Flysurfer Pulse - First Impressions.

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23 May 2006 2:40pm
So I just took the jump to the dark side after spending nearly three years on LEI kites, I bought a 10 Metre Flysufer Pulse.

The Pulse is a bridled foil kite with a huge depower range. Not as much depower as the Crossbow but for me that`s a good thing as when I let go of the bar the kite just keeps on flying and I can ride it with the bar on the stopper and have all that power ready to boost..........

I`ve only just had my first couple of sessions on it so I really don`t know the kite very well nor could I comment about what it`s weaknesses may be at this point in time.

The first day on the beach was a gusty 15-20knots with occasional bullets of 25knots. Testing conditions on my LEI kites, I was so keen to get going on the new foil that I did the classic foil newbie thing and got the bar tangled in the bridle.

So......... 20 min later......I launch by myself which even though it was my first time was ridiculously simple and safe feeling.....then.... I`m off on my FLX 132 in about 1-1.5 of messy swell and another one or two foot of chop on top of that.

Couple of runs in and out to feel the kite and all is good. Upwind no problem. Seemed much easier than on my C kites, I think that is probably due to the huge depower range more than anything else.

Pull the trimmer just a tad because I was getting overpowered when going fast even with the bar resting on the stopper.

OK...... next run I try my first jump..... full speed..... hit a three foot chunk of swell, pull the bar and OMG........ I`m up and away, super easy, super nice lift. Not like a high aspect ratio LEI lift but more like a gentle pull skywards that just keeps on pulling up and up.

Problem was I was redirecting with way to much muscle and accidentally nearly kite looped. Ended up in the water flailing around in the impact zone.#12288; Kite gets all bunched up as it is mauled by waves, shake and tug a few lines to try to sort it out and it opens out all by itself LE down. Stoked! Pull on the PSS handle abit and she sails straight the the edge of the window and takes off all by herself. Easiest relaunch ever!

I could feel the power coming on more and more as the kite reinflated fully on its` way up and with water pouring off/out off the kite. SUPER STOKED!

The most surprising thing was that the kite got really hammered by the waves and I know that in those situations my tube kites tend to get tied in knots or at least inverted several times over as they get tossed around by the surf.


Anyway, that was pretty much repeated time and time again throughout the next couple of afternoons with increasing degrees of success with all my jumps and my very limited repertoire of tricks.

Did my smoothest ever aerial transitions and even with a couple stylin` tweaked out grabs because it is so smooth and friendly feeling. I landed my first ever downloop to, although I must admit it was kind of an accident that ended up stickin. 100 points goes to any kite that will let you land a trick you didn`t really plan on doing.

Had lots of crashes because I was trying all sorts of things that I would never even try on my LEI kites because of the time/difficulty of relaunch. Managed to literally bounce the Pulse of the water a few times, ie. crashed at the edge of the window while I`m landing jumps but relaunched it before I even sank into the water, constantly amazed at the easy of relaunch.

The wind dropped and smoothed out alot both days in the hour before dark, maybe 12-15 knots, I could no longer stay upwind on my small board at that strength but both times, I had had enough by then. I have yet to try it with my bigger boards, I think the low wind useage should be really good considering how low it goes with the 132.

Over-all, An amazing couple of sessions!

My first sessions on the Pulse inspired alot of confidence. It has such a huge sweet spot to ride in. It relaunchs if you snarl at it.
It forgives major mistakes. It let me do and try tricks that I`ve never tried before because if I crash the kite I could usually get it off the water in about five seconds. For me at this point in time, it seems like the perfect kite.

I`ll post another update in a month or so when I have had more time to get used to the kite.
ellery
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23 May 2006 6:42pm
Good to hear that it's a nice kite. Used to have an old Flysurfer Titan, wasn't a fan of that, but it's good to hear that Flysurfers have improved the turning speed.

cheers
James
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24 May 2006 6:04pm
quote:
Originally posted by glaucus atlanticus

So I just took the jump to the dark side after spending nearly three years on LEI kites, I bought a 10 Metre Flysufer Pulse.


At last! Been window shopping for long enough!

Good news, there's one of these orange babies in the post on the way to ME!

Thought I could hold out and wait for the Psycho3 which should have the same depower in a higher aspect freestyle kite.......maybe later.....


I'll let you know how I get on too, warts n all. I'm expecting it to be a really forgiving kite, it was designed for novice/intermediate but it seems expert guys are loving going huge and working on tricks with it. I'm looking forward to a more relaxing ride than the Speed 10. It's still an awesome kite but can be punishing in the top end, I've learnt to edge really hard to keep it under control, but still get spanked most powered sessions. Speed is awesome in nice conditions, Pulse sounds awesome in chop/surf/gusts. A top end of 25-30 knots should be enough for around here too.
Lookin forward to finding out!
122 posts
25 May 2006 11:52am
quote:
Originally posted by tobes

quote:
Originally posted by glaucus atlanticus

So I just took the jump to the dark side after spending nearly three years on LEI kites, I bought a 10 Metre Flysufer Pulse.


At last! Been window shopping for long enough!




Yeah I know That`s the price of having a wife!

Anyway, it`s all good now.....

I`ll get myself a speed next year I reckon after feeling how amazingly good the Pulse handles. For my money I can`t go wrong with these kites, even if everyone asks"What`s that!"

Some guy asked me if I wanted help with the launch and I said "No, I think I`ll be right". Clipped in and pulled the kite into the sky and the look on the guys face was just priceless.

It definately has at least a few advantages over my old kites.

Tobes, you`ll love the Pulse I reckon, it will probably be like driving a WRX after your Speeds which are probably more like Ferraris. I hope that analogy makes some sort of sense.
tobes
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25 May 2006 2:07pm
I've driven a WRX, but I'll just have to imagine what a Ferrari's like

Doesn't launching straight downwind freak tubies out!

How's self landing BTW, I know you are not used to landing previous flysurfers and Pulse is different again.

The other thing I've heard is the steering isn't great when really depowered, comments?
122 posts
27 May 2006 10:30am
So I had another session on the Pulse yesterday in really light/only "just" conditions. I was doing about the same amount of downwind as a couple of guys on 16m and 18m kites and only one guy was staying upwind and he was riding an 18m super high aspect ratio kite with a Slingshot Glide board.

I got to play with the kite on the beach alot a experiment with the turning when fully depowered vs powered. Yes there is a lot of lag when depowered, but I think it`s no worse than my 12LEI when it`s fully depowered.

The solution when actually kiting was to depower the up stroke and power during turns and during the downstroke. Worked well!

I did alot of landing and take-off practice on the beach too in the light air. Pull the bar all the way in and stall it to the ground. No loss of control anywhere in the window and using the same stalling technique to control the power at relaunch in the middle of the power zone was really easy.

First try of the FDS, seemed to work really well in the light wind with a fairly quick and easy relaunch off the beach. I`m still a little concerned about using it in high winds but I suppose the time will come eventually when I`ll have to try it out.

I think one of my favourite things about this kite so far is being able to just grab the kite and board and run down to the beach and unroll the kite, launch and go. So quick and easy.
Same thing for pack up, just roll it all up together and walk away. I always used to get the sh1ts packing up after a long session because I just wanted finish,..... well now I can!


...

Just waiting on Huey to send the good winds again now.
fver
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10 Jun 2006 10:15pm
Thanks for your first impressions, Glaucus. Very interesting.

Tobes, I would be very interested in a quick comparison between the Speed 10 m and the Pulse 10 m (when you will have the opportunity to play with it).

I am planning to acquire the 10m version of the Speed as soon as I have got the budget.

Thank you.

Fred
tobes
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11 Jun 2006 8:22am
Hi Fred
I've only had one underpowered session on the water so far, in gusty 10-16 knots SW, and was very impressed.
The Pulse is a medium aspect kite with lots of depower. Not as much depower as most bow kites, it still flies if you let go of the bar, Flysurfer call it a 1:7 depower effect versus Speed with 1:4.
www.skywalk.org/
The most noticable difference when riding is this power on tap, like having a throttle. I had a ball, can't wait for some more decent weather.
Anyway, some more observations from my brief experience-
It is extremely stable, I didn't notice gusts other than feeling powered when they came through, turn fast, nearly no backstall, plenty of lift, just pull the bar in, too easy.
It has noticably less bottom end than the 10m Speed. If I was flying the Speed on that day, I would have been powered fine. For me, 70kg, I think Pulse 10 wants around 14 knots.
One of the nicest things about it is the new bar system, it uses a 5th line which passes through the bar and through a ring at the top of the CL, instead of the old thick blue safety line. The 5th, or FDS in Flysurferspeak, is attached to bridle lines in the centre of the kite so that if you go to safety, the kite folds in half and floats to the ground. This system gives a very clean bar, and full spinning safety, it is also possible to set it up with a "suicide" safety to the CL with Quick release and the 5th as a kiteleash.
Self launch and land are easy as usual with FS, I'm sure water relaunch will be excellent, better than the Speed, but I haven't tested that yet.

I think Speed 13 and Pulse 10 make an awesome quiver, so if I were you I would consider the Pulse, the only area's Speed has it beat are low end, big air and well, speed.

I also reckon it is the best kite I have flown for a beginner. Mostly because of its stability, depower, safety, durability and performance.

Anyway, I'm really happy with it, also glad I got an orange one, looks like they're making em in yellow again now, the orange looks sweet!
fver
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11 Jun 2006 7:53am
Hi Tobes,

Thank you for the exhaustive response from your brief test.

For information, I did quickly try the 10 m Pulse and my impressions generally corroborate yours:
- the Pulse felt like a very easy kite to fly;
- the power-depower ratio was significantly greater to that of my Extacy and Speed (different sizes). I fully agree with the "throttle" analogy you made.

I am looking for speed and big air rather than easy flying characteristics, and my Speed 13 m meets perfectly these two criteria (as you said). That is why I am tempted with the Speed 10 m.

Glaucus/Tobes, could you please comment further about the water relauching characteristics of the Pulse when you have further input?

Thanks a lot you both!

Fred
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11 Jun 2006 10:05am
How about the new Psycho3?
fver
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11 Jun 2006 8:09am
quote:
Originally posted by glaucus atlanticus

So I just took the jump to the dark side after spending nearly three years on LEI kites, I bought a 10 Metre Flysufer Pulse.



Glaucus A.,

without any will of starting a debate between LEI and foil fanatics, I am wondering what main reason made you chose a foil?

My main reason was probably the safe self launching/landing possibilities, as I wanted to kite by myself as soon as I felt confident enough.

Thanks.

Fred
fver
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11 Jun 2006 8:10am
quote:
Originally posted by tobes

How about the new Psycho3?



I heard about this model only recently. I still need to study this option!

F.
tobes
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13 Jul 2006 3:06pm
Finally got a bit more wind!
Another session in a southerly at a local point break. Sooo good!
Pulse 10 just inspires confidence. I had great fun playing around in the waves, the depower really lets you slow down and ride the wave. Toeside is easier than ever before, and unlike most bows, riding with one hand is no problem because the bar pressure is so light. Gonna have a go on the strapped surfboard next time. It was probably the bottom end of the windrange again, the local BOM reported 12-18 knots, jumps were nothing like the Speed, above 20 knots though I can tell this kite could get some big air. Made plenty of mistakes that would have caused trouble with the Speed, Pulse is very forgiving.
Oh yeah, managed to crash it twice, relaunched nearly instantly just by pulling the bar in and steering to one side, it just slides around and up you go. One of them I was surprised by a good wave coming, quickly downlooped to catch it, fluffed the loop and crashed LE down, pulled in the bar, relaunched and still managed to catch the wave!
Overall one of the most fun and relaxing kiting sessions ever, topped off with dolphins at the beach when I arrived, oh yeah, the new FLX 128 is pretty sweet too!
tobes
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9 Oct 2006 7:00am
I finally had the Pulse 10 out in too much wind, yesterdays southerly was really gusty, mid 20's with gusts around 35 knots. Overpowered at about the same time as a 9m x-bow. Big air is stupidly easy and floaty at the top end. It wasn't scary when overpowered, but I would have liked a smaller kite for sure.
I give it 12-27 ish windrange, me 70 kg, FLX 128.
Finally got a huge birdsnest tangle in the bridles from the kite flapping on the beach, took about 15 mins to untangle. That's the worst problem so far.
I highly recommend this kite.
But I'd love to try the new Psycho 3.
cwamit
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9 Oct 2006 7:50pm
Hi funky foil dudes, the pulse sounds like a nice kite, am looking at a second hand 5 meter pulse for high wind days, I am about 70 kilos, what would the 5 meter low end (holding ground) be do you think with a board about 43cm wide and what would be the high end with say a wave orientated direction board that’s about 160 long by 38cm wide... finding my 9 meter bow overpowered (i.e. dragged down the beach while fully sheeted out kind of overpower) sometimes in the cold front 25 knot +++plus winds and since I have always had a keen interest in the foil kites I would ideally like to use one as my high wind kite. Would the 5 meter be ok in 25 knots to say 35 knot gusty cool winds?

I know it’s stated on flysurfer site – 14 up to 42 knots but learning my kite skills on a 3 meter foil I also know the amount of pull a foil can give.... so anyhow any ideas and advice would be appreciated!
cwamit
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10 Oct 2006 8:45pm
Ta tobes for the link, bit of a bummer cause i found out the 5 meter been sold anyhow.. though looks like a 7 meter might have same power as a 7 meter bow which would be ok too, i just know the nine was way too much for me in those winds.. hmmm couple more months and my credit card will be a few k down on its max again
122 posts
17 Dec 2006 4:57pm
Damm those double posts.........
122 posts
17 Dec 2006 4:58pm
Update....

I`ve been on the Pulse 10m for more than 6 months now and just wanted to let people know that that I truely think this kite amazing.
I don`t bother with it until it`s 15 knots plus these days. Light wind is not it`s area of strength. Give it 15-30knots though and it`s in it`s comfort zone(me at 80kg).

I`ve not had any more problems with the bridle. First day was the only day I had a nasty tangle. Maybe just good luck but it`s not given me a problem since then.

I have been using it with the lines 3m shorter than standard and it increases the turning response so that it`s really good for "Surfing with Kites". In the 15-20 knot range, if there`s swell, I have been doing lots of surfing with it, the low aspect ratio and depower(if hooked in) make it really easy to just surf and not really worry about luffing the kite.

I`ve had it out in upto double overhead surf a few times and crashed it in the impact zone many times, I`m always so surprized at the relaunch. Most of the time it seems to relaunch itself while I`m still surfing the wave and 90% of the time I can get it back up before the next wave gets to it, even if I can`t see the kite.
Just pull the line that will make the kite slide away from the oncoming wave and up she comes.
I have had a few swims to the beach with it but only when the wind is not strong enough to instantly relaunch it. ie. under 12-13knots.
It seems to have the ability to just float over whitewash even when the surfs giant.
Just once I crashed it right under the lip and needless to say, that resulted in a drowned kite.

That said I`ve had many more swim ins with my old C kites than I`ve had with the Pulse.

I`ve actually taken my old C`s out (2004 models) a few times since I`ve had the Pulse to fly them back to back and for me the Pulse is just better in every aspect.



Overall....... This is the Kite for strong winds and with short lines it rocks for surfing. It is super easy to self launch and land.
Crap winds are no problem. It is a pleasure to fly and so easy/friendly to use it makes me relax and totally enjoy a huge range of conditions that I could never be comfortable in before.
The amount of abuse I`ve given this Kite would have had my Cs in the shop for repairs numerous times but the Pulse just takes it all in it`s stride.

I`m now so impressed with the Flysurfer products I`m planning on buying a Speed 2 15metre for light wind.

I`ve become one of "those foil guys"
fver
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21 Dec 2006 2:09pm
Hi Glaucus!

I use 4.5 m + 7 m Extacy (ancestors ) and 10m + 13 m Speed. I quickly tried the Pulse.

Further to your last message, and assuming that the Speed2 will be an improved descendant of the Speed1, I would like to warn you that the Speed's are high aspect ratio kites whose power is not as easy to control as for the Pulse. Also, although you should not have any relaunching difficulties when using the proper technic, relaunching is likely to be more difficult than the Pulse (because of the high AR of the Speed).

Speeds excel in speed and high jumps!!!. The bigger Speeds excel in light wind.

Just some words of wisdom so that you are not deceived by a kite that does not fit your kiting profile...

I looooove my Ferraris!!!! Errrrr, my Speeds!!! I am now dribbling in front of the Psycho3 and Speed2
Fred
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