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iand
iand
QLD
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QLD, 243 posts
3 Apr 2009 1:40am
I thought I'd ask a question to see who can think outside the box.
Can you design a landyacht that can sail in all directions including directly against the wind (It is possible, I saw a Photo of one thirty years ago)
Ian
hills
hills
SA
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3 Apr 2009 9:05am
Hmmm, you'd need some type of windmill type setup giving drive through a gearbox and differential.
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
3 Apr 2009 11:23am
A vertical windmill mounted on the chassis, to provide power to the wheels has been done. Hows this for an attempt?

http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/wing-powered-racing-dtu-all-set-for-the-windy-race/

When I was tinkering with a little robotics a few years ago (BEAM robotics) I only wanted to use renewables. An idea I had was to have a small turbine mounted of the back of my robot, like a spinaway roof vent, which in turn would drive a dc motor to provide current and charge the things capacitors. Never got around to making it as my interests moved to something else, on the list though.

Going off on a tangent a little; have a look at the wind related works by Theo Jansen. Incredible, although somewhat limited, works of art and engineering. I want a screen saver with these things travelling across it.
iand
iand
QLD
243 posts
QLD, 243 posts
3 Apr 2009 11:13am
Congratulations Phil you got it
Lachlan said-"A vertical windmill mounted on the chassis, to provide power to the wheels has been done" as I said Lachlan I was looking at this stuff 30 years ago.
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
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3 Apr 2009 12:09pm
A pic from a sailing book 30+ years old
I know its on a water yacht but the ideas there.....
www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/windmill_sailbo.php


Or there are a couple of rotor systems.... the"Savonius rotor" or "Darries rotor" invented in the late 1920's or even the sail system on the "Alcyone" one of the Cousteau Society's expedition vessels. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcyone(ship)

These all might be worth a look on google
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
3 Apr 2009 1:25pm
I was just adding a modification to Phills design, not stating that it had already been done. A vertically mounted rotor has some advantages over a horizontal, windmill like design (this may not out compete their flaws though). As Gizmo said, these are usually of the Savonius or Darrieus design.

I couldn't imagine that catamaran design overcoming the force of the wind and friction, to actually move forward. Maybe its for illustation purposes only I have a gut feeling that a better rotor design would be required.
Hiko
Hiko
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1229 posts
3 Apr 2009 6:26pm
Back in the 80s I saw a windmill powered boat in Whangarei NZ sailing on the harbour
The boat started life as a yacht I believe got converted to a fishing boat, lengthened and then got powered by a windmill .All by the same inovative owner
When I saw it it was going very well
I am sure there will be some info on this craft somewhere as it was very well known. Unfortunately I dont remember its name but it was moored in Parua Bay
and was quite a revelation to the many overseas yachtsmen who saw it
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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WA, 5921 posts
3 Apr 2009 9:23pm
used to be a small keelboat converted in Rockingham, WA , used a car diff and modified axle , 3 speed holden gearbox. They wouldnt let him race in the cruiser classes due to being able to sail straight upwind.
The yacht had a 2 blade prop on a tower that couldbe rotated to get the optimum angle
cisco
cisco
QLD
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4 Apr 2009 3:28pm
Just be careful when you go forward to drop the pick. A conventional yacht boom has got nothing on one of those blades.
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
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VIC, 1066 posts
6 Apr 2009 10:37am
Sounds like they do work. Surprising what limit the imagination has sometimes, while at other times being a little over confident
aus230
aus230
WA
1660 posts
WA, 1660 posts
8 Apr 2009 9:19pm
Someone was thinking outside of the box on this one. The 36 foot catamaran, Revelation II, is powered by 3 20-foot long carbon fiber propellers on a 30 foot rotating mast. The windmill transmits power to a 6 blade propeller underwater, with the net result that the boat can make way even directly into the wind.

landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
9 Apr 2009 8:38pm
I dont reckon you would be able to go up on the fore deck if that was working. It would want to be a reall good set up since the hull looks like a high speed set up and the drive system is more like a slower steady , steady type of drive.
I'd certainly want to take one out to sea before signing on the dotted line.
Certainly looks the goods
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
9 Apr 2009 11:51pm
Another question for the Quiz Time thread.

Yes it is wind powered but is it still a yacht???
iand
iand
QLD
243 posts
QLD, 243 posts
10 Apr 2009 2:22am
Is it sailing if you don't have a sail
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
10 Apr 2009 8:39am
I think it should be called "milling"

j murray
j murray
SA
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10 Apr 2009 10:23am
is the windmill/blades creating electricity or is it direct drive.
if it were electricity to the prop then an entirely different generator would be better than big blades. ie a wind turbine not unlike a jet engine set up. As one walks around secondhand engineering yards, scrapyards, turbines can be observed, just quietly ticking over on almost nil wind days.
i would recon that on the open water, heaps of juice would be created or at least enough to give headway......joe
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
10 Apr 2009 10:24am
is the windmill/blades creating electricity or is it direct drive.
if it were electricity to the prop then an entirely different generator would be better than big blades. ie a wind turbine not unlike a jet engine set up. As one walks around secondhand engineering yards, scrapyards, turbines can be observed, just quietly ticking over on almost nil wind days.
i would recon that on the open water, heaps of juice would be created or at least enough to give headway......joe
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
10 Apr 2009 6:33pm
A search on Google brought up several windmill boats including the one in Whangarei NZ The boats name was "Te Whaka " owned by an engineer named Jim Bates
Apparently the boat proved a little unstable so not only did Jim lengthen it he also split it down the centre and added 2 feet in the middle to increase its beam!
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