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Ozone joins the 1 strut club

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Created by Youngbreezy 1 month ago, 6 Nov 2018
Youngbreezy
WA, 444 posts
6 Nov 2018 9:55AM
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Youngbreezy
WA, 444 posts
6 Nov 2018 10:35AM
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According to the video the new Ozone alpha is amazing and it can do everything!! Which is exactly what I would say if I was selling this kite!!

In all seriousness the kite does look awesome, like somewhere between a reo and an enduro but with the lightweight 1 strut low wind and drift capabilities.

I am happy to see ozone getting in on the 1 strut game. From my experience with my airush ultra i am a big fan of the 1 strut platform and it actually does do foil, surf and twin tip quite well so i do somewhat believe ozones claim that the alpha is amazing at everything.

Also on a recent trip down south the North Mono's had a big presence in the lineup at Margaret River mainbreak which I believe says a lot for thier cred as a serious wave kite!!

1 strut kites are legit!!

Youngbreezy
WA, 444 posts
6 Nov 2018 10:38AM
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Also ozone is bringing out a version of this kite specifically for vegans, they are calling it the Alfalfa

Terry Mctool did not put me up to this but if he wants to send me a cheque or free kite gear i would be happy to take up pimping

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 674 posts
6 Nov 2018 12:45PM
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*meh*

eppo
WA, 6704 posts
6 Nov 2018 4:05PM
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Well the reo seems to come in at a comparable weight to the north mono. This kite should weigh less than Fck all.

eppo
WA, 6704 posts
6 Nov 2018 4:06PM
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Well the reo comes in at a comparable weight to the north mono from last weigh in, so I can only imagine how light this puppy will be. Be good to have a weigh off again mr Steve kitepower man...

ActionSportsWA
WA, 605 posts
6 Nov 2018 5:41PM
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I'm thinking this kite will be very good. I freefoiled the other day with the 7m V5 Reo and it was very good, the alpha should be even better. Looking forward to getting our demo's soon.

DM

RussKraut
VIC, 459 posts
6 Nov 2018 9:39PM
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They had the Uno for a few years now. Single strut. Up to 6m only but that's fine for nuking WA winds and foiling. Probably underrated as being sold as trainer kite.

cauncy
WA, 6534 posts
6 Nov 2018 6:55PM
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ActionSportsWA said..
I'm thinking this kite will be very good. I freefoiled the other day with the 7m V5 Reo and it was very good, the alpha should be even better. Looking forward to getting our demo's soon.

DM


Bring small sizes up for the windfest,


DukeSilver
WA, 228 posts
6 Nov 2018 9:33PM
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Yeah, it's about time that Ozone got with the program. I've seen Youngbreezy out on his Ultra foiling, and it's an impressive kite. Hopefully Ozone have spent all this time out of the 1 strut market perfecting the Alpha. I will definitely be in the market for an 8m version.

weebitbreezy
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6 Nov 2018 10:02PM
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eppo said..
Well the reo comes in at a comparable weight to the north mono from last weigh in, so I can only imagine how light this puppy will be. Be good to have a weigh off again mr Steve kitepower man...



The weights are on the ozone website (bolted onto the end of the windrange charts) ozonekites.com/products/water-kites/alpha-v1

The quoted weights are lighter than the airush ultra (2.2kg for the 10m alpha vs 2.45kg for the ultra 10m). Makes you wonder if they will bother developing a hyperlink V2 if this thing is so light and yet can do it all.

Looking forwards to a few reviews myself.

dafish
NSW, 1255 posts
7 Nov 2018 8:20AM
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I use the v4 6 Reo at around 18 to 20 knots to foil, then over 20+ I use a 4 Uno. It is a super fun kite to fly. Saying that I think I will just stick with the Reo as the V5 is such a fantastic kite and an improvement on the already super v4. This year I upgraded my 8 to a V5 and it's sensational. I wonder what the weight difference is between the two models. I can see a single strut being pretty good for traveling.

airsail
QLD, 298 posts
7 Nov 2018 8:09AM
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The 6 mtr Alpha is AUD$450 more than the 6mtr Uno, I wonder where the differences are?

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7 Nov 2018 10:58AM
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The 6 mtr Alpha is AUD$450 more than the 6mtr Uno, I wonder where the differences are?


Haha that's a fair point. I asked if it was a scaled up version of the Uno and Ozone said they tried this but it just didn't work in the bigger sizes so they had to start from scratch in their CAD program.

Would be interesting to compare the two 6m kites though.

snalberski
WA, 590 posts
7 Nov 2018 10:08AM
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I had a 9m Ultra which I liked but it wasn't being used when I got Hyperlinks. I had planned to keep it and use it for wave and freeride boosting and looping sessions so I emailed Airush and asked if it could withstand heavy extended looping sessions.
They advised against that treatment with that kite which wasn't an unexpected response so I sold it. Ozone seem to be indicating regular loading like looping as part of normal usage expectations for their mono strut kite, or am I reading to much into their promo?

eppo
WA, 6704 posts
7 Nov 2018 10:56AM
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You would have to surely be sensible here. Lack of frame support (especially in the bigger sizes) can only mean stress applied will make the canopy work much harder. It can only stretch it quicker... unless ozone have some new space age materials developed they haven't told us about.

Reckon you would be asking for trouble if you looped and loaded a single strut kite from any brand.

Surely ...??

eppo
WA, 6704 posts
7 Nov 2018 10:57AM
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weebitbreezy said..

eppo said..
Well the reo comes in at a comparable weight to the north mono from last weigh in, so I can only imagine how light this puppy will be. Be good to have a weigh off again mr Steve kitepower man...




The weights are on the ozone website (bolted onto the end of the windrange charts) ozonekites.com/products/water-kites/alpha-v1

The quoted weights are lighter than the airush ultra (2.2kg for the 10m alpha vs 2.45kg for the ultra 10m). Makes you wonder if they will bother developing a hyperlink V2 if this thing is so light and yet can do it all.

Looking forwards to a few reviews myself.


So what does the same size reo weigh then ?

airsail
QLD, 298 posts
7 Nov 2018 2:14PM
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From Kitefotum, 2.6 kg for the Reo 10 mtr






snalberski
WA, 590 posts
7 Nov 2018 1:07PM
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eppo said..
You would have to surely be sensible here. Lack of frame support (especially in the bigger sizes) can only mean stress applied will make the canopy work much harder. It can only stretch it quicker... unless ozone have some new space age materials developed they haven't told us about.

Reckon you would be asking for trouble if you looped and loaded a single strut kite from any brand.

Surely ...??


Exactly.... that's why I bought an Enduro

cauncy
WA, 6534 posts
7 Nov 2018 1:21PM
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snalberski said..

eppo said..
You would have to surely be sensible here. Lack of frame support (especially in the bigger sizes) can only mean stress applied will make the canopy work much harder. It can only stretch it quicker... unless ozone have some new space age materials developed they haven't told us about.

Reckon you would be asking for trouble if you looped and loaded a single strut kite from any brand.

Surely ...??



Exactly.... that's why I bought an Enduro


I rode the earl gaish trip
great in low end winds, holy crap when the wind increased it was like jellyfish piss flaps

Youngbreezy
WA, 444 posts
7 Nov 2018 3:38PM
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eppo said..
You would have to surely be sensible here. Lack of frame support (especially in the bigger sizes) can only mean stress applied will make the canopy work much harder. It can only stretch it quicker... unless ozone have some new space age materials developed they haven't told us about.

Reckon you would be asking for trouble if you looped and loaded a single strut kite from any brand.

Surely ...??


I would agree with this and would say canopy stability and ultimate top end is the big compromise in 1 strut kite design, which is obvious really!

Over the last couple years i have moved away from twin tips and focused a lot more on surf and to a lesser extent foiling. From my limited experience tt boosting on the airush ultra ( 3 sessions exactly) I have been pleasantly surprised by it's jumping ability. I have been out in winds 20-25 Knots and the boosting and hangtime in this range is really good, it seems pretty close to my old 10m naish pivot. BUT I wouldn't be confident with the ultra in winds much above 25knots whereas I have been out on the pivot many times in winds around 30 knots and could hold down a lot more power.

In order to maintain control and stop the canopy flapping you need to ride a bit more sheeted in and maintain rear line tension. As you start to reach the top end this becomes more difficult also when the canopy flaps in stronger winds its a lot more violent and worrying than in low winds. It's at this point where a 1 strut kite tops out and something with more struts shine through. With that said because the ultra fly's really forward in the window it doesn't get overpowered too quickly and is manageable as it approaches its top end, but top end isn't what it's designed for and everything has its limitations.

For my quiver I will keep 3 struts for the smaller sizes and 1 strut for the bigger. I currently have 7m wave 9m ultra but will get 5m wave very soon and 12m ultra after summer.

Overall it's a matter of horses for courses if you ride styles where the kite is in the lower end of its power band, surf or foil, then 1 struts can be awesome but if your maxing out twin tip boosting your gonna need the most solid frame you can find.

weebitbreezy
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7 Nov 2018 8:02PM
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Youngbreezy said..

With that said because the ultra fly's really forward in the window it doesn't get overpowered too quickly and is manageable as it approaches its top end, but top end isn't what it's designed for and everything has its limitations.



IMHO thats the reason why the Ultra isn't brilliant for boosting. Its a little too easy to edge the kite to the edge of the window so you can easily overwhelm it with edge when you set up to jump. Its designed in though as you'd never be able to generate the same level of edge on a foil so its a necessary design characteristic.

I'd be amazed if its not the same for the Ozone alpha but I'm willing to wait for test reports as it may turn out to be a winner.

drsurf
NSW, 4 posts
8 Nov 2018 12:11AM
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eppo said..
You would have to surely be sensible here. Lack of frame support (especially in the bigger sizes) can only mean stress applied will make the canopy work much harder. It can only stretch it quicker... unless ozone have some new space age materials developed they haven't told us about.

Reckon you would be asking for trouble if you looped and loaded a single strut kite from any brand.

Surely ...??


Try the Naish Boxer single strut www.naishkites.com/product/boxer
Quad-Tex ripstop fabric and good all round performance. I have a 5m Boxer which works great with my foil but when the wind's up it's good on a twin tip with surprisingly floaty jumps and also fast turning with good drift on a surfboard.
No fluttering and really strong construction, short of smashing it hard onto oyster covered rocks I reckon you could loop and load it all day and it wouldn't affect it at all. The quad-tex canopy really looks and feels bomber.

Having fun, Dave

sonny2727
VIC, 116 posts
8 Nov 2018 8:35AM
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I don't see the point of 1 strut kites unless you are dedicated wave foiler. It doesn't do anything better than any other kite type. If you need low weight you have BRM cloud , upwind/fast and low weight then foil kites, all round kite then 3 strut. this is a market segment created for just dumping more kites

Kamikuza
QLD, 3500 posts
8 Nov 2018 8:00AM
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I don't see the point of 1 strut kites unless you are dedicated wave foiler. It doesn't do anything better than any other kite type. If you need low weight you have BRM cloud , upwind/fast and low weight then foil kites, all round kite then 3 strut. this is a market segment created for just dumping more kites


The way I heard it, you can't get BRM kites outside of the US any more, and the supply is very limited...

vendeavours
VIC, 315 posts
8 Nov 2018 11:37AM
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Hopefully Steve will have one at MAMBO this year ??? To Demo

Youngbreezy
WA, 444 posts
8 Nov 2018 8:59AM
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sonny2727 said..
I don't see the point of 1 strut kites unless you are dedicated wave foiler. It doesn't do anything better than any other kite type. If you need low weight you have BRM cloud , upwind/fast and low weight then foil kites, all round kite then 3 strut. this is a market segment created for just dumping more kites


I strongly disagree! Firstly BRM cloud is only available in the US which for me means i can pretty much forget about it, I am not about to wrangle some sort of deal to get a kite over here and pay a lot extra for something with effectively no warranty or customer support.

There are other strutless kites available on the international market but there is a good reason why all the major brands have brought out 1 strut kites instead of no strut kites. The 3 main factors as I see it- relaunch, upwind and wind range. All of these are undeniably ( someone's definitely gonna argue this one) better with a 1 strut kite than with a no strut kite. Effectively with a 1 strut kite you get the advantages of having a very light weight kite but still retain the user friendly characteristics of a normal LEI.

You say if you want an all rounder just get a 3 strut kite? Yes this is mostly true but a 3 strut kite will not match the performance of a 1 strut kite in the very low end. With the light weight comes the ability to fly comfortably and relaunch in very low winds but also the kite retains its agility, responsiveness and drift at its lowest end. If you are foiling or riding waves these advantages are immediately apparent.

Foil kites? These serve a different purpose and have a lot less cross over abilities, sure some are great at twin tip as well as foiling but they are pretty much a no go in the surf. I am yet to see anyone out at one of WA's serious reef breaks riding waves on a foil, no thanks

Also in WA we have sharks and I often kite very far out in the ocean, when you consider all the factors a 1 strut kite has the best chance of getting you back to shore safely.

Sure there are kites that do specific things better but the 1 strut platform makes for a great easy to use LEI with some real advantages and therefore I believe it's not a gimmick and here to stay.

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8 Nov 2018 1:17PM
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vendeavours said..
Hopefully Steve will have one at MAMBO this year ??? To Demo


Yep, our demo order should arrive in time.

Ozone Kites Aus
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10 Nov 2018 10:12AM
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eppo said..

weebitbreezy said..


eppo said..
Well the reo comes in at a comparable weight to the north mono from last weigh in, so I can only imagine how light this puppy will be. Be good to have a weigh off again mr Steve kitepower man...





The weights are on the ozone website (bolted onto the end of the windrange charts) ozonekites.com/products/water-kites/alpha-v1

The quoted weights are lighter than the airush ultra (2.2kg for the 10m alpha vs 2.45kg for the ultra 10m). Makes you wonder if they will bother developing a hyperlink V2 if this thing is so light and yet can do it all.

Looking forwards to a few reviews myself.



So what does the same size reo weigh then ?


Well in between getting up and breakfast I checked the forecast hoping for a miracle and then stumbled on this thread. I recently bought a small cooking scale to weigh stuff for the website, so I went and weighed 4 kites. These are not new kites and were slightly damp and had some sand on them.
6m Uno V2 - 1.657
6m Reo V5 - 1.997
8m Reo V5 - 2.360
10M Reo V5 - 2.777
The Alpha V1 6m - 1.70, 8m - 2.0kg and 10m - 2.2kg
What does this all mean? Not sure, other than Ozone knows how to make light kites that fly very well and so I hope the Alpha V1 will live up to that reputation. My boss Iain, his friends and their kids have been putting the Alpha through its paces and they are really happy with it. Minimal flutter, great bottom end, excellent turn rate and drift and particularly aimed at foiling and lightweight travel kites suitable for wave riding and TT freeriding.
Unfortunately Ozone released the Alpha V1 without much lead time for dealers to get hold of stock, so we are all still a week or so away from getting our demo's.
Ozone is not new to single strut kite, they have had the Uno in their lineup for several years now, but they found that the overall design did not work well in any size larger than 6m, and the Uno was also not designed to have an adult weight hanging off it.
Kite foiling is going to continue to grow and this is what drove Ozone to design a single strut kite. In the process they discovered that single strutters do not work well in sizes larger than 12m, the lack of canopy support leads to ever diminishing performance in terms of upwind and wind range.
We have the Ozone Enduro V2 in 14M which is an excellent kite in lighter winds or for big people, and the Zephyr and Edges for tube kite low end, and for extreme low end we have all the foil kites, especially the UL versions. My 13M Chrono3 UL has more bottom end than my Zephyr V5, as many people up around home in Lennox have seen many times now.
Weight is critical in low end performance and stability and Ozone is sticking with Technoforce D2 for that reason. Teijin approached Ozone with samples of 3 and 4 strand ripstop materials, Ozone tested them for strength and durability and found no real difference other than weight. With anything that flies low weight and performance are linked, and great designers pursue them both with a passion!

If you want to watch one aviators obsession with weight and performance in a remarkable feat of engineering in a "bush plane" watch this series of vids on Mike Patey and his amazing aircraft


Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 684 posts
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17 Nov 2018 3:01PM
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Got the first demos in yesterday. The 10m is at KP now the 8/12 are in Lennox now. I'll be taking the 8/10 to Merrimbula. Just need some wind now to test them. There a light ENE now though and I'll head down to the beach to unpack one and take some more pics/vid....



Brohan
VIC, 505 posts
17 Nov 2018 4:42PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..
Got the first demos in yesterday. The 10m is at KP now the 8/12 are in Lennox now. I'll be taking the 8/10 to Merrimbula. Just need some wind now to test them. There a light ENE now though and I'll head down to the beach to unpack one and take some more pics/vid....




Why didn't they go with the normal Ozone bags? These look like plastic bags....?



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