2GM Yanmar intermittantly not cranking

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Donk107
Donk107
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9 Feb 2016 5:36pm
Hi all

The last couple of times i have been out on the boat when i push the starter button nothing happens but if i push it again once or twice it cranks and starts as normal

I have googled this and it seems to be a common problem on older Yanmars but there are lots of opinions about what the cause is

Some blame the starter button, some the starter motor solenoid and others the wiring harness from the starter button to the solenoid

Some have run a heavier wire from the starter button to the solenoid and others have added a relay into the starting circuit

To be honest i haven't had a look myself as yet and checked connections etc but i was wondering if any forum members have experienced this and what they found the problem was and what they did to fix it

Thanks in advance

Regards Don
nebbian
nebbian
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9 Feb 2016 3:55pm
If nothing actually happens (no relays clicking, no solenoid thumping) the first time, but it does the second time, then it's most likely the switch itself.

Easiest way to tell would be with a multimeter.

If it were me I'd replace the switch anyway.
HG02
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9 Feb 2016 7:24pm
I personally use a replay in my start circuit Donk
A few things things come to mind
One . the ignition switch maybe faulty on the start terminals inside the switch
Two . the terminals inside the solenoid on the starter motor maybe corroded and or worn
Three . there is a low voltage terminal running from the ignition switch directly to the stater soleniod make sure the terminal and its crimp on the wire is in good condtion
Id make sure your battery terminals are clean as for a start
then check all you terminals going to the other ends on the battery cables
If you run a battery Isolator check the terminal for tightness and no resistance between the terminals and the cable on both ends of the cables.

a Few things for you
Krusty
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9 Feb 2016 8:34pm
Id be checking for resistance in your start circuit. The starter button simply gives power to the starter solenoid allowing your starter motor to push into your flywheel and then close the circuit between your starter motor and battery giving it full battery power to crank. You could also go direct to your starter motor and engage the solenoid manually with a screw driver or similar, doing this will eliminate the solenoid as the issue.
Start circuits on an engine like this are very simple, so you should be able to figure it out without much issue.
MichaelR
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10 Feb 2016 7:56am
Back to basics Donk,

Check and clean all your connections. Including the start battery. See if it starts first go after that. If not, short the solenoid with a jump wire. Unless the components are really old, it's usually connections gone bad, sostart with the easy stuff first.
MorningBird
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10 Feb 2016 9:07am
MichaelR said...
Back to basics Donk,

Check and clean all your connections. Including the start battery. See if it starts first go after that. If not, short the solenoid with a jump wire. Unless the components are really old, it's usually connections gone bad, sostart with the easy stuff first.

My Sole had the same problem. It turned out to be a poor connection in a fuse holder. Don't buy switches or anything until you have checked the wiring and replaced/repaired anything that is doubtful. I replaced the fuse but it was the holder, so be thorough.
frant
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10 Feb 2016 9:08am
nebbian said..
If nothing actually happens (no relays clicking, no solenoid thumping) the first time, but it does the second time, then it's most likely the switch itself.

Easiest way to tell would be with a multimeter.

If it were me I'd replace the switch anyway.


Replacing the button is going way overboard. Pull the rubber cover off the button and give it a good squirt of CRC and all will be good. Had a similar problem with the kill button on a 165Hp Turbo Yanmar on the 60 footer I manage. I regularly squirt CRC onto all switches on the boat as the slightest hint of corrosion on contact faces will cause intermittent faults.
frant
frant
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10 Feb 2016 12:18pm
frant said..

nebbian said..
If nothing actually happens (no relays clicking, no solenoid thumping) the first time, but it does the second time, then it's most likely the switch itself.

Easiest way to tell would be with a multimeter.

If it were me I'd replace the switch anyway.



Replacing the button is going way overboard. Pull the rubber cover off the button and give it a good squirt of CRC and all will be good. Had a similar problem with the kill button on a 165Hp Turbo Yanmar on the 60 footer I manage. I regularly squirt CRC onto all switches on the boat as the slightest hint of corrosion on contact faces will cause intermittent faults.


Looks like red thumb is back in action. Possibly should have suggested you use RP7 rather than CRC to appease the red thumber.
HG02
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10 Feb 2016 12:31pm
You can buy contact clean lots of companies sell it including crc
A mixture of baking soda and water and an old tooth brush bows the job clean and dry afterwards works for me
TKNick
TKNick
NSW
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10 Feb 2016 6:25pm
Had this same problem with my Yanmar 3QM30. Fixed by cleaning all contacts along ignition circuit. I didn't clean under the rubber button though will do this next week. I am considering adding a relay solenoid to the circuit.
Donk107
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10 Feb 2016 8:55pm
Hi all

Thanks for the information so far

I have a rdo on friday so i will go out to the boat with my multimeter , pull all the harness connectors and terminals apart, tension them up, give them a squirt with contact cleaner,find the hidden inline fuse and see how we go

Regards Don
cisco
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10 Feb 2016 9:40pm
frant said..


Looks like red thumb is back in action. Possibly should have suggested you use RP7 rather than CRC to appease the red thumber.


Welcome back frant. You must have got a couple of green ones by the look of the amp meter bar atop the thread.
Yara
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11 Feb 2016 1:28pm
cisco said..


frant said..


Looks like red thumb is back in action. Possibly should have suggested you use RP7 rather than CRC to appease the red thumber.




Welcome back frant. You must have got a couple of green ones by the look of the amp meter bar atop the thread.



OK I'll admit I haven't a clue what you are talking about. I know what RP7 and CRC cleaners are, but:

Red thumb? Amp meter bar at the top of the thread?
samsturdy
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11 Feb 2016 2:16pm
Yara said..

cisco said..



frant said..


Looks like red thumb is back in action. Possibly should have suggested you use RP7 rather than CRC to appease the red thumber.





Welcome back frant. You must have got a couple of green ones by the look of the amp meter bar atop the thread.




OK I'll admit I haven't a clue what you are talking about. I know what RP7 and CRC cleaners are, but:

Red thumb? Amp meter bar at the top of the thread?



It's an 'in' joke Yara.
aus005
aus005
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11 Feb 2016 4:29pm
hi donk
same thing happened to my 2qm20 yanmar before christmas it was becoming harder to start and bang turn key on push button nothing at all no lights no buzzers no power turned out it was the ignition where the key goes in i took it out my self auto electrician tested it for free 1 min job and sold me a newie for $50 its not a marine one but mine is down below.
Motor starts now with vigor like it has been crying out for more start power for a while hope this helps
santanasaga
santanasaga
NSW
123 posts
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11 Feb 2016 9:19pm
I had a 2gm in my last boat with an intermittent start problem. Should work when the starter was tapped with a hammer. I removed the starter and had the bushes all replaced. No more problem. I have also installed a start relay on another 2gm20 x-yacht which was having difficulty starting. You have lots of ideas of things to try now!
HG02
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11 Feb 2016 9:41pm
Maybe you should trade up on a Walker H28 Donk Ha ha
Donk107
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11 Feb 2016 9:55pm
HG02 said..
Maybe you should trade up on a Walker H28 Donk Ha ha


Hi HG

The funny thing is that most people think i already have a H28 anyway because they look so similar (apart from the rudder configuration)

It is only when you slip it that the difference is obvious

Regards Don
Donk107
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12 Feb 2016 6:39pm
Hi all

Went out to the boat today with a multimeter and checked the resistance of all the wires, switches and connectors in the starting circuit

Also checked battery voltage and then worked my way along the circuit and only had approx 0.2 volt drop at most (under no load)

Pulled the connectors apart and gave them a squirt with contact cleaner, spread the pins out and plugged them back in

The only suspect thing i found was the inline fuse holder with a glass fuse looked a bit dodgy where the ends of the fuse clipped into the wire terminals

Stuck it back together and started it a number of times and it cranked each time

Could be wishful thinking but i didn't seem to have to push the press button in as far as i used to before the starter motor started spinning

Went for a sail for a couple of hours and it started first go afterwards so hopefully i have fixed it (time will tell)

Regards Don
Donk107
Donk107
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12 Feb 2016 9:23pm
Hi HG

I have seen those inline blade fuse holders before and they look good but as long as it keeps working i will probably just leave it as it is for the moment

When i was out there today i measured the luff and foot of the main (I think you wanted to compare it to yours) and it is approx 9050 mm in the luff and 3000 mm in the foot

Regards Don
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