26" Wheel options?

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Amadeus
Amadeus
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26 Apr 2012 10:18am
From what I've read, it seems all the Class 5 rigs have custom 26" wheels. I'm not really interested in making my own wheels (hate playing with glass & epoxy), so I'm wondering if people have experimented with other options.

Regular mountain bike wheels just fold under the side loads, but what about some of the beefy through-axle MTB wheels that are coming onto the market? They're typically 20mm in dia and could be converted to a single sided attachement. I know someone who has built a tadpole style trike with them and swears by their strength.

Like this:
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As for rims I'm assuming the welding of 2 steel rims together is for strength as well? Has anyone tried pugsley wheels? They're a recent thing too, using huge tires and very wide rims to roll easier on sand and snow: surlybikes.com/bikes/pugsley



Let me know what you guys think about these ideas, or if there's other options out there I'm not aware of.

Thanks!

-Gabriel

PS: Hi, I'm new here!
yankeesailor
yankeesailor
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26 Apr 2012 10:36am
I have considered those same rims when i decide to build wheels. They are exspensive though around $110 a rim. That puts them out for most people but if you had to pay someone to tig weld two rims together and time and material their not so far off.
Amadeus
Amadeus
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26 Apr 2012 11:41am
Yeah, the wheels would probably eclipse the cost of the rest of the vehicle. Still better than wasting a bunch of my time gooping together a set of crappy fiberglass wheels though.
sabydent
sabydent
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26 Apr 2012 12:46pm
Back about thirty years ago, we used to do a lot of bicycle touring in the Canadian rocky mountains. It was not all that popular and bikes were more designed for racing. With a heavy load due to our camping gear and such, we had a big problem with spokes breaking. One solution was to "tie the spokes". Where the spokes crossed and touched a small piece of thin copper wire was wrapped around the two spoke, then soldered. This made for a much stronger wheel, but a stiffer ride. Think this would work on a land yacht?

Brian
Nikrum
Nikrum
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26 Apr 2012 2:53pm
Well! Mr Motzart, I wouldn't go as far as to say the custom Fiber Glass wheel are Crappy.. The job may well be a crappy one but the products of our boys in WA are turning out are Cutting Edge Wheels and they are constantly improving them and simplifying them for some manufacturer to come along steel the technology and claim it is their experimentation..

I can understand your thinking as there is a lot of work involved and Precision of part placement.. Half the joy of the wheels to many folk.. Some would just prefer to walk into a shop and purchase.
Point being, Some Times to win races you have to be prepared to go beyond the accepted to become fast enough and then again a product may not necessarily be better but will give the confidence to go that extra Mile to Bag the Competition..

With spoke wheels you have to think not of axial pressure i.e load directly through the axis of the wheel and tire but of side torque (Twisting the axle against the axis of the wheel) The dynamics of this action (Laying your wheel at 45deg and loading straight down) will place far greater pressure on the Rim where the spokes pass through. There is also a problem with Motor Bike wheels in the weight of Rubber at the the outer perimeter of these wheels where I believe the Centrifugal Forces begin to make it harder for the LY to turn, hence the experimentation with wheel.. The whole question comes down to "What do I intend to do with my Land Yacht"?? Keep in mind the heavier the wheels the slower the acceleration and the difference between winning and losing..
Ron

Amadeus
Amadeus
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26 Apr 2012 2:03pm
Heh, I wasn't suggesting they were all crappy, just that my skills are lacking and what I made would turn out crappy!

I think with a high spoke wheel and beefy axle/rims, they'll be plenty strong—even with extreme side loads.

Maybe. You guys talk me out of it.
Nikrum
Nikrum
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26 Apr 2012 6:31pm
OK Motzart,
I may have been a little techy on the subject but primarily I wanted to get the point over as to why they are making wheels from fiber glass.. Mate providing you can get a big enough sail area you could use 18 wheeler wheels, damned! if I'd sail anywhere near you but it could be done.. If there is a product stronger and lighter than CF or FG and easy to use as well as not too dear bring it on..
I wouldn't try to talk you out of motor bike rims, that is your choice but I see no reason not to point out any drawbacks.. (( By the way, What is the biggest Drawback in the world???) so that y ou can make an informed decision.. Info' is one thing you can't have too much of.. (A Blue Whales Foreskin)[}:)][}:)]

When things settle down here for Paul and the others they will find time to Expound the Delights of building your own gear.

Ron..

PS, Haven't seen you on the forum before so Welcome and get involved.. We all have Pearls of Wisdom to drop now and then.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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26 Apr 2012 11:02pm
I havent come across 20mm centred wheels, they would definitely be worth looking at as the axle set up could be replace by a simple bolt, the pugsley rims look the right width too .
what would be the cost of having this set up put together( assuming the wheel is not off the shelf). you would need a simple cover over each side of the wheels for safety as well as to comply with the rules.
the option youve presented looks very do-able
how about getting a price from a US dealer for a wheel that has a 26" 36spoke(stainless Steel) pugsley rim with 20mm shaft and a black floyd tyre/tube set up.
that would be as good as your going to get , if possible get the 120 or 135mm flange width set up.
Last year we priced another of their rims in the range offered and the rim alone was more expensive that the cost of all the wheels ive built recently.
please follow up on a price from your end so we can look at a comparison.
Amadeus
Amadeus
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27 Apr 2012 8:08am
Well, a quick look disregarding cost, they'd be about $500 USD per wheel. Eeesh!

Surly Large Marge Rim - Black/Silver 26 x 32 Hole DH
Chris King ISO Disc 20mm Front Hub - Red 32 Hole - 110mm Spacing
DT Swiss Champion Spokes - 2.0mm Black
DT Swiss Alloy Nipples - Red 12mm


Note these are bicycle wheels, not moto wheels so their weight is much lower. This expensive high-end option with the pugsley rims comes in at around 1600 grams. Most of that is in the 65mm rims, which you'ld only need for sand, not salt flats I'm thinking. The Pugsley tube and tire adds another 1500 grams, putting the whole setup at around 3kg, which it looks like is comparable to the custom wheels being built.



But choosing the cheapest options with a rim over 30mm wide and a 20mm through axle it comes to $126 USD. Not too bad really for a custom wheelset.

SunRingle Estate Rim - 26" x 32h (Black)
Shimano SLX M667 20mm Axle Centerlock Front Hub
Wheelsmith Brass Nipples - Silver 12mm
Wheelsmith Stainless Spokes - 2.0mm Silver


The cheap option is about 1100 grams for hub, rim, spokes, and nipples. Add another 420g for kojak and a tube and it's only 1500g for the whole shebang.

Universal Cycles (I'm lucky, they're in portland as am I) has a pretty neat wheelbuilder tool: www.universalcycles.com/wheelkit.php
Amadeus
Amadeus
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27 Apr 2012 8:21am
Also, thanks for the welcome!

I haven't ever built or even sailed a landyacht, but have a some sailing background and built an iceboat in Michigan when I was a teenager. This summer I'm planning on traveling out to Oregon's Alvord Desert and/or the Black Rock Desert and play around. That is if I get my ass in gear and build this thing!
Nikrum
Nikrum
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27 Apr 2012 4:47pm
C'mon Mozart,
Don't Yak about it! Do it![}:)] Procrastination is the Bane of the doing man. Go for it and Pic's or it hasn't happened..
Ron
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
29 Apr 2012 8:53pm
Amadeus said...

Well, a quick look disregarding cost, they'd be about $500 USD per wheel. Eeesh!

Surly Large Marge Rim - Black/Silver 26 x 32 Hole DH
Chris King ISO Disc 20mm Front Hub - Red 32 Hole - 110mm Spacing
DT Swiss Champion Spokes - 2.0mm Black
DT Swiss Alloy Nipples - Red 12mm


Note these are bicycle wheels, not moto wheels so their weight is much lower. This expensive high-end option with the pugsley rims comes in at around 1600 grams. Most of that is in the 65mm rims, which you'ld only need for sand, not salt flats I'm thinking. The Pugsley tube and tire adds another 1500 grams, putting the whole setup at around 3kg, which it looks like is comparable to the custom wheels being built.



But choosing the cheapest options with a rim over 30mm wide and a 20mm through axle it comes to $126 USD. Not too bad really for a custom wheelset.

SunRingle Estate Rim - 26" x 32h (Black)
Shimano SLX M667 20mm Axle Centerlock Front Hub
Wheelsmith Brass Nipples - Silver 12mm
Wheelsmith Stainless Spokes - 2.0mm Silver


The cheap option is about 1100 grams for hub, rim, spokes, and nipples. Add another 420g for kojak and a tube and it's only 1500g for the whole shebang.

Universal Cycles (I'm lucky, they're in portland as am I) has a pretty neat wheelbuilder tool: www.universalcycles.com/wheelkit.php

thats about the price I was expecting add 30% in Australia
I would bother with the 30mm wide rim , it will roll on the rim when pushed sideways

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