over your shoulder when you go to turn/gybe and look over your shoulder and downwind when you jump. This is a really important thing to keep in mind to avoid collisions.

Generally its not worth overtaking anyone in front you but rather gybe/tack so you you get clean wind and don't interfere with each other and tangle kites.

At some kite spots starboard dosnt get right of way-small ponds, waves but you more or less form a queue and go one at time depending on ability or local priority.

Also board shorts are too be worn on the outside of your wetsuit lol
GarryA
GarryA
WA
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14 Apr 2017 9:46am
weebitbreezy said..
The way I remember is right foot forwards - right of way (normal riding stance).

See here: www.britishkitesports.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/rights-of-way-tri-fold-w-o-folds.pdf

The last one is key. It is your responsibility to avoid a collision.


Hum , my normal stance is left foot forward..... Kite coming into the beach has right of way. Except in a pure on shore wind- kite closest to beach has right of way wind dependant
1KJ
1KJ
QLD
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1KJ 1KJ
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15 Apr 2017 11:50am
Geez i hope you lot dont kite the same spot you all have different rules
Richoa
Richoa
NSW
478 posts
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15 Apr 2017 8:32pm
1KJ said..
Geez i hope you lot dont kite the same spot you all have different rules


Not really they all meant exactly the same thing expressed in diff way. Ie left foot forward or left hand forward gives way. Vs right foot forward has right of way. All agree just a diff way of remembering tack yr on.

except Gary's post which must be local rule. But not sure how that would hold up if under accident review by marintine services???
Samuellae
Samuellae
NSW
59 posts
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15 Apr 2017 11:42pm
To all this I would add that because we are smoking all the other sailors so much (i.e. going way faster than them) they will not have time between seeing us-then wishing they were us- then deciding whether to get out of the way or not....and by that time we are waaaaaay past them ...so may as well get out of the way if in doubt~~
Fly on da wall
Fly on da wall
SA
725 posts
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16 Apr 2017 1:49am
Starboard tack has right of way.
That's very clear! On port tack you have no rights... It's very basic that's why you need to have a basic understanding of port and starboard.
Swavek
Swavek
WA
396 posts
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18 Apr 2017 12:44pm
The rules I have seen vary a little:
Faster kiter on the same tack can pass either upwind or downwind as long as the slower kiter can stay on his course.


Returning to shore kiter (finishing his session) has right over launching kiter I though?
Richoa
Richoa
NSW
478 posts
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18 Apr 2017 3:11pm
Swavek said..
The rules I have seen vary a little:
Faster kiter on the same tack can pass either upwind or downwind as long as the slower kiter can stay on his course.


Returning to shore kiter (finishing his session) has right over launching kiter I though?



How is it you judge he can stay on course or at the point he suddenly cant are you wrong?
PommyMike
PommyMike
QLD
22 posts
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18 Apr 2017 4:06pm
Swavek said..
The rules I have seen vary a little:
Faster kiter on the same tack can pass either upwind or downwind as long as the slower kiter can stay on his course.


Returning to shore kiter (finishing his session) has right over launching kiter I though?


I think this is probably something to consider if overtaking and comes back to the notion of judgement.

When I first started I was much happier having people overtake me upwind as I had far more confidence in their ability to stay upwind than in mine. If someone came past me downwind of me, I'd be a bit nervy of losing a bit of power and having to head downwind right where that kiter has just passed (and is still in the vicinity)

Although I was under the impression that person on the beach/entering the water has right of way as they've got nowhere else to go, ie you're not supposed to have your kite pointing towards land in case of a gust/equipment failure etc
weebitbreezy
weebitbreezy
635 posts
635 posts
18 Apr 2017 9:05pm
GarryA said..

weebitbreezy said..
The way I remember is right foot forwards - right of way (normal riding stance).

See here: www.britishkitesports.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/rights-of-way-tri-fold-w-o-folds.pdf

The last one is key. It is your responsibility to avoid a collision.



Hum , my normal stance is left foot forward..... Kite coming into the beach has right of way. Except in a pure on shore wind- kite closest to beach has right of way wind dependant


Normal riding stance = heel side stance, as opposed to toe-side
w8ingforwind
w8ingforwind
QLD
259 posts
QLD, 259 posts
19 Apr 2017 9:42am
Collision regulations can be found in a copy of your "small ships manual". Pay close attention to number 2 and don't have an accident.
psychojoe
psychojoe
WA
2241 posts
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19 Apr 2017 9:25pm
PommyMike said..

Swavek said..
The rules I have seen vary a little:
Faster kiter on the same tack can pass either upwind or downwind as long as the slower kiter can stay on his course.


Returning to shore kiter (finishing his session) has right over launching kiter I though?



I think this is probably something to consider if overtaking and comes back to the notion of judgement.

When I first started I was much happier having people overtake me upwind as I had far more confidence in their ability to stay upwind than in mine. If someone came past me downwind of me, I'd be a bit nervy of losing a bit of power and having to head downwind right where that kiter has just passed (and is still in the vicinity)

Although I was under the impression that person on the beach/entering the water has right of way as they've got nowhere else to go, ie you're not supposed to have your kite pointing towards land in case of a gust/equipment failure etc


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