slaloming as a lead in to load and pop?

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bfg
bfg
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bfg bfg
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2 Mar 2015 6:25pm
My first proper season and it has been great - went from barely able to get up to riding upwind and transitioning (well almost all of the time) in both directions. I'm making small jumps off the tops of waves and even managed to land a couple yesterday. The next logical progression seems to be towards getting load and pop happening reliably. Have watched all the You Tubes and am trying to get all the various parts working together.

For the past couple of sessions, I've been playing around with moving my board from the heel side edging, flattening it out and slaloming (bit like parallel turns in snow skiiing or being a a skateboard).

Sometimes, when the board is running flat over the water, it feels like I am almost ready to lift off. Is this the time to dig in the edge and let the load take place? What seems to happen when I try and turn the board hard and dig the edge in is I lose speed instead! I can get a little bit of lift by sending the kite up; but some people say that this is cheating as real load and pop is supposed to come from the board and the kite should stay at 10 or 2?








VRBones
VRBones
130 posts
130 posts
2 Mar 2015 7:57pm
bfg said..
Sometimes, when the board is running flat over the water, it feels like I am almost ready to lift off. Is this the time to dig in the edge and let the load take place?

Not anywhere near an expert in load and pops, but if you are feeling pull from the kite while flattening out your board you need to turn faster. The idea is to create a little slack and sit the kite back further in the window when you run toward the kite, then take advantage of the deeper position when heading aggressively upwind to give an explosion of power. You should feel next to no pressure in the prep, then slightly more pressure than normal when you are crossing your original tack line, then huge pressure the further out past the line you go. When done correctly you don't even need to push off to leave the water, but timing a big push right at the point of release gets you higher / further.


RedclffRoss
RedclffRoss
QLD
45 posts
QLD, 45 posts
3 Mar 2015 10:11am
Yeah definitely playing around with slaloming can help you get a feel for how to generate that load and pop effect. Ride along on your heel edge with the kite fairly loaded with power and then just start with subtle slalom movements but you don't need much change in board direction if you are going fast enough. Of course its much easier the smoother the water. Also keep your legs and body stiff so the pop isn't absorbed by your knees and body bending. You'll get it soon enough :)
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
3 Mar 2015 1:42pm
It helps if you can spot and aim for a piece of chop to ramp off. The flattening out and edging just before liftoff should be done in under 2 seconds as you send the kite. Once airbourne point the board down wind and drive the kite forward for a smooth landing. Jumping without enough pop will place you under the kite and a messy landing.
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
3 Mar 2015 12:46pm
bfg said..
I can get a little bit of lift by sending the kite up; but some people say that this is cheating



next progression for you : www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/How-to-do-your-first-jump_3367282.aspx

learning to send the kite is the first step in learning to load and pop...

bfg
bfg
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bfg bfg
89 posts
3 Mar 2015 4:50pm
thank you all...some great suggestions there to explore.....now I just need the wind and tide to cooperate!

Subculture
Subculture
443 posts
443 posts
3 Mar 2015 6:12pm
bfg said..

I can get a little bit of lift by sending the kite up; but some people say that this is cheating as real load and pop is supposed to come from the board and the kite should stay at 10 or 2?


What you are being told is correct 'bfg'

True load and pop involves board and body. The Kite stays at 10 or 2 as you were told.

A lot of people will try to tell you to send the kite etc. but that is a sent jump. Sending the kite is not, as someone said, "the first step in learning to load and pop".

Don't bear off the wind too much (slalom, as you put it). Just flatten your board off enough to slack your lines slightly. Your kite should settle back slightly but don't even worry about watching the kite, just keep it at a fixed height and it'll take care of itself. If it tends to drift up as it sounds like it is, keep your hands closer together on the bar. For the next steps, watch the video I will attach below.

Keep working with what you are doing though, you're on the right track.

Watch this video for a full breakdown and explanation.

Good luck


Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
3 Mar 2015 11:41pm
Subculture said..

bfg said..

I can get a little bit of lift by sending the kite up; but some people say that this is cheating as real load and pop is supposed to come from the board and the kite should stay at 10 or 2?



What you are being told is correct 'bfg'

True load and pop involves board and body. The Kite stays at 10 or 2 as you were told.

A lot of people will try to tell you to send the kite etc. but that is a sent jump. Sending the kite is not, as someone said, "the first step in learning to load and pop".

1. The next progression from landing chop hops and is not load and pop
2. A sent jump teaches you what you need to know about
A. Timing
B. Balance
C. Learning to load
D. Learning to pop
we all want to walk before we can run eh

Subculture
Subculture
443 posts
443 posts
4 Mar 2015 12:21am
Rails said..

1. The next progression from landing chop hops and is not load and pop
2. A sent jump teaches you what you need to know about
A. Timing
B. Balance
C. Learning to load
D. Learning to pop
we all want to walk before we can run eh


If you press play and listen to the first 10 seconds of the video, you will hear this:

"In this instructional video, we will focus on the basis for any jump related kite move".

That basis, is load and pop. Or perhaps the likes of Shannon Best, and all the other pioneers had it wrong all along too?

The OP has correctly identified that they want to learn the correct way to load and pop, as a basis for their jumps. They have probably decided that they don't want their jumps to look like the jump at 15 seconds in the video..

I'm not going to waste my time saying anything else. I'm just posting this so that the OP has the correct information.

If you want to make any other smart assed comments, PM me, we can take it further.
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
4 Mar 2015 6:42am
Smart arse comments??
kitebt
kitebt
NSW
325 posts
NSW, 325 posts
4 Mar 2015 10:10am
"Progression" have a great smartphone app which covers this and much more in tremendous detail. I recommend using it. You can watch whatever progression you are aiming for go try it and then during your kiting breaks look at the video again on the beach to review where you are making mistakes. It's cheap and IMO worth every cent.
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