Aftermarket exhaust elbow

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QLDCruiser
QLDCruiser
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9 Apr 2014 11:47am
I need to replace the exhaust elbow on my Volvo D2-55. A Volvo part is horrendously expensive in Au, not much change from $1,000. It may be less if I order from overseas, but freight on such a heavy item is likely to cancel out any savings.

Does anyone know of an Australian manufacturer of aftermarket marine exhaust components? Online searches haven't turned anything up for me, but I can't believe there isn't someone out there...
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
2140 posts
NSW, 2140 posts
9 Apr 2014 12:51pm
Genuine part number is 21424345 there may be variances depending on engine model eg. D2-55A, B or C etc.

$773.85 from Marine Direct in Sydney or UKP 301.50 excluding VAT from the UK ....... plus freight

http://www.marinedirect.com.au/catalogue/c3899/c3925/c3926/p691446 .......... phone 02 9909 8555

www.keypart.com/stock/v21424345


On further reading, a D2-55 is a marinised Perkins engine, you may wish to follow that if there are any other similarities that interchange with your engine.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
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9 Apr 2014 10:10pm
Mate that is a fairly simple looking (image is small) four bolt rectangular flange with a pipe shaped outlet with one or two smaller water inlets.

I would be taking the original to my local marine fabrication and welding shop and asking the guy to make one out of stainless for me.

I can't see more than $200 in it and it will last a lot longer than the original.

Making wet exhaust elbows out of cast iron just does not make sense. The hot salt water sucks the guts out of the cast iron and turns it into a brittle piece of honeycomb.

This was discussed on this forum about a year and a half ago.

Diecon " http://www.corcooling.com.au/ " in Brisbane make marine cooling components but mostly for Kubotas. You could try them.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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10 Apr 2014 9:08am
cisco said..

Mate that is a fairly simple looking (image is small) four bolt rectangular flange with a pipe shaped outlet with one or two smaller water inlets.

I would be taking the original to my local marine fabrication and welding shop and asking the guy to make one out of stainless for me.

I can't see more than $200 in it and it will last a lot longer than the original.

Making wet exhaust elbows out of cast iron just does not make sense. The hot salt water sucks the guts out of the cast iron and turns it into a brittle piece of honeycomb.

This was discussed on this forum about a year and a half ago.

Diecon " http://www.corcooling.com.au/ " in Brisbane make marine cooling components but mostly for Kubotas. You could try them.



Yes the cast iron is meant to be sacrificial. Marinised Kubotas usually have a simple cast iron bit just after the exhaust junction which is designed to fail and is cheap to replace. I have seen pictures of SS exhaust elbows made for Volvos and I have saved a couple so that I can make my own when the times comes.

Use Google images to find yours and chase the link from there.
cisco
cisco
QLD
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10 Apr 2014 10:32am
Ramona said..
Yes the cast iron is meant to be sacrificial.


Why is that so?? Is it so the rest of the wet manifold does not erode??
QLDCruiser
QLDCruiser
QLD
160 posts
QLD, 160 posts
10 Apr 2014 11:51am
Thanks for the replies.

Options for a new Volvo part are:
1. Local Volvo dealer Moore Marine at Cleveland: $751
2. marinedirect.com.au $794 inc shipping
3. keypart.com, UK, $664 inc shipping. My best option so far, thanks LooseChange.

I'm chasing up fabricators now. Because of the corrosion issues I'd rather go with someone with specific experience in marine wet exhausts, rather than just getting the local SS welder to knock something up. There are lots of companies specialising in this in the US, but I haven't found anyone locally yet. I'll post any updates, in the meantime if anyone has specific recommendations I'm all ears.
seabird
seabird
QLD
227 posts
QLD, 227 posts
10 Apr 2014 1:21pm
QldCruiser,
I've just got some Volvo parts from the US www.marinepartsexpress.com , they were half the price of local Volvo suppliers, postage was $95 for about 4kgs.

It took about two weeks for delivery from placing the order, arrived as ordered yesterday.

The customer service was great responded to a few questions I had quickly.
Better than Seamech (Brisbane) who I approached 3 times to get a quote, I'm still waiting for them to come back to me!!!
BlueMoon
BlueMoon
866 posts
866 posts
10 Apr 2014 6:35pm
I don't know how relevant it will be to you QLDcruiser....we had a discussion about this on the top hat site, when I needed to replace mine, I ended up making one which seemed to work well (have since gone to OB motor tho') www.tophatyachts.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=502 cheers
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
10 Apr 2014 9:53pm
IN Mexican land on H28 a few Bukh's DV 20's have gal pipe exhaust made up I noticed mine has as well
BlueMoon
BlueMoon
866 posts
866 posts
10 Apr 2014 11:11pm
There was a reason why it was better to make them out of steel/gal pipe(IIRC) rather than SS but cant remember at the moment, cheers
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
11 Apr 2014 5:31am
BlueMoon said..

There was a reason why it was better to make them out of steel/gal pipe(IIRC) rather than SS but cant remember at the moment, cheers


I'm not absolutely sure but if you use marine diesel it has more sulphur than road diesel . So they say stainless steel will last longer and perhaps cast as well with road diesel.
But this was from a UK site some where it may be different on OZ . I have no idea if the recipe is different here for either or the same for both marine and road diesel
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
11 Apr 2014 9:34am
cisco said..

Ramona said..
Yes the cast iron is meant to be sacrificial.


Why is that so?? Is it so the rest of the wet manifold does not erode??



Yes. If you look at the manifolds on larger Volvos there is usually and end plate made of cast iron that is made to fail first and is cheap to replace.

The link Bluemoon posted above has all the information required to make a suitable replacement. There is always plenty of discussion on what material is most suitable. I think it is mostly what ever your most comfortable with. Mild steel plumbing parts will have a fairly long life. SS steel looks good if the exhaust is in a position you can show it off to your mates!

As far as I know we only have road diesel in Australia, bit drier than the old style to suit modern cars.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
11 Apr 2014 11:59pm
The cast elbow on a Nanni/Kubota I had chaffed it, so I had a s/s flange made and pipe with water injection tube welded to it. I made sure the water injector tube projected inside almost to the end of the pipe ensuring the water flow would be in the exit direction.

Then there was a short length of rubber exhaust hose connected to a light gauge s/s muffler/water trap. It lasted about three months while I was chartering regularly before the hot salt water chewed it out.

I then measured the amount of water that would lay in the hose if there was no water trap. It was minimal so I made a judgement call to just go with the hose only with a high loop just before exit from the transom to prevent flushing from a following sea.

It worked quite fine and there was no significant increase in exhaust noise as once the water is mixed with it, it kills the bark. I must say though I never did get in a big enough following sea to know if there would be a flush back.

That was that boat. For most yachts I think it is still a good idea to have a water trap on the exhaust as long as it is not made of stainless steel. Hot salt water kills stainless steel.
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