I kinda wonder " those who made the mini rules(ALSA style) how many of them actually build and sail em?

I'll leave this topic going, but will intervene if it turns nasty.

I personally don't think they would need to build and sail them to make the rules, but should have consultation with mini pilots.

After all, the department that makes the rules about how seaworthy ships are or how roadworthy cars are or what specs they have to adhere too, probably haven't captained or driven all vehicles affected by those rules.

I was viewing the NALSA site last night and found this about the Mini Rules from a previous event in 2008.
What is the "BOX RULE DESIGN" Can someone PLEASE explain
I tried searching the web site for the "Box" design rules but couldn't find anything.

Has Australia adopted the previous (and possibly out dated) mini rules or are they the current rules?

I personally don't think they would need to build and sail them to make the rules, but should have consultation with mini pilots.

I wonder how many pilots they 'consulted' with, to get a broad spectrum of ideas?

Ian, I don't know how ALSA is constituted. If it's like most of the other Land Yacht associations in the world it is made up with representatives from each member club. As I said above I don't know how it's made up but perhaps it doesn't allow for class associations.
Previous "discussions" whether anyone is a member of ALSA could not happen in either the UK or NZ, as the clubs are the members, not individuals!

Very well put Ian and completely logical. The AYF is an excellent model.

Groups of individuals can form clubs and/or associations and may choose to be or not be affiliated with a national association.

If a club or association chooses to be affiliated and is accepted by the national association, it still may run it's own events outside the umbrella of the national association.

Blokart is doing this but apparrently chooses not to be affiliated with ALSA. There are state and local blokart clubs and now a national association.

However there are some blokart pilots who wish to participate in non blokart exclusive events.

If the intent of the adoption of the new rule is to accommodate these pilots, it would be nice to know it. The question then becomes, "By what medium does ALSA intend communicating with the wider land sailing community so that individuals can make informed decisions about which is the most suitable club to join."

I am not going to buy the Adelaide Advertiser or the West Australian every day in order to find a public notice relevant to this subject.

Like it or not, the internet is the new newspaper, the new post office and the new telephone. I am unable to find an ALSA web site, bar the Australian Liquor Stores Association and the FISLY web site is years out of date.

Via this link http://www.yachting.org.au/ it is possible to find a host of information about yachting on the water and it is federal and state government endorsed and sponsored.

If ALSA has not the strength, financial or otherwise, to achieve a similar presence, surely it could piggy back on yachting.org or is this prevented by individual stubborness and pride?

I have said nothing derogatory about ALSA here. Simply asking questions so there is no need for angy responses or heated debate. Are there any contributors to this forum who can provide more information on the subject? Cheers Cisco

If ALSA doesn't allow for class associations then you don't need to have anything to do with ALSA, therefor you don't have an issue with ASLA, therefor you have no reason to create conflict

So how do you get into ALSA to change its rules if they wont l-e-t y-o-u i-n as a club ?

actually TP1 doesnt realize that his club HAS been accepted into ALSA and we were waiting for him to get back from holidays so we could have a committee meeting to discuss it
maybe a slight apology needed to any ALSA committee readers TP1

landyacht said...

actually TP1 doesnt realize that his club HAS been accepted into ALSA and we were waiting for him to get back from holidays so we could have a committee meeting to discuss it
maybe a slight apology needed to any ALSA committee readers TP1

I apologise

Sorry Ian, Slight wire crossing there. What I was referring to mainly with AYF is the structural model, which I might have mistakenly assumed to be working well.

I don't know anything about what may or may not be going on within AYF and state bodies.

My main point with ALSA is that if it is run correctly (I am not saying that it isn't now), that there is all sorts of public funding available.

For example:- In Queensland, if a sporting body has control of a piece of land where it conducts it's activities via ownership or lease etc, it may receive public funding for infrastructure on the land such as club houses, grand stands etc. via the Dept of Sport and Recreation.

This state govt department has funded in Bundaberg a race track for radio controlled model cars!!!! It is very hard not to notice the $200,000 skate bowls built all over the place and funded by this dept, and this could hardly be called organised sport.

If these kinds of activities qualify for funding, I am sure land sailing does too. The blokart people are stealing the march on this and are getting places where they have exclusive and/or sanctioned use. Unfortunately it is going the way of "blokart or no kart".

Land Sailing in Australia needs open and truly representative national and state bodies that will actively carry the sport forward. If this doesn't happen it may be in the future that the only places where we will be able to enjoy our sport will be on private land.

Is that what everybody wants????

landyacht said...

actually TP1 doesnt realize that his club HAS been accepted into ALSA and we were waiting for him to get back from holidays so we could have a committee meeting to discuss it
maybe a slight apology needed to any ALSA committee readers TP1

so at long last you are now financial members of alsa that is great to see that common sense has prevailed

Full adult membership is $50 of which $5 goes to ALSA for affiliation. Children $15,family membership also available. At events or come and try day you can takeout $10 temporary membership.
In 1981 the membership cost was the same , so I reckon your getting good value

niaychi said...
alsa fee is $10 not $5

must have missed that increase on the alsa website
so what do you get for the 10 bucks?