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kitcho207
kitcho207
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22 Mar 2013 2:35pm
thats cool,
didnt want to seem like i was pimping my kite that turns very fast (compared to the other 17 and not getting into the 17 turns like a 6m... lol) and goes up wind really good.
havent had too many good boosts yet tho, but working on it.
kitch
QLD, 481 posts
22 Mar 2013 5:01pm
We've had a lot of success with the Slingshot Turbine 17m. Got a few bigger guys who picked them up as a kite to learn with good results, and we've had it up in the school all season on the days that are a little on the light side.

Relaunch is great, stable, reliable Slingshot safety, and definitely plenty of grunt! Best light wind kite we've tested so far, we did have a Best Taboo in the school before the Turbines rocked up which was a pretty decent light wind kite too, a little bit smoother, but the Turbine kills it when it comes to grunt. Also the Best had an unusual two-pump system for light wind performance, wheras the Turbine is a bit nicer with just the standard Slingshot one pump system.

It really depends on what you're looking for in a larger kite, but if getting out as often as possible is the aim I'd definitely give the Turbine a crack if you get the chance.

eppo said...
FOR GODS SAKE DONT BUY A KITE BECAUSE IT RELAUNCHES WELL ! W T F



It's always a good idea to consider all aspects when you've buying, well, any product. But when it comes to big kites, relaunch is a pretty important aspect, especially when you're talking beginner friendly. All the performance in the world isn't going to be much fun when it's floating around on the water in 6-9 knots
polykarb
polykarb
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22 Mar 2013 6:12pm
Hi, cannot help but comment, as I love kiting in light winds.

Few reasons why light winds are awesome:-

Flatwater, less kiters and usually warmer weather.

Personally I would not bother trying to find a kite for super light winds , eg less than 10knots.

The largest kite I've owned was an 18m Best Bfk.

But I think a slightly smaller kite with longer lines and bigger board works much better.

My pick for next year is another 14m RPM, 27m lines and a kite surfboard.

Hope this helps.
INTHELOOP
INTHELOOP
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23 Mar 2013 8:03am
Eppo relaunch in big kites and light winds is one of the most important things ;)

and nothing beats 5th line kite relaunch- kite is downwind on its LE you just pull the 5th line kite flips onto its back and you can relaunch it on the spot downwind where you have most power to relaunch otherwise just dont crash in 10knts






eppo
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23 Mar 2013 8:31am
INTHELOOP said...
Eppo relaunch in big kites and light winds is one of the most important things ;)

and nothing beats 5th line kite relaunch- kite is downwind on its LE you just pull the 5th line kite flips onto its back and you can relaunch it on the spot downwind where you have most power to relaunch otherwise just dont crash in 10knts




In the loop makes some valid points here don't red thumb him please!





pattiecannon
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24 Mar 2013 11:28pm
Hey Giles,
How's that NRG going? I had the V2 infinity out most last week. It's a powerhouse, but after a couple of sessions I can keep it on a leash a bit more rather than that first session the other way round.
It is surreal watching this kite launch in sub 8kts and yep on the 155 phantom I was getting little airs off the waves , 1-3ft round here of late. HAven't tried much drift surfing on it yet so can't comment but it turns with a bit of pull rather than a straight pivot an giddyup style turn. I prefer this but it is slower than the 11! so getting the timing worked out in straight onshores has been tricky but rewarding ;)
Ol' mate had his core xr 17 out and we were running the same lines. It's a bigger kite but his boards a 140 tronic, so it sounds a little better for raw power but still gotta look more closely at that too.
Looks like a week load of sub 10kts coming up so I should have plenty opportunity to get that turn sorted and suss the drift out.

All in all, it's damn good to have a true LW kite - only missed one day last week, noice one
djdojo
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25 Mar 2013 2:38pm
Can't believe nobody's mentioned the 14m Catalyst yet.

I've smoked a same weight guy on an 18m Dyno on the 14m Cat. It relaunches in barely a fart and is super friendly for beginners. Boosts large and it runs fine on a 50cm bar and will sit sweetly above your 11m C4 in the quiver.

Maybe Zephyr if you're much over 80kg, but 14m Cat if you're that or under. My 2c
bakz
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25 Mar 2013 4:55pm
djdojo said...
Maybe Zephyr if you're much over 80kg, but 14m Cat if you're that or under. My 2c


Your post is good timing.

I've been trawling the net all day trying to figure out what size kite to get as a light wind kite.

I'm 75kg, I've got a 9 and 12 Blade Trigger (2013) so have 16-30kn covered pretty well.

Now I'm after something for the 10-16kn gap but I'm honestly daunted by the sheer size of the 17m kites (and other large LW specific models) and the low wind range I'll likely get over powered in (I'm hoping for a top end of around 20kn).

I was having a good look at the Zephyr's and from all accounts they've got great depower range and would easily handle 10-16kn for me, but they seem so damn huge!

But why get a 17 when something smaller (considering my size) would do the trick and be more fun and responsive to fly? Do you reckon the 14m Cat would be fine in the 10-16kn range (pushed to 20kn max)?
eppo
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25 Mar 2013 5:00pm
bakz said...
djdojo said...
Maybe Zephyr if you're much over 80kg, but 14m Cat if you're that or under. My 2c


Your post is good timing.

I've been trawling the net all day trying to figure out what size kite to get as a light wind kite.

I'm 75kg, I've got a 9 and 12 Blade Trigger (2013) so have 16-30kn covered pretty well.

Now I'm after something for the 10-16kn gap but I'm honestly daunted by the sheer size of the 17m kites (and other large LW specific models) and the low wind range I'll likely get over powered in (I'm hoping for a top end of around 20kn).

I was having a good look at the Zephyr's and from all accounts they've got great depower range and would easily handle 10-16kn for me, but they seem so damn huge!

But why get a 17 when something smaller (considering my size) would do the trick and be more fun and responsive to fly? Do you reckon the 14m Cat would be fine in the 10-16kn range (pushed to 20kn max)?





Yeh Bakz, I'm 75kg to and have debated this over and over again in my head until I have nearly gone insane!

My plan was to ride both the Cat 14 and the zephyr before I made a decision. Rode the cat 14m, and djodjo is right it has an extraordinary low end. Jason from Westoz was going upwind on a crazy fly skim in what was no more than 8 to 10 knots...17m edges were all out and about!

Flew the zephyr only last Saturday from 10 to 16 knots, albeit in gutless wind with stuff all thermal support.

Thing is my wife had already ordered a 14m cat for my 40th so I was kind of locked in, the kites on order and due to arrive sometime this week. I didn't want to do the dirty and say nah, rather the zephyr.

Would I go the zephyr if it hasn't been ordered? There are pros and cons either way you look at it hey.

The 14m cat will always be faster to turn than a 17m kite and the cats are quickish turner anyhow. I'm keen to do some unhooking stuff as well and while the zephyr in the right hands looks great unhooked I'd rather be on the cat for this.

Board selection is also something you need to consider. Also the fact that you have a 12m already!

For me if you were to just stay with your board quiver and you don't have an efficient board, in the lower end of 10 to 16 at least you will be powered (well there isn't much power pouring over the wind in those winds, but you will be able to point and stay upwind on the zephyr). Get a race board or something efficient and you'll get below 10 for sure as there is some kick ass apparent wind built into that wing that an efficient board will love. The cat also has some apparent wind build up but not as much.

So you will need to define what style of riding you want to do in those winds and what board you would like to ride on in those winds.

My next kite is a 10m edge, scaled down from an 11m purely to work with the 14m cat, but you have a 12m.

Next thing to consider is what water you will be in. If there is swell and currents I'd be more inclined to consider the lower aspect cat to pull you through and bit more bottom end grunt if you like.

The zephyr will excel in flat water but like all high aspect kites you gotta keep ya board speed up and it is not like you can just flick it around to gain speed. Well you can but not to the degree you could with a cat.

If you can hold out for a bit, I may get a few lighter wind sessions under my belt and can report back to ya if ya want?

Yeh it's a hard one hey especially after riding the zephyr and enjoying it so much.

I'm locked in so the decision has been made for me.

You have the luxury to at least consider the options.

I don't thing you would be disappointed with either kite but the overlap difference would be better with the zephyr than the 14m cat I feel.

Hard one hey! Depends on the stuff I just wrote really. Have a think.
azza86
azza86
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25 Mar 2013 7:17pm
depends on what board ur riding and what ud like to achieve in 10 - 16, im 70 kg riding a 13' 14m cat on a north nugget or skim im riding in any thing my mate (85kg) on his 11' zephyr is, on same boards we seem to swap to a tt 134x40 and 136x41 around the same time , my aim was to be powered @14 knts on tt, yet be comfortable with gusts to say 20 ive found it a very versityle kite
bakz
bakz
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25 Mar 2013 8:29pm
Cheers mate,

I'm in no huge rush so can wait until you've got the Cat 14 and put it through its paces.

I hear you about the closeness in size to the 12, but 17 just seems crazy big! I've had a go on a mates LF NRG 14 (2013) and it would have been 17-18 knots and I was crazy over powered on that.

In regards to boards I've got a couple which would be OK in light wind. Nobile Flying Carpet, LF Kite Fish (waiting for it to arrive) and a Cabrinha Subwoofer (that I'm going to go pick up tonight). Any decent wind and I'm on my 132 Monk FE, just general freeride. I'm not at the stage of busting out any dogstyle yet, but I imagine that may come with more kite time

If I find that these are lacking/not much fun then I'll stump up for a Nugget or a Sector.

I'm still relatively new (only my first season in) but the way I see it at the moment any time on the water is good time

So I'm quite happy being able to mow the grass/just generally trundle around in low wind (not wanting to race). Whats appealing is the flat water and lack of people

I must admit the Zephyr is probably a bit ahead due to its massive wind range and seems a bit of a "park & ride" kite, my only concern is being over powered on the thing. That and I wish Ozone would release the "push away" CL, I really don't like the idea of having a quiver with bars with opposite CL mechanisms.

P.S. Is it you that's in Mandurah? All my family is there and I'll be visiting them in May, whats the wind like then?

eppo
eppo
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25 Mar 2013 6:09pm
Well given your board quiver the cat would be just fine. The zephyr has an incredible wind range and I reckon I could hold the thing up to 18 knots and still be grinning and not holding on, but hey I've been at it a while, so don't let that bother ya.

When do you get started and grinning on your 12 then?

As far as the quick release honestly man don't buy onto the bullsh1t because that is what it is. A way to delineate against what are superb kites. I had push away systems for years and have had no adjustment whatsoever. The system is simple, effective and lasts the journey. They are going to bring out a retro fit push away soon enough, but I'm not going to bother.

Don't let that put you off such a great wing design honestly. Farq the bar, what's the Farqin kite doing, what is its power delivery like? Will it fulfil your riding requirements. That's gotta be priority here. Honestly man sometimes I wonder where guys heads are at hey.

Park and ride, yeh you are probably right in a way with the zephyr except in the hands of a good freestyler then all that would change very easily. But I'm not one of those and I will presume nor and you right now.

What's the wind like in may...sh1t. But you could try ya luck, pm me we can catch up.

We get bent over backwards by the wind down here, can drive 15 or 20km north and it is blowing 5 to 10 knots more. Gotta be the estuary hey, that's the only explanation I can think of. Then again could be in Banbury that's even worse!!! We regularly head north due to this.

Wy don't ya get down to Westoz and demo both. While you are there see if anyone else is around with another kite brand or style you are considering. I know there is a north dealer there as well. Ride them all man, that's he only way. Most crew down there are more than happy to give you a crack, I know there has been some bad publicity about Argo and all that, but most people I have met down the pond are just great.

I never got an edge until this summer due to reading various things and I'm kicking myself now. Also I didn't look at the cat either until I rode the 2013. Gotta try before ya buy if you can afford the time.
azza86
azza86
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25 Mar 2013 8:44pm
flew a 17m cloud the other day back to back with the 11' zephyr was good fun, 9-15knts on a digital gauge cross on shore 2-3ft and the nugget , cloud a bit faster and a definate for absolute low end but zephyr much more managable at 15 hope to get some more goes on this one!
eppo
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25 Mar 2013 9:05pm
Hey azza sound cool, wondering how'd the cloud would go. The new zephyr I would suspect is very different to the 2011 model, very different canopy design by the looks of it. I think we can't compare the old zephyrs anymore the kite it seems has changed.
bakz
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26 Mar 2013 12:31pm
eppo said...
When do you get started and grinning on your 12 then?

On the 12 I'm up and enjoying myself at 15-16 kn. Once it gets to around 25 I'm finding myself over powered, though I have a feeling this may have been partly due to my board bindings being too loose. Pointing my feet "toes up" to try and dig the edge in harder would just result in the front of my feet lifting in the binding. I've tightened them right up and hoping to get out tomorrow to see if this will help with top end control.
eppo said...
As far as the quick release honestly man don't buy onto the bullsh1t because that is what it is...

I've got no issue with the quality or that it operates well, just that in one of those "oh s***" moments I'd have to think "am I on the push release or pull release bar?". It's only a small thing but in those situations seconds can count. If the push release isn't too far I may bite the bullet and get the current one and grab the push release when it comes out.
eppo said...
Park and ride, yeh you are probably right in a way with the zephyr except in the hands of a good freestyler then all that would change very easily. But I'm not one of those and I will presume nor and you right now.

Yup, leaning more and more towards the Zephyr now the more I read about it. That kite should almost double my kiting days.
eppo said...
What's the wind like in may...sh1t. But you could try ya luck, pm me we can catch up.

Great, just my luck. Will wait and see how long I'm over for (nothing booked at this stage, depends on work) and drop you a pm.
eppo said...
Wy don't ya get down to Westoz and demo both....

Demo's will be the go, if I can fit them in (assuming I don't impulse buy one before that). At this stage dunno how long I'll be over there for and how much of my time will be taken up with family stuff (nephews B'day, etc).


eppo
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26 Mar 2013 9:47am
Grinning at 15-16 on the 12m...zephyr then. Getting overpowered at 25 (at 75kg)...nope don't worry 99% of riders at that weight would be lit.

Yep I'd go the zephyr...if I had a 12m.

Too much overlap with the 14m cat for the sweet zone. With all your boards you will triple your days on the water!
ROSS1BRO
ROSS1BRO
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26 Mar 2013 3:46pm
expo

does the missus go kiting with ya?
can she tell one kite from another?
if no to both the above, do yourself a favour, don't let her see the 14 & order a zephyr
I have the 2012, f""g awesome kite man
I kite with a dude 65kgs with a 2010 & he does it easy
eppo
eppo
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26 Mar 2013 3:50pm
She may miss the considerable dent in the savings account though?

No I'm still comfortable with the 14m decision and all things said and done would have probably still gone the 14m cat.

Only 75kg, some board options, no I still feel it is the right choice....

but riding the new zephyr did make me think....lol
azza86
azza86
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26 Mar 2013 8:58pm
eppo said...
Hey azza sound cool, wondering how'd the cloud would go. The new zephyr I would suspect is very different to the 2011 model, very different canopy design by the looks of it. I think we can't compare the old zephyrs anymore the kite it seems has changed.


yes i agree, looking over the new zephyr there are definate changes there this year. tho i havent seen one in the flesh.

managed a lil seshion again this arv on my friends new 17 cloud , this time at the lake still on the nugget no white caps , wind gauge reading 6-11.7knts avg 8
i took the 11' zephyr out while he was setting up managed a few runs very iffy getting right forward on the board , had to really watch the kite . unfortunatly an old repair sprung a leak so we brought it in .
cloud was stable alot less effort to fly, turning speed impressive noticably faster but not as fast as the 14 cat , somewhere in the middle . light bar pressure , short bar throw and water raunch quite quick . generates quite a bit more low end at 9 knts ( standing out in water in flying zone) was hooting across the water and at 11 really trying to point hard and slow down the pull through the center lines is quite noticable and at times i was being pulled off the board , while there was quite alot of power making my way up wind was a challenge requiring experiance and tecnique . i havent tryed a tt yet but i think a lw tt will hav more controll but not quite the low end? ask away if ud like to no anything ill try answer the best i can




ROSS1BRO
ROSS1BRO
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26 Mar 2013 9:08pm
man if you want a kite that charges from 12 to 16

get a 2012 zephyr
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
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30 Mar 2013 4:44pm
bakz said...
Cheers mate,

I'm in no huge rush so can wait until you've got the Cat 14 and put it through its paces.

I hear you about the closeness in size to the 12, but 17 just seems crazy big! I've had a go on a mates LF NRG 14 (2013) and it would have been 17-18 knots and I was crazy over powered on that.

In regards to boards I've got a couple which would be OK in light wind. Nobile Flying Carpet, LF Kite Fish (waiting for it to arrive) and a Cabrinha Subwoofer (that I'm going to go pick up tonight). Any decent wind and I'm on my 132 Monk FE, just general freeride. I'm not at the stage of busting out any dogstyle yet, but I imagine that may come with more kite time

If I find that these are lacking/not much fun then I'll stump up for a Nugget or a Sector.

I'm still relatively new (only my first season in) but the way I see it at the moment any time on the water is good time

So I'm quite happy being able to mow the grass/just generally trundle around in low wind (not wanting to race). Whats appealing is the flat water and lack of people

I must admit the Zephyr is probably a bit ahead due to its massive wind range and seems a bit of a "park & ride" kite, my only concern is being over powered on the thing. That and I wish Ozone would release the "push away" CL, I really don't like the idea of having a quiver with bars with opposite CL mechanisms.

P.S. Is it you that's in Mandurah? All my family is there and I'll be visiting them in May, whats the wind like then?






Hey zarb and bakz,
have you guys bought something yet? it would be great to hear about it.
For some reason this LW thread seems to have been whirlpooled into the Edge vs zephyr vs catalyst relm. This thread is supposed to be about "beginner friendly Light Wind" kiting. So why is it getting hiijacked with all this talk about 15 - 20 kt light wind kites? F**k that. FCS, if you want a LW kite you're talking 6-10kts.
Zephyr - strike out. Edge - marginal call. Try a few different makes/models & you will be astounded of what can be done in this range by the other producers.
I have seen guys out on 11s when others have been struggling on these kites mentioned above. For a true LW option there are a lot more places to look than at one particular brand that is famous for race kites.
bakz
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30 Mar 2013 6:12pm
pattiecannon said...
Hey zarb and bakz,
have you guys bought something yet?..

Not yet, I'm still looking at the options. Also, heading into winter down here the winds tend to be stronger over lighter (all be it generally much gustier). So I'm not sure if a LW kite would get much use for another few months yet. At this stage I'm still leaning toward the Zephyr to round my quiver out.

pattiecannon said...
Try a few different makes/models & you will be astounded of what can be done in this range by the other producers.
I have seen guys out on 11s when others have been struggling on these kites mentioned above. For a true LW option there are a lot more places to look than at one particular brand that is famous for race kites.

Have you got any particular kites for us to put on the list of possibles? I'm just in info collection mode at the moment so the more for me to research/compare/demo the better
Also I understand biggest doesn't necessarily mean best, as a beginner depower in the case of the wind picking up is high on my list. So the smallest kite I can get away with and be reasonably powered from 10kn would be a good option (more wind range). I'm interested to see what Eppo says once he's tested his 14 Cat and has an idea of what the real world bottom end is like as well (we're the same weight)
pattiecannon
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30 Mar 2013 6:55pm
Yeah, I never had a go, but that cat is getting good reviews & a 14 with line extensions can do amazing in LW, but it's horses for courses. If you want very LW you can't beat a good purpose built, well made 15-17. 's like apples and oranges.
You can get a 14 pumping in 8-10 kts with a big TT or phat SB but any lower and you're reaching deeper in your quiver.
Brands I know that work in the sub 8 range are Core, Epic & Cabrinha. I've used them. I've also used the zephyr and edge and IMO they not in the same league. For turning & power the core is the leader. For pure power, the old cabs rule. I imagine the modern xbows would be amazing in this dept also. The Infinity goes well, but with more bar pressure than the core & a little less LW ability but turns good & is still better than the Oz's.
One particular brand not talked about much is Gaastra. I have a 14 2008, a m8 has a 14 2011 and they are AWESOME kites. The 2011 is easily as fast as any 11m I have seen but again, for LW (with line ext's) , it goes down to 8kts and no way will it go lower. Also at this speed you are looking for favourable water directions. With a proper LW kite this only becomes an issue down at about 6kts. Gaastra make a 16.5 and a 19m. Acording to one of the local kiters who used to windsurf, B4 kiting became popular they were one of the 2 major windsurfing manufacturers, the other being neil pryde. I'm sure others here will have more clarity on this one but in any case they have been at the top of the sail game for quite a while.
Their build quality is second to none, their depower system is awesome and they get better every year. Definitely worth a look. Kite Addiction is the hookup for these guys.
The TRX is getting good reviews(as opposed to the Argo-thanx for the info there!) and as you can read here the NRG has a lot of fans also. But you can be sure the Hi-aspect wings won't turn like the more surf style blades and generally they are more prone to racing hard accross the window. This is why IMO a deeper, low ratio wing is better to learn on. Once you get used to the more constant awareness required to control the slightly more reactive feel, they are a lot more forgiving and much more easily controllable. They pivot faster which means, when they're off on a bad trip, they're more easily pulled in than the Hi-aspect beasts which will want to keep on truckin'. Also I think that they give the rider more feedback even though it may be at a lighter pressure, again, just my 2c anyhow. Everyone have their own particular combo's of requirements & preference.
There's a few 17's floating around online at good prices - have you checked laurie's buy&sell column here m8?
eppo
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30 Mar 2013 6:23pm
Good info above. Yeh a mate of mine has a gastra had a good crack on it. Bloody good kite perfect for a beginner. Heaps of delta in it and very quick turning.

The new zephyr is very different though I think you may need to revisit this kite pettiecannon. You may find exactly the same and I agree that the core light wind kites are exceptional. But if you have not been on the 2013 zephyr your comparison basis is not accurate enough. But again great info mate.

Went out of the 14m cat but it built to 16 to 18 so I couldn't gauge it's bottom end. Tomoz looks more like it.

On first impression though I think I can support Pettie cannon to a certain degree. Light wind kites are indeed the 17m and above big boys. Also remember the guy who started the post is looking for 10 to 16 not below.

Tomoz arvo I will report back.
Jasonlk321
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30 Mar 2013 10:32pm
bakz said...
Cheers mate,

I'm in no huge rush so can wait until you've got the Cat 14 and put it through its paces.

I hear you about the closeness in size to the 12, but 17 just seems crazy big! I've had a go on a mates LF NRG 14 (2013) and it would have been 17-18 knots and I was crazy over powered on that.

In regards to boards I've got a couple which would be OK in light wind. Nobile Flying Carpet, LF Kite Fish (waiting for it to arrive) and a Cabrinha Subwoofer (that I'm going to go pick up tonight). Any decent wind and I'm on my 132 Monk FE, just general freeride. I'm not at the stage of busting out any dogstyle yet, but I imagine that may come with more kite time

If I find that these are lacking/not much fun then I'll stump up for a Nugget or a Sector.

I'm still relatively new (only my first season in) but the way I see it at the moment any time on the water is good time

So I'm quite happy being able to mow the grass/just generally trundle around in low wind (not wanting to race). Whats appealing is the flat water and lack of people

I must admit the Zephyr is probably a bit ahead due to its massive wind range and seems a bit of a "park & ride" kite, my only concern is being over powered on the thing. That and I wish Ozone would release the "push away" CL, I really don't like the idea of having a quiver with bars with opposite CL mechanisms.

P.S. Is it you that's in Mandurah? All my family is there and I'll be visiting them in May, whats the wind like then?




Hi Bakz,

I would be at a similar level to you, although heavier at 90 Kg. Been kiting for about 8 months but have clocked up a lot of hours in that time. I have a 2013 Catalyst 12, 8 & the new Zephyr. This is rapidly becoming my favorite kite & can literally double you time on the water. Simply because of the wind range & the fact i don't need to depower even upto 20 knts. The only time it looks huge is pumped up on the beach. Once its up on those 27m lines its not so intimidating. Was out yesterday between 12 & 16 Knts. The only problem you have is there's not so many people around to launch & land you. So you need to be proficient at this. Remember, your're not self launching in 20 knts . If you have to self land at this wind range just bring the depowered Zephyr down to edge of window same way as if someone's landing you then simply hit the quick release & take a few steps back, doesn't get any easier. This kite is always in the chop. Never had it on flat water yet. Love to ride hard, fast & aggressive. Not jumping or doing any unhooked tricks yet so can't comment on Zephyr performance in that area. Board choice is obviously very important & I didn't want to keep changing boards as wind range climbs & drops. I did a lot of research & settled for Shinn King George lll which is a massive 150 x 50 but is incredibly light, flexible & designed to devour the chop. They also do one at 146 x 46. The KG also performs really well with the Cat 12. I would struggle a bit on the 12 getting up wind on a standard TT at around 15/16 Knts but this board makes all the difference. Like yourself ,have the Monk FE for the Cats when it starts cranking at 20+ Knts. I'm not sure what all this fuss is about regarding the Ozone quick release. I've never had any dramas with it. Couldn't be any easier to pull & reassemble. Ozone bar, lines & depower/safety system couldn't be any more simple to use & maintain.
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
30 Mar 2013 10:30pm
Hey cheers eppo, it's cool to have you say that, thanks man.
Hey cool you got up to 18 on a 14m - good start - sorry to have to wish LW upon you, but can't wait to hear about the low end lol.

You're right that the zephyr I flew was a '12. They sound more like jekyll's by the minute with all that delta! (s**t yeah! that's a good thing but) and jasonIK voted 1 for zephyr '13. Cool.

I agree with jason that there is nothing wrong with the ozone bar. In fact the modded out edge race bar is 'kn awesome IMO. So easy to work. Very innovative yet simple and smart.

but just to clear up one thing..............


zarb said...

keen to add a light-wind kite to the quiver to get me up in 8-15kts.

I thinking about going to test the Airush Lithium range of kites to replace my Ozones when my noobish skills eventually ruin them. Any word on the Airush Lithium 16m One strut? Having a quiver made up of the one brand / model is an attractive prospect.




you should put on or put down your glasses eppo, whichever is the more applicable! lol

eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
31 Mar 2013 7:18am
Sorry dude ya right, thought you were answering the original posters question.

8 to 15, forget the 14m unless ya weigh 60kg!,
Drewm
Drewm
VIC
159 posts
VIC, 159 posts
31 Mar 2013 12:24pm
on a slightly off topic question, can anyone tell me why there is a bunch of guys running around at Safety Bay on 17m Ozone Edges when every other kiter is on 9, 10 and 12m kites?!
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
31 Mar 2013 10:27am
Yeh I noticed that to. One of the guys is a 95kg dude and likes to be heavily powered while the crew on those kites looked young and well under 70kg. Also those young dudes are working the freestyle action, good to See. You here regular whacks as the canopy hits the water. Bang! kiting is a light persons sport for sure. Lol.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
31 Mar 2013 9:25pm
Figured better post here to....

Okay I know some crew were waiting on some feedback on the 14m cat as a potential 'lightish' wind kite. After today I'm in a position to comment.

Yesterday the wind built to a level that I'd be having fun on my 10m edge, even on my 140 mako ( smallest board), not grinning but able to through down my usual and stay upwind easily. So on the cat at least I know there is a very decent overlap as although I was lit, I think I could have easily gone a couple of more knots. But then again when one gets used the the power of an edge, your limits do controllability seem to increase somewhat.

Today was perfect. Started at 8 to 10 knots, increased 10 to 13, then settled at 12 to 15 for half an hour or so before shifting very quickly to the south east! Gotta love those big ass highs sitting in the bite!

Sent a mate down with the kite and when I arrived he was losing 50m or so of ground on a north nugget in 8 to 10. He's been only been kitesurfing for a year and is still working in his light wind technique. I got on the nugget and was holding ground, if not heading a bit upwind. Got on my skim the same result. But to his defence not soon after the wind start to build slightly to 10 to 13 knots. So was I having fun...well it did take some technique to stay upwind lets say 8 to 11 knots. Still planning with some speed, but I wouldn't call it fun, be lucky to throw anything down and get back to your mark unless you went a fair bit out. Not worth jumping, just mowing the lawn and concentrating to keep board and kite speed up. Better than nothing though hey.

Once it steadied though at 11 to 13 (few whitecaps appearing), no problems at all crankin upwind on the nugget, even my mate was holding ground. When it hit 13 to 15 I was smokin upwind on the Mako King and could have changed down to the mako 140 at that stage, but would probably want more. So was able to throw down my gay style hooked in back roll back loop etc stuff, from the heel or toeside.

Some side comments here. Please take note this was done in the ocean, not on flat water. Although there was no great swell and the reef system does create a more flatter ride than say at some beach break slop, it was still choppy ish and there was still enough current and swell to counter the board and kites speed. In flat water you could do a lot better.

Another side note before I conclude, my brother at the 13 to 15 knot stage was powered enough on his 11m edge, could do some okay jumps ( well gay jumps compared to this kite at 20 knots of course) and was holding ground easily on a 150 Mako. He weighs a good 5kg more than me to. It just shows you how efficient and powerful these edges are, do yourself a favour even if you would never think of owning one of these kites, just for your own education do yourself a favour and get on one of these. They truly are a remarkable wing!

So what was my/our overall thoughts. Yesterday I was doubting the Cat, well me on it. I was trying to fly it like an edge. I was craving for that apparent wind and unrivalled speed. And when I was out with my bro who was on an 11m edge I was starting to get a little ....depressed.

But....

I reset today and started to fly the catalyst, like a catalyst a lower aspect stable kite, with a bit of C chucked in. I slowed everything down, I flew the kite not relying on that insane apparent wind to get back to my mark( the edge is effortless in that regard). Then presto I started to smile again.

The loops are much more crisp and controlled than on an edge. You feel the kites pull through loop, loop with a rotation etcThe canopy is so stable when I fell in the water trying to turn my skim around (that Farqin skim is doing my Farqin head in, still can't consistently turn that Farqin thing...but I won't be beaten!!), I wasn't worried about lack of line tension I do on the edges in 10 knots from falling out of the sky). I enjoyed the more constant power through the bar as the cat won't keep flying to the edge of the window, so you can hang of it and use slight body movements and edging to lift and drop the kite to keep your speed up with little depower movement. I started to have a bloody good time. I started to enjoy the bit of C4, bit of Edge and the old stable cat built into the canopy. I started to employ the quick turning capability of this wing and I was only on my normal 50cm bar!

While I have been told by a few that the cat can jump like the edge, well I can say that's officially bullsh1t. But the jumps are much easier to execute, going vertical is easier and very forgiving on the descend. Gives a nice bit of float that more adventurous of us could use their advantage.

So is it a light wind kite. Nah! Forget sub 10, even 10 to 13 is okay with good flying skills and the right board, but you'd be having way more fun on a say a Zephyr, core or a fat lady.

But 13 to 20, the cat is a bloody good option for those crew under 80kg or say 80 to 85kg coupled with the right board. It also provides a more constant pull through currents and swell, whereas a high aspect kite like an edge won't like the drop in board and kite speed. The upstroke of the cat gives you as much power as the downstroke if ya know how to use it. I did unhook it accidentally so thought stuff it and rode for a bit (after scrambling to trim as I have my bar set on the shortest knot), yep perfect to learn some unhooked stuff.

Anyhow that's my bit, hope it helps, got it right it seems. 14m cat, 10m edge, 8m cat for those insane winter winds and swell. Season nearly over....
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