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Urgent - New Wave Kite - Neo, Reo, Airush Wave, Drift, Pivot

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Created by SBoards 1 month ago, 19 May 2018
SBoards
WA, 8 posts
19 May 2018 12:24AM
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Hi there,

I have been riding a Pivot 2016 8m (until crashed it against the rocks last weekend). I had chosen this model as 1 kite quiver, cos it is published having a good low-end and a very light bar pressure (confirmed the nice bar pressure). I exclusively ride waves.

I have enjoyed it, but not the almost zero power in turns; I have also noticed that it needs some steering to be always generating some aparent wind (not good for my right elbow health which is very poor).

So now I need to URGENTLY buy a new kite, but one very important factor is to protect my elbow health. So, I'm wondering about some factores among the kites mentioned in subject:

Bar pressure :
Steering need :
Low-End :

So please if someone has tried at least 2 of these kites can please compare the above 3 factors in a scale 1 to 10?

Example (I have tried North Neo 2016 against Naish Pivot 2016 :

Neo 2016 8m / Pivot 2016 8m:
Bar pressure : 7 / 4
Steering need : 4 / 7
Low-End : 8 / 7


Many thanks in Advance

Big hug from Portugal

jonnydiesel
WA, 33 posts
19 May 2018 12:29AM
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Try the Eleveight WS from Tom Exmouth Kite Centre

SBoards
WA, 8 posts
19 May 2018 12:44AM
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jonnydiesel said..
Try the Eleveight WS from Tom Exmouth Kite Centre


Thanks for the advise but I'm deciding among those kites. I don't have anything more available in Portugal.

railbanger
WA, 10 posts
19 May 2018 5:03AM
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I haven't tried the pivot but the new Neo's are great. The benefit of the Neo's is that you can adjust the bridles to obtain the bar pressure & turning speed you desire. The 2018 Neo's seem to have a bit better turning speed and depower ability than the 2016 model.

toppleover
QLD, 1342 posts
19 May 2018 7:18AM
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SBoards said..
Hi there,

I have been riding a Pivot 2016 8m (until crashed it against the rocks last weekend). I had chosen this model as 1 kite quiver, cos it is published having a good low-end and a very light bar pressure (confirmed the nice bar pressure). I exclusively ride waves.

I have enjoyed it, but not the almost zero power in turns; I have also noticed that it needs some steering to be always generating some aparent wind (not good for my right elbow health which is very poor).

So now I need to URGENTLY buy a new kite, but one very important factor is to protect my elbow health. So, I'm wondering about some factores among the kites mentioned in subject:

Bar pressure :
Steering need :
Low-End :

So please if someone has tried at least 2 of these kites can please compare the above 3 factors in a scale 1 to 10?

Example (I have tried North Neo 2016 against Naish Pivot 2016 :

Neo 2016 8m / Pivot 2016 8m:
Bar pressure : 7 / 4
Steering need : 4 / 7
Low-End : 8 / 7


Many thanks in Advance

Big hug from Portugal


My mate has dodgey elbows & just recently changed from 2016 Pivots to 2018 AR Waves & mentioned that he is experiencing much less elbow issues.

Gazuki
WA, 705 posts
19 May 2018 11:40AM
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Core section, lightest bar pressure of all.

vendeavours
VIC, 296 posts
19 May 2018 2:42PM
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All new dedicated wave kite have low bar pressure and Good turning But find that they very in low / high end I prefer for me the high end With Reo And love low end of Neo Have not used wave but have noticed it dose not drift as well as Reo

Youngbreezy
WA, 355 posts
19 May 2018 4:54PM
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But what about pulleys

dowls
NSW, 229 posts
19 May 2018 7:12PM
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Only use AR waves 6 9 12 never problem with pullies.
6m was 2013 been flogged retired this year because of inflate valve.
fast light bar and tough.
fixed my elbow by down wind wave riding.

toppleover
QLD, 1342 posts
19 May 2018 8:37PM
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Youngbreezy said..
But what about pulleys


What about them ?
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vendeavours said..
All new dedicated wave kite have low bar pressure and Good turning But find that they very in low / high end I prefer for me the high end With Reo And love low end of Neo Have not used wave but have noticed it dose not drift as well as Reo


Was that the 2018 Wave that you noticed not drifting as good as your Reo ?
A mate has the latest AR Waves & they make great foiling kites, just hang there in the lightest breeze.
I have 2018 Drifters, great kites for wave/foil but bar pressure is more than Wave/Reo so probably not going to help OP,s elbow.

vendeavours
VIC, 296 posts
19 May 2018 9:53PM
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toppleover said..

Youngbreezy said..
But what about pulleys



What about them ?

vendeavours said..
All new dedicated wave kite have low bar pressure and Good turning But find that they very in low / high end I prefer for me the high end With Reo And love low end of Neo Have not used wave but have noticed it dose not drift as well as Reo



Was that the 2018 Wave that you noticed not drifting as good as your Reo ?
A mate has the latest AR Waves & they make great foiling kites, just hang there in the lightest breeze.
I have 2018 Drifters, great kites for wave/foil but bar pressure is more than Wave/Reo so probably not going to help OP,s elbow.


Yes it was 2018 AR Wave But It may of been the kiter not the kite ??

SBoards
WA, 8 posts
20 May 2018 2:38AM
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railbanger said..
I haven't tried the pivot but the new Neo's are great. The benefit of the Neo's is that you can adjust the bridles to obtain the bar pressure & turning speed you desire. The 2018 Neo's seem to have a bit better turning speed and depower ability than the 2016 model.


Hi.

Can you compare the Neo's bar pressure with anyone of the mentioned kites. Is Neo that kind of kite that you can park or does it need a littel of constant steering?

Zebra80
NSW, 352 posts
20 May 2018 9:08AM
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SBoards said..
Hi there,

I have been riding a Pivot 2016 8m (until crashed it against the rocks last weekend). I had chosen this model as 1 kite quiver, cos it is published having a good low-end and a very light bar pressure (confirmed the nice bar pressure). I exclusively ride waves.

I have enjoyed it, but not the almost zero power in turns; I have also noticed that it needs some steering to be always generating some aparent wind (not good for my right elbow health which is very poor).

So now I need to URGENTLY buy a new kite, but one very important factor is to protect my elbow health. So, I'm wondering about some factores among the kites mentioned in subject:

Bar pressure :
Steering need :
Low-End :

So please if someone has tried at least 2 of these kites can please compare the above 3 factors in a scale 1 to 10?

Example (I have tried North Neo 2016 against Naish Pivot 2016 :

Neo 2016 8m / Pivot 2016 8m:
Bar pressure : 7 / 4
Steering need : 4 / 7
Low-End : 8 / 7


Many thanks in Advance

Big hug from Portugal



Dont forget Most important is the little part that you conect your chicken loop on it that is what makes the difference
Not the brand model or year

downwinder76
NSW, 12 posts
21 May 2018 12:43AM
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Hi SP,

i would recommend the WS from Eleveight - www.eleveightkites.com/products/kites/ws-series - check the www a lot of useful info.

If you are in Portugal, we are located in Gunicho, so you can try the kites. Is not easy to compare with other kites but the WS is very close to the REO.
Your Pivot is a very grunty kite (was). The WS has a fantastic low end but is not like a truck. I personal much more prefer a smooth power development.

Cheers,

Rob

strekke
63 posts
21 May 2018 3:01AM
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If you're coming of Naish Pivot and exclusively ride waves, why is the Naish Slash not on your list? I compared it back to back to the Neo. Neo is gruntier with heavier bar pressure, and more "sheet and go". Pivots around its wingtip without generating power, and then shoots forward generating power. More grunt/obvious power per size when compared to the Slash. Slash requires more movement to get going, so less "sheet and go"/obvious low end, but once up to speed, it trucks along nicely with lighter bar pressure and good upwind. Slash also generates more pull in the turns, and shuts off power better than the Neo. Both wave kites, but very different approach/riding style required. Both drift nicely, but I prefer the Slash for more active flying & less grunt but also total power-shut-off on the wave. Also tried the Airush Wave - also nice kite for the waves; closer to the Slash than to the Neo in terms of required riding style etc. All 9m btw.

SBoards
WA, 8 posts
22 May 2018 4:13AM
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strekke said..
If you're coming of Naish Pivot and exclusively ride waves, why is the Naish Slash not on your list? I compared it back to back to the Neo. Neo is gruntier with heavier bar pressure, and more "sheet and go". Pivots around its wingtip without generating power, and then shoots forward generating power. More grunt/obvious power per size when compared to the Slash. Slash requires more movement to get going, so less "sheet and go"/obvious low end, but once up to speed, it trucks along nicely with lighter bar pressure and good upwind. Slash also generates more pull in the turns, and shuts off power better than the Neo. Both wave kites, but very different approach/riding style required. Both drift nicely, but I prefer the Slash for more active flying & less grunt but also total power-shut-off on the wave. Also tried the Airush Wave - also nice kite for the waves; closer to the Slash than to the Neo in terms of required riding style etc. All 9m btw.


Hi Strekke,

Could you please compare the bar pressure of these kites (scale from 1 to 10 please)?

Slash
Neo
Pivot
Airush Wave

Thanks mate

strekke
63 posts
22 May 2018 10:27PM
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SBoards said..

Hi Strekke,

Could you please compare the bar pressure of these kites (scale from 1 to 10 please)?

Slash
Neo
Pivot
Airush Wave

Thanks mate


Well that's kind of difficult because I didn't test them all back to back in the same session.

The Airush Wave I tested in more powered conditions than the Slash vs Neo (I think), and bar pressure was light-ish, close to the the Slash I would say, but maybe with a bigger throw if I remember correctly. In any case, I remember it depowering/shutting of completely nicely, but then it also kind of started flapping, which is something I have not found the Slash do.

The Pivot I only tested in 7m vs the Slash 6m - Pivot was definitely gruntier and kept pulling harder than the Slash on the wave, so less complete shut off. If I remember correctly, bar pressure on the Slash was a bit lighter (but then again, I was comparing 6m Slash vs 7m Pivot, so that doesn't really count).

Anyways, from my limited experience with these kites, I would say bar pressure wise when powered up:

Neo: 6,5/10
Pivot: 6/10
Airush Wave: 4.5/10
Slash: 4/10

But you should take this numbers with a grain of salt, since I didn't test them all in the same size back to back.

That being said, and as stated by someone else above, I have tried some Core kites (GTS3 & XR) in the past, and both of those had light bar pressure. If I'm not mistaken, Core kites are known for having a low bar pressure, so if the Section follows that logic, I'd give that a go. Also try to maybe read some reviews on kitefinder.com or realwatersports.com etc.

SBoards
WA, 8 posts
23 May 2018 12:17AM
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downwinder76 said..
Hi SP,

i would recommend the WS from Eleveight - www.eleveightkites.com/products/kites/ws-series - check the www a lot of useful info.

If you are in Portugal, we are located in Gunicho, so you can try the kites. Is not easy to compare with other kites but the WS is very close to the REO.
Your Pivot is a very grunty kite (was). The WS has a fantastic low end but is not like a truck. I personal much more prefer a smooth power development.

Cheers,

Rob


Hi Rob,

Could you please send me your contacts?

Cheers

Fly on da wall
VIC, 577 posts
24 May 2018 5:04AM
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Zebra80 said..

SBoards said..
Hi there,

I have been riding a Pivot 2016 8m (until crashed it against the rocks last weekend). I had chosen this model as 1 kite quiver, cos it is published having a good low-end and a very light bar pressure (confirmed the nice bar pressure). I exclusively ride waves.

I have enjoyed it, but not the almost zero power in turns; I have also noticed that it needs some steering to be always generating some aparent wind (not good for my right elbow health which is very poor).

So now I need to URGENTLY buy a new kite, but one very important factor is to protect my elbow health. So, I'm wondering about some factores among the kites mentioned in subject:

Bar pressure :
Steering need :
Low-End :

So please if someone has tried at least 2 of these kites can please compare the above 3 factors in a scale 1 to 10?

Example (I have tried North Neo 2016 against Naish Pivot 2016 :

Neo 2016 8m / Pivot 2016 8m:
Bar pressure : 7 / 4
Steering need : 4 / 7
Low-End : 8 / 7


Many thanks in Advance

Big hug from Portugal




Dont forget Most important is the little part that you conect your chicken loop on it that is what makes the difference
Not the brand model or year


Zebra, it's spelt connect...
Dam straight you are!

SBoards
WA, 8 posts
28 May 2018 6:35PM
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strekke said..



SBoards said..


Hi Strekke,

Could you please compare the bar pressure of these kites (scale from 1 to 10 please)?

Slash
Neo
Pivot
Airush Wave

Thanks mate



Well that's kind of difficult because I didn't test them all back to back in the same session.

The Airush Wave I tested in more powered conditions than the Slash vs Neo (I think), and bar pressure was light-ish, close to the the Slash I would say, but maybe with a bigger throw if I remember correctly. In any case, I remember it depowering/shutting of completely nicely, but then it also kind of started flapping, which is something I have not found the Slash do.

The Pivot I only tested in 7m vs the Slash 6m - Pivot was definitely gruntier and kept pulling harder than the Slash on the wave, so less complete shut off. If I remember correctly, bar pressure on the Slash was a bit lighter (but then again, I was comparing 6m Slash vs 7m Pivot, so that doesn't really count).

Anyways, from my limited experience with these kites, I would say bar pressure wise when powered up:

Neo: 6,5/10
Pivot: 6/10
Airush Wave: 4.5/10
Slash: 4/10

But you should take this numbers with a grain of salt, since I didn't test them all in the same size back to back.

That being said, and as stated by someone else above, I have tried some Core kites (GTS3 & XR) in the past, and both of those had light bar pressure. If I'm not mistaken, Core kites are known for having a low bar pressure, so if the Section follows that logic, I'd give that a go. Also try to maybe read some reviews on kitefinder.com or realwatersports.com etc.


Cheers man. It was very appreciated.

bjw
NSW, 2529 posts
29 May 2018 7:53AM
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Yeh I can confirm the Eleveight WS is a really fun kite. Similar feel to the Reo, but arguably goes up wind better. I haven't really liked the Neo, it doesn't really seem as free to ride.

sewerrat
11 posts
1 Jun 2018 1:04AM
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"All new dedicated wave kite have low bar pressure and Good turning" . -Ur, no. Not at all. There are still kites that say "wave" and are slow with lots of arm pull. I'm in same boat now. Need a new wave kite and looking for help on forum as I don't have opportunity to demo. My gold standard is 2012 Reo 8 and 10, and should probably just replace with new V4's of the same, but to tap the incredible knowledge of this forum that led me to buy them in the first place:

For side, side-on wind in fast down the line riding (beach break) where drifting is as important to fast flying and power modulation, how does the flying character of the Reo 10m compare to the Eleveight WS and AR wave? I typically prefer riding underpowered and use kite speed to get going, but the wave for apparent wind while surfing, and following the kite.

BTW, I'm in the States and have noticed many of the kite reviews on this forum state wind ranges that are ridiculous! For me at 85kg and a 5'1" Vader, I'm using a 10m for 11-18knots, 8m for 15-22knots, and 6m for 20-28knots. At 30 knots, I go home cause the waves are **** and it's freaking dangerous! Is the hole in the Ozone layer over Australia deflating your air pressure such that it's like flying a kite at altitude!?

Many thanks, in advance!

kiter63
45 posts
2 Jun 2018 11:28PM
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I'm a huge fan of the Airush Waves. Converted a little over a year ago and could not be happier. Responsive (even when depowered), goo bar pressure, I guess medium, not too light not too strong, bomber construction but not heavy. Prior to the waves I was on the BRM C2's, before that BWS surf and had a 10m Ozone Reo 2012 in my quiver prior to that.
The waves are great all around, can jump pretty good and very good drift.
I was apprehensive about the bridles/pulleys but it has never been an issue. I've tumbled them in the waves many times and they always come back up. I ride primarily surfboard and started foiling this year. Have 7m/9m/12m. The 12m has been a real surprise. It is a fun kite and the relaunch in light winds (foil) is surprising.
The only issue is that they are hard to find on sale. Airush seems to build what they can sell so rarely are there closeouts.
I just bought a second 9m 2017 to eventually replace my 2015 9m because I got a great deal on it which is rare.
Give them a shot sometime.
I buy/ride what I like, no affiliations.
Between boards, kites, foil, bars and harnesses I have 8 different brands.

Falco
23 posts
3 Jun 2018 6:52PM
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Anyone tried the slingshot sst, seems to be the most untalked about wave Kite in history. Interested to know what there like

castill0jf
VIC, 542 posts
3 Jun 2018 10:52PM
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SST wave kite is very good wave kite. The best quality for me is the drifting but the kite has to much power when you loop the kite and will junk you of your surfboard when strapless. cheers.

There is a good review about the SST wave kite on kitemagazine one or two months ago cheers

pgc
VIC, 783 posts
4 Jun 2018 2:13AM
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got a major ****ed elbow ( 4 recos) and i ride neos. love em to death!!!!! Never stress my elbow.



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