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Kitepower, is this the 15m or 17m Edge you are referring to? How would 2012 C415m with a twin tip go for light wind?

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Kitepower Australia said...

jacinto said...

Kitepower, is this the 15m or 17m Edge you are referring to? How would 2012 C415m with a twin tip go for light wind?

My post is comparing the 17M kites, but I have also flown the 15M and 13M Edges (as well as smaller sizes)
The 15M C4 has excellent bottom end if it is matched with a larger board like the Stella 1.46 or the large Chopstick 1.54 and Nobile Flying Carpet 1.60
The C4 in the right hands has only slightly less bottom end than the Edge 15M, but its a lot more fun to ride IMO.

How would you compare the bottom end of the C4 13M and the Edge 13M???

I have a c4 13M , and found the low end to be not bad, but not great. So I was considering buying a Edge 13M or a directional to improve my lowend.

Just got in from a session on my zephyr, this kite is such good fun around 13 to15 knts, sure it'll get you going from 8 knts, but it really comes alive in the teens , and will keep you on the water up to 20 knts, that's when you get the edge 11 out of the bag,

my 13 edge 2010 model has a wind range of 12-25 knots for this 82pie eating TT riding dude. the sweet zone is 16-20 knots.

its not as fast as a c4 or as dynamic. but its a power house. trucks upwind like a rocket and boosts and glides sweeeeeet. i like it for the 13-20 days.

if i want monster glide and train like power i reach for me 15m speed 3 that think glides insanely. but over 20 knots is silly.

djdojo said...

Nicor, before buying an Edge, let's make sure you're getting max low end from your C4. Two main factors:

Tuning - I generally run my C4s with slightly shorter rear lines than the factory setting (1 or 2 inches, by adjusting the knots under the floats at the bar). This will give more grunt, and let you put the kite deeper in the window for park and ride low end. It's not easy to stall these kites so be sure you're getting as much sheeting angle as they can handle.

Technique - Make sure you are sining the kite smoothly, with a sensitive touch on the bar. Let the bar out ever so slightly as you get to the bottom of the stroke and give it a smooth turn rather than a yank as you turn into the upstroke. Ride your board flatter than usual, with a bit more weight on your front foot.

If you get the tuning and technique dialled and still want more bottom end, I'd go straight to the Ozone Zephyr, especially if you're on a twintip. It's cheaper than an Edge, and will run perfectly on the bar you use for your 13m C4.

Actually my light wind riding is pretty good on my 13m c4. I would say I can get going fairly early compared to most based on skill, and if I use my big board I can do almost as well as anyone else. Just yesterday I was out in 10 knots gusting to about 15 knots at times, on my Nobile 50, and I was the last guy riding with the exception of one fellow on a Fat Lady.

The main issue I have is that I have to sine the kite a lot which requires a lot concentration which results in upwind angle being poor compared to other kites (like a rebel or Edge).

It seems like it would be nice to have a kite which tracks upwind well in those light wind days (12 knots with some lulls). BUT maybe its my perception and really I won't do much better with a 13M edge. Someone please tell me if I'm wrong on this!!

I will not buy a light wind specific kite, 15-17M. Where I kite, the wind is variable, and I don't like being too overpowered, which I have found with large kites. I'd prefer to stay with an efficient 12-13M kite which will act a well in light breeze, if you work it, but can handle higher wind speed too.

Yo nicor plummet and dj are giving you some good advice, the 13 is too close and after you've spent your hard earned you may regret it, the edge is a much better upwind than the zephyr, I was out in 18knt last night on the zephyr , I know its a lightwind kite but with theses winds its a wicked fun kite, but was hard to keep ground in straight cross wind conditions where the edge would of been easier, if your happy to just cruise in the 10 to 15 s as you mention then maybe get a lightwind board, flydoor, flyingcarpet, shinn king George, but if you want that extra then the bigger kite would be the go, see if you can demo, good luck

Well you can get a 15m c4. though i have never flown one.

based on that you are keeping the 13m c4 get the biggest bastard of a kite you can find. I was like you and thought i wouldn't use a massive kite very much. but i was wrong. they are session savers and make a boring session on your smaller kite a powered exciting session on your monster kite. imagine if you can go upwind in 8 knots... how much fun you can have in 12-15!.

Also all of a sudden wind condtions that you would normally flag are worthwhile. so they open up many more sessions that you otherwise wouldn't have had.

You'll not really get a straight answer to that.
Someone could relaunch relatively easily in 10knots whereas another would struggle in 12-15...
As with any of the other high aspect race kites, relaunching the larger Edges in light winds requires more knowledge and technique than lower aspect kites or the so called "auto relaunch" deltas.. It's just the nature of the beast; for high performance there's always a trade off..

Ultimately it depends what you mean by “light breeze”. The lighter the wind, the larger the kite required. With a large high aspect kite, physics are against you.. You'll struggle, but it's not impossible. Knowledge and technique will serve you best.