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The New Switch kitebar gets it right !

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Created by SaveTheWhales 2 months ago, 14 Oct 2017
SaveTheWhales
WA, 1497 posts
14 Oct 2017 7:22AM
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Im very impressed that they finally "Listened to the public on the forums"
and completely changed to what we recomended.
Theres even an adjustable high Y splitter

eppo
WA, 6355 posts
14 Oct 2017 8:18AM
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Some questions if people know ...

So have they got rid of that useless above bar swivel? Looks like it.

Is that PU covering the depower rope ?

Tell me more about the high Y adjustability. Does this imply we could use these bars now on a north kite (i don't want to debate whether you can or can't use a low Y on a north kite....you can but it's sh1t).

Simple bar that is affordable and universal.

If so, well done switch.

All these bells and whistles are giving me the absolute sh1ts.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1497 posts
14 Oct 2017 8:27AM
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Theyve got videos on everything attached to the bar.. looks great compared to top dollar bars..
They also have a Pro-bar coming for Unhooked 5 line Legacy ready.








The well proven simple flag / front line connection..


Im thinking Marcs Cool as - high flying sea dog must have chewed his old bar up... thanks Pooch




toppleover
QLD, 1242 posts
14 Oct 2017 1:10PM
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I've read that the new 55cm bar is actually 61cm in total length & 55cm between the rear lines.
Just something to consider if you were going to order one.

bjw
NSW, 2324 posts
14 Oct 2017 3:39PM
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Well done BWS?

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1497 posts
14 Oct 2017 1:02PM
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bjw said..
Well done BWS?


Im happy too see kite companies share their technology if it means Safer equipment for all riders..

And BWS has got a great bar share going on too... you may recognise it
BWS Surf Blue Chip bar





lostatsea
WA, 126 posts
14 Oct 2017 1:05PM
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I have been holding off on putting up a review of the new bar, as I haven't tested a solution to a issue I had on the new bar!!! Heres my first thoughts. No affiliation with any brand.

C4 bar
Pros
* ATB swivel gone
* easy flag system works ------- but has new potenial issue in QR
* Lines are the same quality, 20m + 3m standard
* the bar floats now
* its a lot lighter- really noticeable
* soft ends

Cons
* The NEW farking QR caught the flag line --- this could have gone really bad, potentially worse than the C3 issue because the kite will spin, I have been emailing switch and they have assured me its just to do with the line not being tightened at the factory properly, WTF!!! they have sent me a doc on how to tighten it properly but it still slightly catches!!! bottom pic - 5kgs on flag line didn't pull through CL
* QR will be harder to reset on water, its got a little flicky RECESSED latch that keeps falling back, you have to flip it upside and to side to set
* High V option is not high at all, it is not high enough for use on a north kite, almost right length if you were to swap that line upside down
* bar finish does not appear as high quality the C3
* no line stopper - I like doing deadmans
* trim strap is thin and looks cheap

Neutral
* Softer grip on bar, feels like a late model north but isn't as nicely finished, I prefer the C3 grip
* PU rope slides nice but I prefer ropes, never had an issue with C3, only normal rope and bar insert wear
* as toppleover mentioned its bigger than the C3 but I didn't measure it
* the bar wrap seams looks like it will peel easy- hasn't yet
* I prefer the old bar centre piece and trim cleat
* short leash is standard with
* line holder lackys don't retract back in like the C3 bar

It looks a lot like a cab bar now, completely different to the C3 bar, feels like it should be cheaper than the C3 (poor finishes, wont affect use just looks crap). It has potential to be a great bar for price but have no confidence in the new QR, I will mod my C3 bar with the C4 parts when they become available, if I keep the C4 bar - the PU and QR have to go!











SaveTheWhales
WA, 1497 posts
14 Oct 2017 1:30PM
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Is it the thickness of the front line coupling - catching at the Quick release hole ?

lostatsea
WA, 126 posts
14 Oct 2017 1:37PM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Is it the thickness of the front line - catching at the Quick release hole ?


its from the loop join, the join is big enough not to go through the black stopper but a bit too big to fit through the QR properly, if the QR had a 1mm larger diameter through hole it would not be an issue at all



SaveTheWhales
WA, 1497 posts
14 Oct 2017 2:41PM
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Ahh thought so - on the BWS undertow bar videos, it looks like the front line loop is narrower..

Is it possible the factory have got the front lines mixed up or wrong end attached ?

Keep us informed of any info updates - lives are Dependant on proper working Safetys..

shi thouse
WA, 620 posts
14 Oct 2017 2:55PM
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That BWS bar is just a copy of the Ocean Rodeo bar


toppleover
QLD, 1242 posts
14 Oct 2017 5:31PM
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shi thouse said..
That BWS bar is just a copy of the Ocean Rodeo bar



From what I could understand it's not a copy but exactly the same bar made by the same manufacturer - just made for a different client to their specs.
Clients are OR & BWS....

cauncy
WA, 5610 posts
14 Oct 2017 4:29PM
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Just found one on dongara beach, looks refined compared to last one, some shape and finger profile would make it even better,
so if you've lost one it's at my cafe
You know the drill, I like Guinness

EastCC
QLD, 229 posts
14 Oct 2017 6:47PM
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toppleover said..


shi thouse said..
That BWS bar is just a copy of the Ocean Rodeo bar





From what I could understand it's not a copy but exactly the same bar made by the same manufacturer - just made for a different client to their specs.
Clients are OR & BWS....



Yep, R3 designs (Richard, Ross, Rudo) own the open groove bar, trim knob and stopper. Designs started way back in 2010.

Anyways, back on track, the Switch bar looks good, The QR, PU tube and cleat have been in circulation for some time now and work great. I've found it easy to reset, swivel works great and its easy to replace parts when required.
A stopper would be a nice addition though I agree.

snalberski
WA, 430 posts
14 Oct 2017 5:24PM
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lostatsea said..

SaveTheWhales said..
Is it the thickness of the front line - catching at the Quick release hole ?



its from the loop join, the join is big enough not to go through the black stopper but a bit too big to fit through the QR properly, if the QR had a 1mm larger diameter through hole it would not be an issue at all




I modded my C3 with the Ozone stopper and trim bracket. It works perfectly when flagging but I have found a problem.... there is a potential for the larks head knot to squeeze through the hole in the stopper ball. This happened to me a few times after loading the kite ultra hard / kitelooping. Initially I just replaced the stopper ball and tied a knot in the safety line at the stopper ball to provide a larger knot as I was in Mauritius at the time. This worked but when I got home I wanted to sort it out properly so I made up my own safety line out of 3mm dynema. This provided a much larger knot that had no possibility of pulling through the stopper ball (even if slightly worn), but conversely got hung up when traveling through the chicken loop/ QR assembly. Strangely I did it on 2 bars and the 2nd has no issue.... the splice must have been marginally narrower on the second one.
This sound exactly like what is described above and is potentially a real failure point. I had planned to mention this to Switch but by this time their new design was done and dusted.

snalberski
WA, 430 posts
14 Oct 2017 5:32PM
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I will mod my C3 bar with the C4 parts when they become available, if I keep the C4 bar - the PU and QR have to go!

I was told by Felix that C2/C3 chicken loop assemblies are not and will not be available in the future. They "no longer have the moulds".
Thats annoying for people like me that have bits that need replacing on C2/C3 bars. In fairness he did offer to give me all his old bars for the price of shipping!










sir ROWDY
WA, 5283 posts
21 Oct 2017 12:47PM
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Ozone has basically had that same setup for years... components are also same as BWS bar by the looks of it. Nothing new here except some updated bar ends. Looks good though, I like simplicity (bar ends look sleek and fairly catch free).

JBFletch
QLD, 1198 posts
21 Oct 2017 7:25PM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Im very impressed that they finally "Listened to the public on the forums"
and completely changed to what we recommended.



You mean they have just bought an "off the shelf" 3P bar.
With the same features as other brands, just a different colour.

I guess if you buy cheap you get cheap.

If i was you, i'd be buying a slingshot, north, core bar that actually works and rig it for your switch kite.
At least you'll know the safety is actually going to work.

Livit
WA, 336 posts
21 Oct 2017 7:48PM
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JBFletch said..

SaveTheWhales said..
Im very impressed that they finally "Listened to the public on the forums"
and completely changed to what we recommended.




You mean they have just bought an "off the shelf" 3P bar.
With the same features as other brands, just a different colour.

I guess if you buy cheap you get cheap.

If i was you, i'd be buying a slingshot, north, core bar that actually works and rig it for your switch kite.
At least you'll know the safety is actually going to work.


Remember that expensive NORTH Whip that was built like a turd? Sometimes you buy expensive and you get cheap.... Just sayin'

Chris_M
1531 posts
22 Oct 2017 3:37PM
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JBFletch said..


I guess if you buy cheap you get cheap.



I was thinking about that comment when I was out kiting today..... aside from replacing my centre line recently and putting on new lines, the bar itself (and chicken loop and other hardware) are still in perfect condition. It's a C3 and is coming up on it's 3rd season of use as my only bar. Gets frequent use. Usually at least once a week throughout winter, and I'm on holiday over summer so kiting as many days as possible.

So... I disagree

sir ROWDY
WA, 5283 posts
23 Oct 2017 6:08AM
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Livit said..



Remember that expensive NORTH Whip that was built like a turd? Sometimes you buy expensive and you get cheap.... Just sayin'


hahaha.
Remember when a kitesurfing company shaped a nice surfboard? I don't. I agree Norths surfboards are average, but so are everyone elses. Stiff hard boards built to last will never ride that nice (also a good surf shaper is pretty important, something which most Kite companies don't have).

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1497 posts
23 Oct 2017 6:25AM
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I bought 2 C1 bars, long and short custom builds for Nasty storms.
Very cheap and strong as hell !
Naish Quick release.
Mutiny Twist free swivel (yes the same one ive been using last few years ! )
The grip sucked - and replaced with $3 ebay soft bike foam grips from taiwan. Kite all day comfy as and not slippery when wet.
Best bar grip mod ive done yet.


Any latest news on the fault ?
Im curious with all the testing they do - it wasnt instantly noticed... unless the factory changed the line brand or stitching method for production ?

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 527 posts
23 Oct 2017 11:13AM
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How guys can kite with below the bar depower systems, is a miracle in itself really. Just saying.

lostatsea
WA, 126 posts
23 Oct 2017 10:40AM
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SaveTheWhales said..
I bought 2 C1 bars, long and short custom builds for Nasty storms.
Very cheap and strong as hell !
Naish Quick release.
Mutiny Twist free swivel (yes the same one ive been using last few years ! )
The grip sucked - and replaced with $3 ebay soft bike foam grips from taiwan. Kite all day comfy as and not slippery when wet.
Best bar grip mod ive done yet.


Any latest news on the fault ?
Im curious with all the testing they do - it wasnt instantly noticed... unless the factory changed the line brand or stitching method for production ?


The switch "fix" did not fix it, still got caught. So I took it apart and found one pin must have been inserted too far, reset the pin and worked fine. Also noted the C3 QR has 6.5mm straight centre and the C4 QR has 6.0mm centre but has a slight bend due to design but both bar use the same lines might not seem like much but the C3 swivel issue was similar tolerances

Saffer
VIC, 4240 posts
23 Oct 2017 3:52PM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Im very impressed that they finally "Listened to the public on the forums"
and completely changed to what we recomended.
Theres even an adjustable high Y splitter


We're super stoked about our super bar on our super kite with our super chicken loop. We wanted to keep things super simple so that people wouldn't get super confused about our super kit bar. :p

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 527 posts
23 Oct 2017 3:13PM
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Saffer said..

SaveTheWhales said..
Im very impressed that they finally "Listened to the public on the forums"
and completely changed to what we recomended.
Theres even an adjustable high Y splitter



We're super stoked about our super bar on our super kite with our super chicken loop. We wanted to keep things super simple so that people wouldn't get super confused about our super kit bar. :p


Hehe... this thread is turning into another "How to fix the bridle system on a PANSH kite - to get it to fly right!".

Saffer
VIC, 4240 posts
23 Oct 2017 4:33PM
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NorthernKitesAUS said..

Saffer said..


SaveTheWhales said..
Im very impressed that they finally "Listened to the public on the forums"
and completely changed to what we recomended.
Theres even an adjustable high Y splitter




We're super stoked about our super bar on our super kite with our super chicken loop. We wanted to keep things super simple so that people wouldn't get super confused about our super kit bar. :p



Hehe... this thread is turning into another "How to fix the bridle system on a PANSH kite - to get it to fly right!".


I was just laughing because I'm not sure he got enough "supers" into the video

toppleover
QLD, 1242 posts
23 Oct 2017 3:57PM
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Saffer said..

NorthernKitesAUS said..


Saffer said..



SaveTheWhales said..
Im very impressed that they finally "Listened to the public on the forums"
and completely changed to what we recomended.
Theres even an adjustable high Y splitter





We're super stoked about our super bar on our super kite with our super chicken loop. We wanted to keep things super simple so that people wouldn't get super confused about our super kit bar. :p




Hehe... this thread is turning into another "How to fix the bridle system on a PANSH kite - to get it to fly right!".



I was just laughing because I'm not sure he got enough "supers" into the video


What do you expect from a super Kiter

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1497 posts
23 Oct 2017 6:05PM
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lostatsea said..

SaveTheWhales said..
I bought 2 C1 bars, long and short custom builds for Nasty storms.
Very cheap and strong as hell !
Naish Quick release.
Mutiny Twist free swivel (yes the same one ive been using last few years ! )
The grip sucked - and replaced with $3 ebay soft bike foam grips from taiwan. Kite all day comfy as and not slippery when wet.
Best bar grip mod ive done yet.


Any latest news on the fault ?
Im curious with all the testing they do - it wasnt instantly noticed... unless the factory changed the line brand or stitching method for production ?



The switch "fix" did not fix it, still got caught. So I took it apart and found one pin must have been inserted too far, reset the pin and worked fine. Also noted the C3 QR has 6.5mm straight centre and the C4 QR has 6.0mm centre but has a slight bend due to design but both bar use the same lines might not seem like much but the C3 swivel issue was similar tolerances


Good to hear you found the problem... Switch should do a Safety recall just like Cab and the others plus give you some free stuff for finding the solution

As for the other tossers lol I'll have a beer with you girls at the windfest cheer up buttercups.

salt
VIC, 596 posts
26 Oct 2017 12:27PM
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last time i was on we weren't allowed to talk about switch, good to see we can talk about any kites we want.

bjw
NSW, 2324 posts
26 Oct 2017 4:16PM
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salt said..
last time i was on we weren't allowed to talk about switch, good to see we can talk about any kites we want.


First rule of Fight Club - don't talk about Switch Kites.

The amount of discussion about Switch is way more than actual kiters at my beaches. We have 2 and one of them seems to love kiting through the flags



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