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ClydeBuilt
ClydeBuilt
3 posts
3 posts
16 Sep 2015 1:12am
Hi there lads & ladettes...

Convinced myself to have a go at building myself a simple landyacht, on a very tight (almost non-existant) budget!

Health issues are encroaching on my other pursuits, leaving me now looking at less 'active' fun. I have a breathing problem, so most things are out of bounds, even gentle cycling. If ya cant breathe ya cant pedal....

Been going over your galleries and it looks 'do-able', what I need is some basic guidance so I dont waste time wandering up blind alleys. I'll start off with some basic questions and see how it goes from there.

how important is weight?
Is strength more important then weight?
Can I really use an ex windsurf board as a sail?
Do I want a stiff or flexible axle?

From whats available, could I use box section as an axle and tube for the rest?
(rectangle tube 2"x 1" 1.5mm, with inserts for axle stubs)
(1mm 1.75 tubes in parallel and joints brazed?)

I 'think' I know some of the answers, super strong but goes like a cow is no good. Neither would super fast but folds at 1st tight bend ! Hence box axle joined to twin tubes with short stubs spaced along its length and space at front used to hold steering tube.??

Or should I just get me coat???
desertyank
desertyank
1264 posts
1264 posts
16 Sep 2015 5:03am
Welcome to the addiction

If you haven't already done so, take a look at these plans:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/Build-a-Landyacht-Lake-Lefroy-Mini-Yacht/

They are easy to adapt to available materials, and to whatever skills you have at hand. YES, you can use a windsurf sail. Weight is important, but not the primary goal.

Are you able to do the work yourself, or have someone help you? Woodworking or fiberglass work is part of the plans, but we have also seen some rigs with adapted plastic chairs also. In order to give you a real answer, I'd need to know what you're capable of, and if you have access to wheels, metal, wood, etc for supplies. This is a great forum, with lots of new and old time sailers to help you out.

Keep your coat handy, you might want it for a sail when it cools down.
ledzephyrlin
ledzephyrlin
WA
101 posts
WA, 101 posts
16 Sep 2015 6:39am
Gday Clyde, welcome to the forum.
Yeah Yank has steered you in the right direction, the LLM yacht is a great way to enter the sport at a reasonable price and many find it more enjoyable than sailing larger class 5 yachts, myself included.

It also has the added benefit of being a hell of a lot more portable, with some fellas able to pack it into the boot of their cars, bar the mast unless it is sectioned into 3 pieces like what 'Landyacht' has done at the end of the 'build a LLM' post.

You can also save moola and time by using an uncut windsurfer sail like Chook2 does and those minis freakin fly.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/The-evolution-of-my-Lake-Lefroy-Minis/


Bynorthsea
Bynorthsea
104 posts
104 posts
16 Sep 2015 3:06pm
Start by deciding what sort of sailing you will be doing and what sort of surface you will be sailing on and how you will transport it. If it is purely pleasure then regs do not matter and if you will be sailing on a beach as opposed to concrete you need to build strong, use stainless fittings and consider a set of balloon tyres. The other aspect of a beach yacht I would recommend would be ski axles. There is not a lot of materials needed in a chassis and if it is a build from what I have approach then not a lot of expense, it is all the bits that can cost, so it could be worth keeping an eye out for a second hand yacht to return or canabalise. If there is any sailing goes on up there have a good look at other peoples yachts if not and you travel south at all try to get to a York landyacht meet.
Good luck, look forward to seeing how you get on.









ClydeBuilt
ClydeBuilt
3 posts
3 posts
16 Sep 2015 6:02pm
Workshop wise, I have access to a decent lathe & band saw, all usual power tools for both metal and woodwork. I was a joiner carpenter to trade so Im up tp speed to a decent level. I used to do the model boat thing, in both battery powered and steam varieties, the largest boat being a 6ft tugboat that used to tow kids in a dinghy around the park pond on gala days. Doing the steam side of things taught me silver soldering and brazing and Ive done some stick welding too, although I would like to try MIG sometime for ally.

I would usually be on a flat tidal beach and the yacht would be in my std family hatchback. So taking the sail off, then wheels & front wheel/steering assembly should get it nicely in the car. Possibility of making the rear axle a bolt-on too if need be.

I 'put the arm' on my mate last night too and he's more than happy to be involved in some skull-duggery. Weve been mates for over 30yrs, so he's not surprised at the idea. Now....I WILL struggle loading and unloading the car, but as for controlling the yacht, I dont foresee any dramas. I can fall and bruise to olympic standard you know!

Im off to look at a cheap dead windsurfing rig this afternoon and my evening mooch with the pup has turned up some likely looking tube. A discarded traffic barrier = a string and light rear axle. I know of a store to buy steel rod that can be turned to make wheel stubs and the local cycle shop or car parts dealer for bearings. Theres even a performance bearing place along the road.

A thought: I still have my roof box for the car somewhere, car doesnt take roof rack now, so maybe the long box could be converted into a sexy cockpit.....erh....I think I need to top up my meds!!!

Later fellas!
Bynorthsea
Bynorthsea
104 posts
104 posts
16 Sep 2015 8:23pm
Stick welding will do if you are careful. Hope your tidal beach is better than mine, mine is good but can change day to day holes, ripples, soft areas, rocks, dogs and windsurfers, that's what makes it interesting. If you are buying a sail to cut think about the size you want to finish with, if you are going to use an ally mast go for sails with a wide material luff and not too acute foot angle, avoid sails that are more clear mylar panels that fabric. To sail in all conditions you will need a range of sail sizes, I have three from about 3.5 to 6m, I only weigh 10.5st. You need wheel barrow wheels with bearings, ideally sealed stainless, have a look at what you can get from Dave Green at Yorker Yachts. For stub axles the simple approach is to use M20 stud connectors welded on to you axle and M20 bolts through your wheel bearings, drill and tap M10 on the flat of the stud connector for a locking screw.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
16 Sep 2015 9:41pm
whacky doo macca here you go !!!!
ClydeBuilt
ClydeBuilt
3 posts
3 posts
16 Sep 2015 11:25pm
Right.....3 sets of sails, the mast and two of the arch shaped things they use to control the sail....=£50?

Of course the boards there too, but I really dont want that and blimey its much broader than I thought it would be.
tryhard
tryhard
222 posts
222 posts
19 Sep 2015 8:07am
Flee while you can Scottie. This past time is like the House of the Rising Sun (as per the song) the ruin of many a poor boy.The man who reads my meter complains that he can't see the meter because the small room on the side of my house where the meter resides is jammed full of sails and battens in various stages of construction.A similar fate awaits you.
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