Nikrum on Rolling Resistance

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Nikrum
Nikrum
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TAS, 1972 posts
27 Aug 2011 1:10pm
We all should know that the lower the Rolling Resistance the Less Wind required to get us moving. Conversely the Higher the wind the Faster we should be able to travel given low rolling resistance other benefits, I would imagine, would be the low rolling resistance should allow for, at speed, less side ways thrust against the Tire Traction even allowing higher speeds. My thinking is that as we catch up to the Generated Wind (The correct name escapes me at the moment). With lower RR and ST should be converted into Axial Speed. There is plenty of room for discussion here.

Currently

Schrodinger's Cat has an initial starting resistance of 1Kg falling to moving RR of about .75Kg

Occum's Razor has .75Kg and moving RR of between .25 and .5Kg

Testing took place with a set of light weight Fishing Scales on Smooth Cement Floor. The reason for the difference between machines is probably due to Configuration and Tire pressures.
Ron

This is a great test to perform for Camp Fire Discussions
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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WA, 6277 posts
27 Aug 2011 11:27am
Hey Nikrum,

Nice data

Were you in the yacht when those tests were performed?

Gizmo
Gizmo
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SA, 2865 posts
27 Aug 2011 2:03pm
Apparent Wind is the term you were after..

When you check the rolling resistance of a yacht is should be loaded with some weight, even a couple of bags of sand or concrete in the seat will change the figures drastically.
One of the reason to stack the yacht with weight is the axle flex, the camber on the wheels increase and place a twisting motion on the bearings that isn't there on an empty yacht / frame. An empty yacht spreads the weight across the 3 wells equally where as a weighted yacht has much more weight loaded on the rear axle.

Nikrum
Nikrum
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1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
27 Aug 2011 3:05pm
Oops Sorry. I meant to mention that. The test was also performed without the pilot But at running weight.
Apparent wind!! Thank you but I will forget shortly anyway.. TOF's Disease.

I shall perform the tests again when one of the mates is hear. Fat little Bag of Poop
Ron
Gizmo
Gizmo
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2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
27 Aug 2011 3:23pm
Although doing the measurements done with a person are great and VERY representative, some static weight (bags of sand etc) might be better as it is then repeatable next week, next month or next year with different wheels or bearings etc.
You never know your mate might give up drinking beer and slim down .... then your data is useless.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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WA, 5921 posts
27 Aug 2011 9:33pm
dont forget the type of surface, amount and type of grease...........
I pulled a seal off joes yacht a few days ago and it started rolling on its own
knobblys ,smoothies,ribbed,2,4 or 6 plys,type of sail material.
an indication of a good new chassis is if it keeps being annoying by rolling out of the shed when a gust of wind blows in the shed
aus230
aus230
WA
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WA, 1660 posts
28 Aug 2011 5:36am
I know the feeling, Thought someone pinched aus230, rolled out of the shed . I found it down the padock
Nikrum
Nikrum
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1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
28 Aug 2011 9:52am
aus 230,

Well if you exercised it more regularly it might stay in the shed to rest..
Ron
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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WA, 5921 posts
28 Aug 2011 10:32am
some beasts have just got to run, others can never be tamed some are just milkers
what was the topic?
a more relevant test is to get the rolling chassis set up on your sailing surface and push it up to say 10kph then time how long it takes to stop,then try it with different tyre pressures,wheel layover angle etc.
a great way to spend a windless day,with a beer in hand
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
28 Aug 2011 12:45pm
landyacht said...
push it up to say 10kph


pushing my landyacht!



thats something I am real good at-
Chook2
Chook2
WA
1249 posts
WA, 1249 posts
28 Aug 2011 2:42pm
Thats the good part about the design of the LLMini.

By unthreading and using the sheeting rope. feed it through the 25mm square, horizontal steering bar (with the pedals welded to) to about halfway along the ropes length. Grab both of the ends, now you can now tow it and steer it at the same time when the wind drops out.
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
28 Aug 2011 11:47pm
So! I managed to get the Razor out on Sumerset Beach this arvo and had a few nice runs n skids n stuff.. It was all very nice I must say even got to run on 2 at one stage until I got very wet. 2 Holes in the beach full to brimming, axle deep and I managed to hit both of the B$%#^ Things with an almighty SPLASH and it wasn't a pleasant thing in a cool wind. With clothing soaked and covered in sand I had to retire[}:)]
Ron
desertyank
desertyank
1264 posts
1264 posts
29 Aug 2011 5:23am
Nikrum said...

So! I managed to get the Razor out on Sumerset Beach this arvo and had a few nice runs n skids n stuff.. It was all very nice I must say even got to run on 2 at one stage until I got very wet. 2 Holes in the beach full to brimming, axle deep and I managed to hit both of the B$%#^ Things with an almighty SPLASH and it wasn't a pleasant thing in a cool wind. With clothing soaked and covered in sand I had to retire[}:)]
Ron


You've said it yourself Ron; Pics, or it didn't happen
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