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j murray
j murray
SA
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SA, 947 posts
10 Aug 2009 12:38pm
Well...
Out on a limb go he, for advice and general feedback,
Statement..... I am considering an across Australia traverse
with my rebuilt sail powered craft in 2010.
The eminent Swiss man has already done this in 2003.
He had the ability to assist by pedal power. I think he pedaled
most of the way and he did it at the wrong time of the year.
51 days it took, so that's about 80k per day.
I am not out to compete with his time as i will be only sail assisted
human powered/walking.
I will follow the same route, but from west to east.
I have no problems with any of the country to be traversed as i have
traveled this route, over the years more than 4 times. Different times
in different sections.
My really only problem will be wind ? and being self supporting, some
supply's and water. there is some bore water available. Mechanical
breakdowns, everyone suffers these, so i will be no different.
I have no problems with the people i will encounter. Only the idiots.
I love Australian products and would love some Sponsorship

So for starters there it is.... now open for discussion

Sorry forgot age ...oldmans disease...but there is a 70 year old
just walking across the paddock perth to melbourne now he has
made seeduna. so i guess if ya croak ya croak
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
10 Aug 2009 5:25pm
early to mid winter would be the best time for the Carnarvon to Alice half. best deal with wind, cooler weather. If you planned to do it say next winter, Im sure you could put me down for that leg as backup. as to wether you go E-W or W-E. at that latitude I dont really know. If you were doing the Nullabour you would do E-W in summer or W-E in winter.
Maybe short leg backup crews meeting along the way.
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
11 Aug 2009 6:13am
hey landy, that's a big first offer , and its appreciated as a kickoff point.
I am sorta putting it out there now to see what comes up till about December before any real decision. However speaking generally, I would wish to be at the lake around Easter , as for me that's a must. I know you have said you and promo will be away next Easter , but that's the way of the world. It wouldnt matter to me to have a couple of weeks recreational sailing on the lake,
Then over to Geraldton for a start. should be no problems with wind there, across to Mullewa, Yalgoo, Mt magnet, pretty straight forward and open. Sandstone, to Agnew. well i expect its better than the last time a drove that 30 years ago. Lenora. been up and down here more than 10 times, i foresee no real problems. Possibly road trains now are bigger and heavier but in the past, passing B-trains and road trains have not been a problem up to 120 kph.
Having spent many hours driving road trains little bit long time, i have no problem with them. No pro driver goes to work to kill anyone, They can scare tourists, I am not a tourist. Tourist drivers scare me, really cautious round them.
Laverton, last reliable provisioning place for the Warburton, Ayres Rock section
will be the most testing . But its basically red sand, usually corrugated and the worst problem could be three corner jacks along this way. Maybe one could be lucky and strike it after the graders have skimmed along it or part thereof.
Then into the Alice....which has its own particular problems, that i don't wish to become involved in.
The Eastern half starting Alice to Tobermorry, haven't been on this for 40 years, however it cannot be as bad as it was then, just along a fence line and up to three foot deep bull dust. I would expect a fair outback road thru here now. If they are mustering or shifting an oil rig etc they could be some traffic. Glenorminston, Boulia, no real problems. Winton, Longreach normal Qld outback country and road. Barcaldine Alpha i'm o.k. with. But from there to Mackay, this section i don't know.
So thats the possible route and the one traveled by Phattay in 2003
That a bit map to chew over and see what is said.
So thank you for whatever you may be able to help with. I will put everything here so everyone can participate in their own way.
I recon its a goer, biggest now problem is being an old man, but i can live with that.
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
12 Aug 2009 7:02pm
Throwing up some more background and general ideas/thoughts
I believe in the 6degrees of separation principal.

For me there are about 10-12 major contributors to this forum and each of that mob has contact with at least 10 friends with whom they interact, that's 12 x 10= 120 and they have 10 other friends each in different circles, so its now 120 x10= 1.200. Their 10 friends each, take it up to 12.000 people. That's 4 steps, go for 5 = 120.000 and six= 1 million two hundred thousand people. What a wealth of ideas, views, and opinions we can collectively call upon, to help get the good ideas.

As an oldy, I would like to, before i step off this planet, see in motion an exercise that shows the co-operative genius use of the WWW and the interesting people thereon.

Many things i don't understand and haven't the time to learn, but i do realize that there are kids out there who could teach me a thing or two about the modern world and the way in which it works. I have other things to contribute and in turn they may learn from me and my like. Lets go down the road of modern adventure....
together.

LATE THOUGHT....Could we collectively dedicate "Project AA" to the cause of that of the Woman doctor , killed in the Kokoda air crash yesterday. I have just heard that she had planned 4 treks this year to raise funds to help underprivileged children. I dont know anymore than that at this point. Let me know what you think

I would like to see a remote school with a outlook on the world. like school of the air, or a school for challenged kids, whatever, hook up with me thru all of you to run a web site on this project [called... Project A.A. ] for the time being. The standards will be, must be, high, fair, rewarding.

Until it gets rolling its Progect AA, that will change to an already selected name, when the basic design is ready to be put before the public. I don't want some smarty to hijack us and grab all we/I worked for.

The whole thing has to be for the promotion of landyachting, oversized billy carting
and it has to show the young that there are different ways of doing things and enjoying life, outside, outdoors, outback, remote.

So I am calling upon all of you to help me in whatever way you can. Please just spread the message. Time is short, and there is a lot to accomplish. If you can think of things that i may miss, speak up. I do have many notes written and yet to be typed up and posted.

If nothing ever comes of this, which i doubt, i will be the idiot. The chances it get's wings is over 90 percent in the affirmative with me , but i need your help

Sorry one er thing,,, DON'T put your name down for anything, that you haven't the time to do well, it wrecks your own life, and your family's, and gives others insurmountable and time consuming problems, that they can do without....
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2866 posts
SA, 2866 posts
12 Aug 2009 8:50pm
The media is often a fickle thing, just a few months ago the world land sailing speed record was broken, and how much TV coverage did that get? maybe 20 seconds tops!!! was it in the news paper or on radio? I doubt it.
Or how about those charity bashes accross Australia with VERY financial particpants how much coverage do they get?.... minimal
What the answer is I dont know.
kiwi307
kiwi307
488 posts
488 posts
13 Aug 2009 5:57am
Just maybe..
the web is great, as long as people are inspired enough to search it out in the first place. Yes the media has a bit to answer for, but how do they get to know about anything in the first place in order to publish? Answer is that somebody tells them.
So what needs to happen is that someone takes responsibility for communicating with any and all means they can think of, and just putting it on the web for people to stumble over won't do. Letters to the sports dept, human interest editor etc etc. Most papers and mags are struggling for content, and they are lazy, so give them printable "press releases" it will help them fill up there papers. (sometimes they even pay you for it too!)
ginger pom
ginger pom
VIC
1746 posts
VIC, 1746 posts
13 Aug 2009 8:48am
If you want media attention then do it as an environmental thing...

Link up with a car company with a reputation for doing stuff like this like honda or toyota.

Alternatively get sponsored by a (green) electricity company.

Or try to get in on the cross australia solar race publicity
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
13 Aug 2009 9:00am
Kiwi ,yep ,your right, i have a fair amount of media savvy thru past done things. My experience is that one has to nurture them a bit, titilate them, play games with them, and lastly but not the least, you do most of the leg work, in an interesting way,they love offbeat,..... maybe that will never work, that's good, a chance of failure..great. You have to have added a touch of sorrow or indignation as flavor. A good mustard spices the meal.
Many clubs and their activities suffer from their media relations people not having their heart in the job, in a way, media rep is being done for the status of the person, not the club. Many clubs/activities suffer from too few people trying to do too much in too little time. presenting Same old ...Same old. I am not a clubby person as club constitutions often stiffle progressive forward movement, like governments. I seem to be able to get things done because i am not constricted by a club overview or collective procrastination.
Press media/print are not the best fronts, one must be prepaired to put the ugly dyle before the T.V> cameras and most importantly be available and go on hosted talkback' Think you will make a fool of yourself, dont know your interests good enough, or don't consider yourself a fair speaker in front of not strangers, but your friends, usually means failure.
The media per-say will grill you not unlike a barrister, they are testing your metal and conviction, looking for a weak spot that you may have. The first time I copped this from an aggressive young lady , i was a little taken aback and startled, almost shaken. I quickly recovered and accepted that she was only doing her job. lesson learnt.
Caution with cameras, they take what seems a lot of film, however the little bit they use could portray you at the worst second of the interview. You have to be prepared to wear that among your friends and peers. The worst they have portrayed me was in a still shot taken in Canberra. Around 1965-6 a survey party leaving for 8 mth work in outback, 15 local lads. they wanted a still photo of the group aroung and over one of our trucks. Assembled we did the shoot. The photo they used was the one where i happened to touch an itchy nostril with a finger. Yep you guessed it, front page if i remember correctly.
The media too, find life can be boring, they love a bit of spice...give em some.
This forum is a prime example, of the people here there are the regulars who know and speak their interests. Even amongst them there are some who stay protected for whatever reason . There are the completely open people, who do most of the posts and discussion. There are the semi silent observers , and the absolute silent watchers who will communicate with others as well. Collectively this is an exciting and informative forum, much knowledge and great humour in contained herein. It 's a great place to formulate ideas and place them before ones peers for correction. One has to be a little game and somewhat cocky too. The number of hits to a subject or post shows that this is stronger than the comments. Word is getting out and about, slowly. for me ..great show Blokes, keep up the good work.
post above New Person called Ginger Pom has entered the fray, but ginger has held back on his members rego so one will read his posts and consider them with reserve. They do not have the full impact or the impact they could have. they seem more of a swipe to me. Information to be taken with a gain of salt
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
13 Aug 2009 2:40pm
this is the second time today that i have tried to get this one up, phone drop out, thanks telco, can i charge you for time wasted. this man is a painful typissed.

Calling all electro and gadget afraidllyacts, and other knowledgeable people, including "IT" specialists and web organizers, Google earthy's and googgle mappy people.

I would like to try and do all of the following, but don't know how to go about it all
For Project AA i would like to have the following options and ability to record and publish on a now time web site, automatically when the correct gear is turned on. Added text and photographic coverage should be able to be introduced in real time.

The teck info i want recorded would consist of......
time, height above sea level, world grid position latitude/longitude, Australian grid position in meter scale, [so that any school kid with a simple scale rule can work out where the point is]...Wind speed, wind direction, gusts and variances. temperature now with daily high and low. Forward speed across ground, maximun speed recorded daily.
Access to and relative costs to publish this to web site and with the aid of google earth and google maps via sattelite connection with phone also.
There is a weight limit for all this so i would think 2 kg 3 is max
costs to purchase capable tecknology
costs to operate all connections
cost to hire and connect for 6 mths Easter,-September
Sponsorship or donation for all of the above

If anyone can help here it would be appreciated




landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
13 Aug 2009 4:39pm
all the stuff you need except the weather is in a $200 GPS, the wind bit is easy . Autumn is not a windy tie in this part of the world, so geraldton to Laverton no wind
road is now sealed from magnet to lienster, but with steep edges. most of the trucks are triples, the oretrucks are 4 trailers.
just remember, the more crap you carry , the more crap you have to carry
cisco
cisco
QLD
12367 posts
QLD, 12367 posts
14 Aug 2009 1:40am
landyacht said...

all the stuff you need except the weather is in a $200 GPS,


Or an iPhone but that is a little more than $200 but you can use it as a phone and even browse the internet with it. With a phone plan I do think you can get one for about $200.

j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
14 Aug 2009 9:34am
What about this,
With my fibre mast, entirely different from my former aluminium, with three wire stays
supporting it to the chassi. What bending can i expect to experience, say using the 10 scale, straight/vertical is "0". at what point do i pack up for the day. Could i experience a stress break or crack. Would something like araldite act as a joining agent in an emergency.
One given is that my set up will weigh around 500kilos. so to actually get this moving would take the greatest effort. At this point it will be assisted by pushing off. I expect that there will be somewhat more stress to provide momentum than a sail board.
I would appreciate your experiences and observations
kiwi307
kiwi307
488 posts
488 posts
14 Aug 2009 11:24am
I reckon you have got it in one, the initial bit is going to be the worst scenario, or when it gets bogged in soft stuff. Adding stays to the mast will add a lot of compressive load to the mast and may make it worse rather than better. Your wagon is so different that it will be a case of try and see and fix what breaks.
Donkeys years back we tried to work out the horsepower developed by a sail and it is not much, from memory way less than 10 brake horsepower, which is why you have to do everything you can to reduce rolling resistance.
This is where I find your wagon intriguing, it goes so far away from any of the tried stuff till now!
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
14 Aug 2009 2:20pm
Interesting that horsepower one I seem to remember from waaaaay back
that a sail could generate roughly seven horsepower for every hundred square feet
very much rule of thumb of course but something to think about
ginger pom
ginger pom
VIC
1746 posts
VIC, 1746 posts
15 Aug 2009 12:54pm
take it with a pinch of salt if you like and if it felt like a swipe then I suggest you may be a little too tender to take on the journey.

I was just giving an outsider's (windsurfers) view on how marketable to the media and to sponsors the idea of wind powered land transport might be in the early 21st century in a world where the president of the most economically significant country said in his inauguration speech that he wants to ween his country off oil dependence.... it's the sort of stuff that investor relations of large corps would lap up if you do it right..

I don't think I'll ever make enough land yacht comments to have "impact" so this one wil be my last.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12367 posts
QLD, 12367 posts
16 Aug 2009 1:23am
ginger pom said...

I don't think I'll ever make enough land yacht comments to have "impact" so this one wil be my last.


Don't be like that ginge. All polite inputs are welcome here.

landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
16 Aug 2009 7:00pm
Hear , hear, any input is welcomed, Infact I reckon youve got a very valid point about the getting off oil.
mind you Ive been told that the amount of money they spent on publisizing the fact that Ecotricity was sponsoring a windpowered record was way more than the actual amount of sponsorship
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