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sirgallivant
sirgallivant
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11 Mar 2013 1:40am
I am looking for information on Adams 28 yachts produced by South Seas Yachting Pty.Ltd. in Tonga in 1989. Any technical information, especially on the hull, method of production, solid GPR or sandwich foam, etc. would be greatly appreciated. The high of the mast also. If some drawings would be available that would be the best.
cisco
cisco
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12 Mar 2013 1:29am
I don't know anything about Adams 28s produced in Tonga.

They are a magnificent design from Joe Adams but there are surprisingly few of them around.

I saw one in Brisbane built by Reg Brost of Steelcraft Engineering that was round bilge steel hull and deck with a stainless steel flange on the inside edge of the deck to which was bolted a fibreglass cabin top and cockpit moulding.

Maybe the images below are of assistance.



sirgallivant
sirgallivant
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12 Mar 2013 10:49pm
cisco said...
I don't know anything about Adams 28s produced in Tonga.

They are a magnificent design from Joe Adams but there are surprisingly few of them around.

I saw one in Brisbane built by Reg Brost of Steelcraft Engineering that was round bilge steel hull and deck with a stainless steel flange on the inside edge of the deck to which was bolted a fibreglass cabin top and cockpit moulding.

Maybe the images below are of assistance.






sirgallivant
sirgallivant
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12 Mar 2013 11:06pm
Thanks for that Mate!
I found one in sunny QLD in GPR and l was wandering, is it a solid one or a sandwich? It has a different layout and looks pretty. A bit pricey though for 39k.
Would you have a plan on a Peter Cole Mutiny 28?
Hope l'm not stretching the friendship too much... regards
Happy Easter to all ...........
cisco
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13 Mar 2013 12:02am
Sorry mate. Can't help you with Cole designs.

I have always been a fan of Joe Adams steel yacht designs and the Van De Stadt 34 and to a lesser degree the VDS 40.

I think the Adams 28 with a fixed deep keel would be a brilliant offshore yacht. OR maybe a dagger board instead of a pivoting centre board.

Pivoting or swing keel centre boards have always bothered me from an engineering perspective particularly if the centre board is heavy and relied upon for part of the ballast.

The pivot pin is a heavy load area and will always be a maintenance issue that if neglected can easily result in a sinking.

I had a Windrush Wildfire some years ago which had a 10 kg buoyant daggerboard and an external lead ballast keel. This set up ensured a constant stability curve yet gave the yacht great pointing ability on the wind with the board down and planing ability off the wind with the board up.

The daggerboard was only held in place by a couple of rubber door stop wedges so if the board touched bottom it would usually just pop up.

If it grounded hard and snapped off it is not a big deal. The stability of the yacht is still maintained and all you have to do is build or buy another daggerboard.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
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13 Mar 2013 11:44am
Yeah. This one is definitely GPR and has a fin keel with a ransom hang skeg-rudder.
The thing l am trying to find out, is it solid GPR or foam sandwich???
The boat was built by South Seas Yachting Pty.Ltd. in Tonga or Fiji as far as l was told, and imported to QLD.
The broker who imported it, tells me, he has no definite idea and no plans either. He says, it is solid GPR but "l could be wrong, might be foam " ! ?
Photos do not give a definite answer but l have a hunch looking at those pictures, it is foam sandwich .
No place l could find on the net with any info, no trace of the thing left, no data l could put my dirty paws on let alone the ones you posted.
If you would be good enough to look at those pic's and speak your mind about them, l would consider myself in debt to you to the extent of a beer or three for
your trouble.
All l need is an Email address.
patrigo28
patrigo28
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16 Mar 2013 8:33pm
Came across the A28 page by chance so have signed up on this site. I own a Reg Brost built A28 (he built it for himself in 1986 and I am the third owner) I bought it in 1989. It has a winged keel and still retains the swing board in the keel. I have added wheel steering, a boom gallows over the wheel and a mainsheet traveler over the hatch. This gives plenty to hold when going from cockpit to deck and back and takes clutter out of the cockpit near the companionway. Roller furlers on jib and staysail. I heard about the plan to build glass A28's in Tonga (about 1989)as I knew a sailmaker who was thinking of joining the project. My recollection is that the idea came to nothing or folded soon after starting.
AucklandPete
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31 Mar 2013 8:16pm
Hi, I own the original Joe Adams 28 built by South Seas Yachts in Tonga. Her original name I believe was 'Carina'. She was the plug for the fiberglass mould and is constructed of two diagonal kauri, a third longitudinal layer of mahogany and glassed over inside and out. I have seen photos of a Queensland one and she looks very similar. I believe the fiberglass ones were solid fiberglass not foam core. Would be pleased to help with any more info you want and would love to hear from anyone who knows some history
cisco
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31 Mar 2013 10:55pm
^^^^ OK, so you both own Adams 28s.

Can you describe their sailing performance on various points of wind.

I had a look at the fibreglass one on the Sunny Coast and it is quite a magic little yacht.
patrigo28
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1 Apr 2013 8:19pm
Okay, mine is a steel Adams with a steel deck which was not in the original design(was plywood).Steel chainplates coming through a steel deck don't leak. Reg Brost put wings on the keel which are tear drop shaped in plan section, about 350 at the forward end outside the keel face on each side tapering to nothing at the aft end. Joe reckoned she would sail better without the wings but I went aground once and she sat upright on the wet sand, steady as a rock with about 15-20 knots blowing athwartships. So I like the wings but they add a bit of weight (in the right place!)The board is glassed timber with a bit of ballast on the end so that it will drop out of the keel. The pin is 25mm stainless.Recently a crane picked her up and with a small amount of gear aboard she displaces about 5.3 tonnes (crane guage)-a relatively heavy boat. Got hit by a small hailstorm on Morton Bay once under 150% genoa, staysail and full main. WSI recorded 52 knots and for about 15 secs we were totally overpowered (rudder out of the water) with the masthead about 4m off the surface and blasted with hailstones about the size of small plums. A fender and flipper saved our heads but our arms, legs and bodies were bruised. No damage to the boat. In 1974 I was crew on a 36ft double ended ketch (gaff on the main) crossing the Tasman in a cyclone and looking back I would much rather have been on my Adams. To windward she likes a good breeze and can hold a heading well, punching through waves rather than being knocked sideways. Have a homemade wind vane and she sailed well with that, on and off the wind. So generally a viceless little vessel that keeps me very happy.Have not seen another yacht I would want more
cisco
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2 Apr 2013 9:56am
Thanks for that.

Are your cabin top and cockpit a single fibreglass moulding like I described earlier??

Displacement at 5.3 tonnes does seem heavy however a friend had a 30 ft Tahiti ketch in steel that came in at 9 tonnes and it floated.

At one stage I wanted to build an Adams 33/35 steel hull and deck with the bolted in cabin top/cockpit moulding.
AucklandPete
AucklandPete
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2 Apr 2013 5:15pm
Hi Cisco. As an Adams 28 enthusiast I'm probably the wrong person to ask. Of course I would say they sail perfectly at all points! Mine has the cruising fin keel with 1816kg ballast. She is primarily a cruising yacht and not a racer, but a good blue water cruiser does need to keep up a good daily average. She does! She has a fine entry, rounded sections, a narrow beam but is reasonably powerfull aft. This means she points and reaches very well. Running is not generally the strength of this type of design but she still performs well goose-winged without the tenderness you would expect from a boat with a narrow racing fin. She is pretty much vice free and punches above her weight for her size. One memorable occasion I made the wrong decision when returning from a summer cruise I ended up spending most of the day in winds peaking over 45k on the starboard quarter and very rough breaking seas. With three reefs in the main and a heavily reefed headsail we were struggling to keep the speed down to between 7 - 8k and she was handling the seas with aplomb. For most of the day we were pacing a 40ft sloop returning home from Tasmania.
The article you attached earlier, which publication did that come from? Was it written by Joe Adams? Any idea when he first penned the design?
Cheers.
patrigo28
patrigo28
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2 Apr 2013 9:08pm
In reply to your query, Cisco, yes. A stainless flat bar 2in * 1/4 (could be 50*6, I've not measured it) is welded right around the deck and deck frames at an angle corresponding to the inward slope of the cabin sides. The glass moulding is screwed in to female threads in the stainless through a bronze strip of half round which goes right around the overlap. The horizontal glass is end grain balsa cored from the foredeck to the main hatch bulkhead.
To Auckland Pete, I have a booklet, "Adams Yacht Design", published in 1984 which contains the article Cisco produced. Written by Joe the booklet was first published in 1977, so the A28 has been around a while. By the way do you guys know that Joe was murdered in the Philipines last year? Found by his gardener, sprawled in a chair with his throat cut.
cisco
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2 Apr 2013 11:35pm
There, patrigo has answered you question A P.

The booklet I have is the Adams Yacht Design book from the early eighties and the Adams 28 spec pages were a supplement not bound in the book.

The book is in very good condition and probably worth a quid or two on sleazebay.

Real people usually don't mess with that crap.

@ patrigo28. The photos I have (not digital) may be of your yacht when she was being trimmed at Steel Craft.

When I can dig them up I will scan them and post them.
patrigo28
patrigo28
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3 Apr 2013 7:49pm
Cisco, I would be very interested in the photos you have mentioned. If you can find them it would be great. I reckon RB didn't build many A28's and mine he built for himself, hence the wings and steel deck. I will work on my photos also.
cisco
cisco
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4 Apr 2013 10:12pm
Went to the photo drawer night before last and the very first photo that came out were of an Adams 28.

I scanned them and tried to post but the files were too fat. I think it was because the scanner was in document mode.

I will get to it over the weekend with some other interesting shots.
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