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BJRob
BJRob
NSW
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14 Feb 2017 2:20pm
Hi All.

I am in the Lake Macquarie are and want to know if anyone knows of someone that would provide 1 on 1 sailing help on my boat? Paid of course.
I know the basics, but have a lot of questions and need help with getting to know my boat.

Cheers
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
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14 Feb 2017 5:15pm
Join a local sailing club. Do twilight's someone will always help you and racing teaches you faster than anything.
BJRob
BJRob
NSW
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NSW, 251 posts
14 Feb 2017 6:13pm
twodogs1969 said..
Join a local sailing club. Do twilight's someone will always help you and racing teaches you faster than anything.


Would love to. But my insurance doesn't cover me for racing.
To get covered for racing they want me to get an out of water survey. Bit expensive for a cheap boat. Might get it when i slip her for the next antifouling.
UncleBob
UncleBob
NSW
1311 posts
NSW, 1311 posts
14 Feb 2017 6:18pm
BJRobinson said..

twodogs1969 said..
Join a local sailing club. Do twilight's someone will always help you and racing teaches you faster than anything.



Would love to. But my insurance doesn't cover me for racing.
To get covered for racing they want me to get an out of water survey. Bit expensive for a cheap boat. Might get it when i slip her for the next antifouling.


Join a local sailing club and sail on someone else's boat, or a number of other boats, and get the exposure there and you will find someone there that will be happy to help you gain experience on your own boat.
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
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14 Feb 2017 6:33pm
BJRobinson said..

twodogs1969 said..
Join a local sailing club. Do twilight's someone will always help you and racing teaches you faster than anything.



Would love to. But my insurance doesn't cover me for racing.
To get covered for racing they want me to get an out of water survey. Bit expensive for a cheap boat. Might get it when i slip her for the next antifouling.


As Bob said go on others boats will also learn different ideas and ways of doing things.
Check insurance usually social non spinnaker racing is covered .
BJRob
BJRob
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
14 Feb 2017 7:57pm
I've crewed on and off for a mate for yearsThanks uncleb and twodogs.
Great advice
However social racing is not covered.
If I go racing on another boat, that will eat into what little time i have to sail my own boat.
I just need about 4hrs with someone on mine.
EC31
EC31
NSW
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14 Feb 2017 8:01pm

I don't know of any insurance company that provides covers for racing without specificially mentioning it. To race in twilights, you will need a Cat 7 safety inspection which includes providing a copy of the insurance paperwork. It is not hard to get, but you are best to spend some time on other peoples boats and ask lots of questions.

If you are keen to travel down to Pittwater one Saturday or Sunday a month (or a Friday afternoon any week of the year), we can find a spot for you to come out and learn. We are slow, at the back of the fleet and a crew of beginners but we have fun having a sail and don't take it too seriously. PM if you are interested.
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
NSW
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14 Feb 2017 10:32pm
My club marine standard policy covers non spinnaker racing. Not a special policy and I have not requested racing coverage. It was just thrown in.
Planeray
Planeray
NSW
221 posts
NSW, 221 posts
15 Feb 2017 12:35am
Youi offers $10M public liability for racing coverage. Usually costs another $10 a month or so on top of other cover, but negotiate a bit with them, they're pretty keen for business. No survey required, only catch is that it's not for professional racing and I think there's a clause about racing more than x miles offshore...not 100% on that as I'm in harbour only.
BJRob
BJRob
NSW
251 posts
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15 Feb 2017 7:31am
My insurance is through youi.
THEIR conditions on providing the insurance were no racing and inland waters only.
I could go back and and ask again for social racing and see what they say.
BJRob
BJRob
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
15 Feb 2017 7:34am
EC31 said..

I don't know of any insurance company that provides covers for racing without specificially mentioning it. To race in twilights, you will need a Cat 7 safety inspection which includes providing a copy of the insurance paperwork. It is not hard to get, but you are best to spend some time on other peoples boats and ask lots of questions.

If you are keen to travel down to Pittwater one Saturday or Sunday a month (or a Friday afternoon any week of the year), we can find a spot for you to come out and learn. We are slow, at the back of the fleet and a crew of beginners but we have fun having a sail and don't take it too seriously. PM if you are interested.


Thanks Ec31 for the generous offer.
I can go racing any time with many local clubs.
But I would still prefer 1 on 1 on my boat.
Yara
Yara
NSW
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15 Feb 2017 9:27am
How about you start by telling us what boat you have, and what sort of knowledge you are hoping to gain.
Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
QLD
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15 Feb 2017 9:48am
Racing works. You become a better sailor by doing it and youtube vids. Put stuff into practice. Try new things.
Planeray
Planeray
NSW
221 posts
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15 Feb 2017 10:54am
BJRobinson said..
My insurance is through youi.
THEIR conditions on providing the insurance were no racing and inland waters only.
I could go back and and ask again for social racing and see what they say.


From their PDS;

2. Social Sailboat Racing What is covered? Under Comprehensive cover, we will pay for loss or damage to the watercraft which occurs as a result of an insured event while it is being used in a social sailing race with a total distance no more than 50 nautical miles. What is not covered? Loss or damage to sails and rigging caused by: ? wind, capsizing or waves unless there is also structural damage to the watercraft; ? people accidentally damaging them. Competition sailboat racing. Third Party, Fire and Theft cover. Third Party Property Only cover.
Queequeg
Queequeg
NSW
37 posts
NSW, 37 posts
15 Feb 2017 12:10pm
We did the Day Skipper with Chris Griffiths "Sea G", he will come on your boat, he is a very experienced sailor and teacher. [email protected] , he is at Kilaben Bay.
BJRob
BJRob
NSW
251 posts
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15 Feb 2017 3:29pm
Yara said..
How about you start by telling us what boat you have, and what sort of knowledge you are hoping to gain.


Endeavour 26
* How to heave-to. I have only managed to do it once with success. My tiller does not go to 90deg when pulling to the starboard. I believe this to be normal and nothing wrong. So heaving to on this side is difficult. I am wanting to get my son proficient in this in case I fall over.
* Helping me with all the gear, pullies, etc and what some of it is for.
* General trimming of the sails in different wind speeds and directions.
*Back stay tension.
So, better to do this on my boat.

I did a learn to sail course many years ago and crewed for a mate on an Adams 10 & 13 for many years on and off.

I have watched MANY hours of youtube clips.

But nothing beats 1 on 1.

Cheers

BJRob
BJRob
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
15 Feb 2017 3:41pm
Planeray said..

BJRobinson said..
My insurance is through youi.
THEIR conditions on providing the insurance were no racing and inland waters only.
I could go back and and ask again for social racing and see what they say.



From their PDS;

2. Social Sailboat Racing What is covered? Under Comprehensive cover, we will pay for loss or damage to the watercraft which occurs as a result of an insured event while it is being used in a social sailing race with a total distance no more than 50 nautical miles. What is not covered? Loss or damage to sails and rigging caused by: ? wind, capsizing or waves unless there is also structural damage to the watercraft; ? people accidentally damaging them. Competition sailboat racing. Third Party, Fire and Theft cover. Third Party Property Only cover.


From my policy document

About The Usage
Used for Business Purposes No
Usage Per Year More Than 24 (All The Time)
Social Sailboat Racing No
Inland Water Ways Only Yes
Watercraft Experience 20+ Years
Stored at a Residential Address No
Storage Suburb Valentine
Storage Type Swing Mooring
Use of a Trailer to Transport or Store No
Watercraft Status Used - Already Owner
Syndicate Owners No
Operated By Others No
BJRob
BJRob
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
15 Feb 2017 3:43pm
Queequeg said..
We did the Day Skipper with Chris Griffiths "Sea G", he will come on your boat, he is a very experienced sailor and teacher. [email protected] , he is at Kilaben Bay.


Thanks heaps!
I will send him an email.
Yara
Yara
NSW
1322 posts
NSW, 1322 posts
15 Feb 2017 3:44pm
BJRobinson said..

Yara said..
How about you start by telling us what boat you have, and what sort of knowledge you are hoping to gain.



Endeavour 26
* How to heave-to. I have only managed to do it once with success. My tiller does not go to 90deg when pulling to the starboard. I believe this to be normal and nothing wrong. So heaving to on this side is difficult. I am wanting to get my son proficient in this in case I fall over.
* Helping me with all the gear, pullies, etc and what some of it is for.
* General trimming of the sails in different wind speeds and directions.
*Back stay tension.
So, better to do this on my boat.

I did a learn to sail course many years ago and crewed for a mate on an Adams 10 & 13 for many years on and off.

I have watched MANY hours of youtube clips.

But nothing beats 1 on 1.

Cheers



Well, for a start, you dont need the tiller that hard over to heave too. It should be just enough to stop the boat falling away and head it back against the wind. Rudder only works when you are moving. Rudder at 90 degrees is a brake.

I am sure you will find somebody on here who is happy to pop out with you on a casual basis. Where is your mooring/dinghy?
BJRob
BJRob
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
15 Feb 2017 4:04pm
Yara said..

BJRobinson said..


Yara said..
How about you start by telling us what boat you have, and what sort of knowledge you are hoping to gain.




Endeavour 26
* How to heave-to. I have only managed to do it once with success. My tiller does not go to 90deg when pulling to the starboard. I believe this to be normal and nothing wrong. So heaving to on this side is difficult. I am wanting to get my son proficient in this in case I fall over.
* Helping me with all the gear, pullies, etc and what some of it is for.
* General trimming of the sails in different wind speeds and directions.
*Back stay tension.
So, better to do this on my boat.

I did a learn to sail course many years ago and crewed for a mate on an Adams 10 & 13 for many years on and off.

I have watched MANY hours of youtube clips.

But nothing beats 1 on 1.

Cheers




Well, for a start, you dont need the tiller that hard over to heave too. It should be just enough to stop the boat falling away and head it back against the wind. Rudder only works when you are moving. Rudder at 90 degrees is a brake.

I am sure you will find somebody on here who is happy to pop out with you on a casual basis. Where is your mooring/dinghy?


All the heave to videos I have watched have shown the rudder being tied off at full lock - EG -
dkd
dkd
SA
131 posts
dkd dkd
SA, 131 posts
15 Feb 2017 5:10pm
If you give me some time I will go back thro all my course notes from when I taught sailing ... and try to explain "heave to" is an easy way for you.

Simply explained, It is balance between sails and rudder/s ... sails firm enough not to flog themselves to death and the rudder enough to round the boat up into the wind, I would say 45-60' would be plenty but does change with boat type.

Basically it then stalls, falls back with the breeze and her stern goes back as dictated by the rudder, then sails then fill and drive her then back up to stall and so the cycle starts again, usually in a short distance (a couple of boat lengths) .... easier enough to do with some practice.

We do it in both mono and multihull boats regularly, usually waiting at pin end waiting for sound signal to set timer/watches etc for start sequence.
Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
QLD
2195 posts
QLD, 2195 posts
15 Feb 2017 8:12pm
I watched skip novaks video on everything including heaving to. He explains it well and does this in extreme weather. I couldn't believe how easy it was in my boat. Did it first time I tried and every time after. never not been able to do it and only been doing it a short while. I reckon heaving to is a must have bit of knowledge. Your boat might be hard to heave to or maybe not possible. Some boats won't heave to.
Mate just tighten jib up good and then turn into the wind. When the boat comes around release the main traveller a fair bit, then push the tiller back the other way and lash it off. I've got cam cleats on my tiller for self steering and those cleats are handy for this. Nice n fast. You should be stopped but if it seems not balanced then adjust the main. Pull it in/out a bit. The way I see it I visualise a zig zag. The jib is say on a 40degree angle to the right, the main is at a 40 degree angle to the left and the tiller is at a 40 degree angle to the right. Zig zag with a boat that isn't so balanced Yu may have to play with the main traveller a little. Seriously mate just keep trying it. It mAy seem scary but once you got it you'll have so much confidence as you can now do this to tend to anything you may need to. Just yesterday I did it when my lazy sheet came off headsail. Heaved to. Fixed, on my way.
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