In Adelaide class 5 is the way to go I would suggest. There is plenty of local knowledge and a local club. Did you chase up the ones for sale in Adelaide that Hillsy sent you the details for?

Thats a good questtion BB57 as there's not a huge demand and even less supply it will be a bit hard to answer.

If this helps, I worked out to build my class 5 cost somewhere around $2500, but that included an old dingy trailer to carry it on, plus many many hours in the shed or out a David Rose's house (who build the seat, mast, boom & axles and other bits for me.)

If I were to sell it in the condition its in I would want high teens to $2k. In your case it depends on the condition of the yachts. I'm sure Kym's has been well maintained but it would be older. I don't know how much he's asking for it either, but remember, its a buyers market out there at the moment!

I think one was sold for $900 not long ago, but I don't know anything about it.

beachball57 said...

ok well that's something to work on.
have been thinking about tackling the mini lake lefroy and see how that goes
tony

do it!!!!!!!!!!.we are here to help

Well done Cisco!! Looking forward to the new thread!

<reaches for a can of worms and a can opener>

So how does it compare to the blokart??

Landyacht " you say that Cisco set up his blokart for you "so that you just rolled past the rest? how did he do this?????

From what i saw you were racing in Production Class

" Production class is a blokart straight out of the box "
All competitors KARTS in this class should be exactly the same.

Concerned Production class competitor.

Carbo

PS, i would also be really concerned if a Production class blokart could catch a home made jobby that has no class specifications !!!!!

OOOPS sorry, that was landyacht posting with wifeys avatar
Too many days in the blue suit makes you forget to check these things

Re the Lake Lefroy Mini Explorer yacht called "Diablo" (Why "Diablo", because that is the name of Cisco's horse.) Google "The Cisco Kid" to find out more.

It is the first time I have sailed anything other than a blokart and as Paul said I wasn't even sailing it properly. He is right. Once she was powered up I had my hands full just keeping her pointed in the right direction and not collecting a blokart on my way through.

Of course if you want to overtake somebody the funnest place to do it is on his windward side. I think that's why one of the karts I was overtaking was trying to squeeze me down to the water. Once I'd got him I think he turned back the other way in disgust. Didn't see him again. Good Golly Miss Molly, I sure like to ball. Cheers Cisco.

cisco said...

Paul came in from the marathon race in 1min 19 sec less time than the fastest performance kart. Try comparing the weight of a stock production kart to that of a performance kart with all the bits and bobs.

Which race was that? Was it the one where there the Production class was supposed to have only a two minute head start and got more because of confusion over the starting procedures for the Performance class; confusion that led to the Performance class results being scrapped? All of the other marathons had the two classes sailing separately.

I agree that in the super-light winds of the one marathon where the two classes raced together, weight (or rather the lack of it) is king and the fact that the lead Performance kart was so narrowly faster around the course than landyacht is proof. In other wind conditions, this is not the case. As for the weight of the Perfomance add-ons, one can easily compensate for this by skipping that second round of toast at breakfast.

Of course, I have to acknowledge that landyacht is a skillful sailor and deserved his prize. In the hands of a lesser man, the lead Production kart would have been well back with the rest of the fleet.

BeeGee said...
Which race was that? Was it the one where there the Production class was supposed to have only a two minute head start and got more because of confusion over the starting procedures for the Performance class; confusion that led to the Performance class results being scrapped? All of the other marathons had the two classes sailing separately.

Could have been that one but I heard differing stories as to why the classes were separated into separate races.

I think the event proved the wisdom of blokart in choosing to go "One Design". There is a limit to the amount of dollars you can throw into a blokart to make it go faster and in the long run success in blokart racing is a product of how well the kart is set up and the skill of the individual sailor.

There were some damn sexy and hi tech looking blokarts at the event but the final question has to be does it make them appreciably better performers. Cheers Cisco

cisco said...
Could have been that one but I heard differing stories as to why the classes were separated into separate races.

I think the event proved the wisdom of blokart in choosing to go "One Design". There is a limit to the amount of dollars you can throw into a blokart to make it go faster and in the long run success in blokart racing is a product of how well the kart is set up and the skill of the individual sailor.

There were some damn sexy and hi tech looking blokarts at the event but the final question has to be does it make them appreciably better performers. Cheers Cisco

Cisco, the problem was that the timing system was not designed to handle phased starts, so they had to do a workaround. Unfortunately, that workaround required the second group of starters (Performance) not cross the start line during the dial up because the race had already been started by the Production guys. This point had not been made clear, and some of the Performance karts went over. Personally, I think running the Production and Performance separately was far better anyway. It is just too crowded the other way.

As I have said here before, I am a big fan of the one design concept. What you did for landyacht was to simply eliminate the performance-sucking mistakes in the setup, but ultimately he won by skill alone (I hope this doesn't give him an even bigger ego ). That's what is so great. It doesn't matter whether you are any good with a welder or have deep pockets, the karts are for the most part equal provided they are set up properly, and the person who wins just has to be have better sailing skills than everyone else. It also highlights the lie of the blokart being for beginners only. Sure, anyone can sail one, but it takes real skill to sail one well.

There were a lot of good looking blokarts, but it was not due to the go-fast add-ons as there really are very few of them. The artwork on the pods makes such a big difference to the look.

Bee Gee,

I think we also need to mention that one of the most outstanding feature that blokart has created is the community,
As you well know it's not all about winning and who has got the fastest blokart, so often it's about sailing with fellow blokarters, being in a blokart club, going to a State, National or International blokart event and being able to fairly compete against other competitors with the same mind set, i was told that at Yeppoon we had 80 registered competitors and 122 people at the dinner on Saturday night, that to me says what blokart is all about, as Paul Becket said on Saturday night, the blokart is a cool looking easy sailing tool that continue to created an amazing global community

There are a lot faster Cats out there than Hobbie but look at their following, 250,000 Hobbie Sailors can't all be wrong

You can have the best and fastest landyacht in the world but you soon get sick of sailing it by yourself

Carbo

Carbo,

I couldn't agree more on the social side. When you get that many people with a passion in common all in one place...well, it just doesn't get any better.

Cisco set up his blowie for me to race in yeppoon and it was kn fast. it just rolled past all opposition. ( thanks cisco) then after racing I would go off and chase Diablo ( ciscos yacht up the beach) Well try to any way!. never did catch him
sorry if that previous statement confused some readers.
what I meant to say is that after racing a really fast , well set up production BLOKART for th day , I would go and chase Cisco in his new yacht DIABLO.
CISCO had built the yacht guided by the free plans on Seabreeze, with some minor alterations( some very good ones).
The mast and sail rig he used was the polyethylene 4m rig I had sewn and built for the West Aust. champs in January.
the combination of yacht , rig and pilot, with ciscos sailing skill level was sufficient that the blokart that cisco had set up was not able to sail faster, in either a straight line or round the similar size course we set up on the beach after racing had finished.
I shipped a mini to queensland as it was a great opportunity for me to compare horses on courses, and I am well pleased with the comparative results That I got.
It would certainly have been rude of either cisco or myself to impose the 2 minis we had on the beach onto the BLOKART competition during the running of the daily racing
its not often I get to run against top sailers in this size yacht, and I'd like to thank all those who did give me a run outside of the racing times and days.
greatly appreciated
My understanding of the first Endurance race( in terms of start times) was that the performance yachts were to start 2m.30s after the production start, and my finish time difference calculations are based on that ( the 1m19s) . If some of the Perfomance yachts started earlier , obviously we'll have to bin that observation, but I did note that 3 other production, including a junior finished under an equal time difference .
Well done LADIES and youngster

Carbo, I am not wishing to get into a bun fight here nor am I knocking blokarts. Quite the contrary, I own two of them and I think they are a great machine. One rig is "Out of the Box" and the other has a POD, carbon Race Base, double pulley downhaul, sheet cleat and intermediate battens. The battens are there only because the leech is so stretched that it needs the battens to stop it fluttering itself to destruction when hard on the wind. The enhancements are only there for me to go faster not to win races.

In your first post in this thread you seemed to be implying that my kart that Paul raced wasn't quite kosher as a production kart. I am sure that if I had told Paul that I had done something to the kart that would be undetectible but would give him an advantage, he would have told me to rack off and cursed me for wasting his time and money coming over here.

Racing?? Well I am just not that competetively minded. You could say that I march to the sound of a different drummer. When the whole five of us active blokarters get together here in Bundaberg, we race. We just put three markers out and do laps. We have fun doing that and that is the important thing. We are here for a good time not a long time.

Diablo has been my project for the last two months and the success of the result has exceeded my expectations. Also it is the first time in my adult life that I have been able to build a toy in my own workshop from scratch so please excuse me if I seem a little overly excited and enthusiastic about it.

Re Comparisons.
The Blokart and the Lefroy Mini are directly comparable as they both fall within the current Australian Class 6 Rule. They are even more comparable than that. They both have the same wheel base and Diablo was being sailed with a 4m sail last weekend. Diablo comes in at 34-36 kg without sail and mast. Let's be conservative and say the sail and rig is 10 kg and not 15kg. So here we have a yacht that is 1.5 times the weight of a blokart and it rips. To coin a phrase from the inimitable Prof. Julius Sumner-Miller, "Why is it so?" There has to be a simple scientific explanation. Somebody please help!!

Oh yeah, you might say, but you need a trailer to carry it around in. No, the whole yacht fits into the boot of my Falcon. Far from being an amateur home built jobby, Diablo comes with a pedigree that I believe is soon to be endorsed by the world famous P.M.F. Construction Works. The design is a culmination of 30 years of research and development and this unit was built by a marine engineer of 33 years standing. That's a long time to be standing up.

I sincerely apologise if I have offended anybody. That is never my intention. As far as upsetting apple carts goes, I make no apology. I try to do at least one a week. Cheers Cisco

Carbo said...

Sorry hills for not being clear with my postings.

No worries From a few of the posts above, I thought it actually was raced.

Welcome to the forum by the way!!