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OZONE Reo 8 with full de-power what sizes does this turn kite into.

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Created by Gone to dark side 1 month ago, 27 Oct 2017
Gone to dark side
NSW, 317 posts
27 Oct 2017 3:01PM
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Out today Friday in supper gusty condition got me thinking with full de-power what sizes does the kite turn into i.e. 7m or 6m. Had to come in after gusting to over 30 knots.50 cm ozone bar with 25m lines.

Plummet
3988 posts
27 Oct 2017 1:22PM
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It turns into a depowered 8m!

Not a 7 or a 6.

theDoctor
NSW, 4226 posts
27 Oct 2017 4:32PM
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Turns into a grumpy, unresponsive bucking jellyfish. That's why kites come in different sizes....

pearl
NSW, 933 posts
27 Oct 2017 5:03PM
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^^^All of the above. ^^^. Unless your centre lines are stretched they don't fly well fully depowered; especially in gusty conditions. One of the characteristics of wave kites is they can shut the power fully off with minimum throw. I only ever like to use centre rigging knot on bridal and if I have to pull on full depower it's the wrong size kite. Direction of wind also comes into play, as to how well you handle being overpowered. 30kn is perfect 6m weather

IanR
NSW, 719 posts
27 Oct 2017 8:42PM
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pearl said..
One of the characteristics of wave kites is they can shut the power fully off with minimum throw.




I agree 100% with every thing else you say

But it is my experience that is a characteristic of all short bridle pulleyless kites.

Adam'KiteRepair
NSW, 218 posts
27 Oct 2017 11:26PM
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IanR said..

pearl said..
One of the characteristics of wave kites is they can shut the power fully off with minimum throw.





I agree 100% with every thing else you say

But it is my experience that is a characteristic of all short bridle pulleyless kites.


trll us again how great pulleys are!

IanR
NSW, 719 posts
28 Oct 2017 8:05AM
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I suppose that when your focus is pimping. The truth is trolling

Plummet
3988 posts
28 Oct 2017 5:29AM
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To get back on topic. You wont get 6m performance by pulling the trim strap on an 8m. You can easily ride an 8m reo in 30 knots. But you will be powered and jumping not riding waves down the line very well.

So.... change your style to powered 8m 30 knot riding or go in rig a 6m and keep riding your surf style riding.

Gone to dark side
NSW, 317 posts
28 Oct 2017 12:00PM
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Thanks Plummet I did come in and changed down to 5m Reo great little kite but being gusty 6m would have be better.

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 583 posts
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30 Oct 2017 10:02AM
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Just wanted to repeat, that "depowering" or trimming your kite does not make it smaller (or larger). Depower is a really poor choice of word to describe what we do when we pull in our let out the TRIM strap/rope.

When the wind is strong for the kite size you have chosen, or if the wind increases while you are kiting, you find that you are unable to keep the bar pulled in to a comfortable riding position, you end up in "pooman" stance. By shortening the front lines or trimming you effectively make the rear lines longer by the same amount and this allows you to ride again in a comfortable position.

So you can see that the term depowering is extremely misleading, as the action of shortening your front lines does not depower the kite, the power from the kite remains exactly the same, but its available to the rider now further towards them on the centre line.
The downside is that some kites, actually quite a lot have excessively long trim lines and they can make the rear lines to loose that the kite can hardly be steered or ridden and handles like a pig.

And then there is the trim system used by the top foil racers, that have up to 4-5 times normal trim length, because they can travel so fast that the kite is getting almost all of its power from the apparent wind. They trim in massively when pointing high upwind, and then when they got the point of tacking the release the front lines (make them longer) to keep the kite stable and to have the ability to steer it through the tack and then trim it again once they pick up speed, upwind, on the new tack. When they are flying downwind, they let all the trim out and keep the kite well "powered" and even a bit over trimmed.

IanR
NSW, 719 posts
30 Oct 2017 1:35PM
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Hi Gtds
Its all about Angle of Attack
You are changing the AoA when you sheet the bar in or out.
Pulling the Trim strap in reduces the maximum AoA avalible when sheeting. Once a kite reaches its minimum AoA it flys like crap
This page explains AoA well but a bit techie
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_of_attack

This is more about kites and AoA but more focused on the other end of the wind range
kitesurfculture.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/how-to-prevent-the-kite-to-stall.html



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