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josusa
josusa
WA
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10 Dec 2016 6:24am
I have been looking out for a used anchor winch for my modified Adams 28 for some time now without much success. Has anyone ever tried the float with the ring on a 1m rope that you hook onto the rode and then drive in an arc towards the anchor? The chain and anchor end up being suspended by the float (chain counter balancing the anchor).
Toph
Toph
WA
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10 Dec 2016 7:03am
I have tried it with a powerboat. It worked ok. I'm not sure how it would work with a yacht. It took more Hp then I expected.

It is simple and cheap enough to experiment with it though.
Datawiz
Datawiz
VIC
605 posts
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10 Dec 2016 10:20am
I use it a lot on my power boat - works well.
Also have one on the yacht.
Think professional fishermen use it.
I found mine washed up on the local surf beach.
Float, loop, etc - all heavy duty professional stuff
regards,
allan
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
NSW
1000 posts
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10 Dec 2016 11:48am
As the others have said I use to use it on a power boat I don't think you will get enough speed to cause the resistance needed for it to work.
Have you thought about using one of your winches either halyard or a sheet winch as a manual winch ?
Drive forward till the rode is vertical then use the manual winch to lift it up.
HG02
HG02
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5814 posts
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10 Dec 2016 1:07pm
Search you tube there is videos on it
josusa
josusa
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
11 Dec 2016 12:01am
Toph said..
I have tried it with a powerboat. It worked ok. I'm not sure how it would work with a yacht. It took more Hp then I expected.

It is simple and cheap enough to experiment with it though.


Thanks for that Toph, I will give it a go. I can probably only get about 7 knots flat out on Pelagia, it might be enough to make it work.
josusa
josusa
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
11 Dec 2016 12:03am
Datawiz said..
I use it a lot on my power boat - works well.
Also have one on the yacht.
Think professional fishermen use it.
I found mine washed up on the local surf beach.
Float, loop, etc - all heavy duty professional stuff
regards,
allan



Half your luck with the freebee. i have bought the thing they sell at whitworth marine. I will try it out using a couple of fenders as the float. Does it work ok with your yacht? if so what speed do you need?
josusa
josusa
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
11 Dec 2016 12:09am
twodogs1969 said..
As the others have said I use to use it on a power boat I don't think you will get enough speed to cause the resistance needed for it to work.
Have you thought about using one of your winches either halyard or a sheet winch as a manual winch ?
Drive forward till the rode is vertical then use the manual winch to lift it up.


I have heard of people doing that. Will give it a try too, thanks twodogs.
HG02 said..
Search you tube there is videos on it


Hi HG02, I have watched a couple of videos and they have both been with a current and powerboats. Seems yachts might not have the speed needed.
HG02
HG02
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11 Dec 2016 6:34am
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HG02
HG02
VIC
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11 Dec 2016 6:57am
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MUIR-Manual-Vertical-VM500-Anchor-Winch-Windlass-chromed-finish-10mm-chain-16mm-/272223873623?hash=item3f61ceaa57:g:0lsAAOSwA3dYMjP3
manual muir on ebay great for your early morning work out and could be sold on later
They come up second hand maybe three times a year it took me over twelve months to end up with what I have now swap beg and borrowed to some extent
Datawiz
Datawiz
VIC
605 posts
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11 Dec 2016 8:01am
josusa said..

Datawiz said..
I use it a lot on my power boat - works well.
Also have one on the yacht.
Think professional fishermen use it.
I found mine washed up on the local surf beach.
Float, loop, etc - all heavy duty professional stuff
regards,
allan




Half your luck with the freebee. i have bought the thing they sell at whitworth marine. I will try it out using a couple of fenders as the float. Does it work ok with your yacht? if so what speed do you need?


Hi Josusa,
Only used it a couple of times on the yacht (under power) - when batteries were too low to use the electric winch.
Dont recall any difficulty because of speed.
I think it's important that the line runs freely through the loop.
regards,
allan
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7756 posts
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11 Dec 2016 8:59am
I used to use this method regularly with my fishing vessel particularly when anchoring in deep water, 120 metres or so. With a yacht I would suggest driving around the anchor line and gaffing the slack after the buoy and hooking the anchor line over a stern fairlead before accelerating. SS ring that will slide over chain and a buoy that has enough flotation to support the anchor and chain but be capable of submerging to a fair depth when the anchor gets snagged. Also needs some sea room to do this so not for crowded areas.
josusa
josusa
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
11 Dec 2016 7:15am
Datawiz said..

josusa said..


Datawiz said..
I use it a lot on my power boat - works well.
Also have one on the yacht.
Think professional fishermen use it.
I found mine washed up on the local surf beach.
Float, loop, etc - all heavy duty professional stuff
regards,
allan





Half your luck with the freebee. i have bought the thing they sell at whitworth marine. I will try it out using a couple of fenders as the float. Does it work ok with your yacht? if so what speed do you need?



Hi Josusa,
Only used it a couple of times on the yacht (under power) - when batteries were too low to use the electric winch.
Dont recall any difficulty because of speed.
I think it's important that the line runs freely through the loop.
regards,
allan


Yes I think that the clip (i think it's called an ezi lift) that I bought from Whitworths might not let the rope and chain run easily enough to work properly. It is designed to only let the rode through in one direction so that if the pull decreases the anchor cannot slide back down and reset. Other rings don't have the spring gate and rely on rhe chain being heavier than the anchor so that it stays up. I guess I will find out soon enough.
josusa
josusa
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
11 Dec 2016 7:20am
Ramona said..
I used to use this method regularly with my fishing vessel particularly when anchoring in deep water, 120 metres or so. With a yacht I would suggest driving around the anchor line and gaffing the slack after the buoy and hooking the anchor line over a stern fairlead before accelerating. SS ring that will slide over chain and a buoy that has enough flotation to support the anchor and chain but be capable of submerging to a fair depth when the anchor gets snagged. Also needs some sea room to do this so not for crowded areas.


Yes it's not suitable for Rottnest anchorages probably. Thanks for the input Ramona. They do say to only attach to the bow but your suggestion of the stern fairlead sounds logical to me.
Datawiz
Datawiz
VIC
605 posts
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11 Dec 2016 10:26am
josusa said..

Datawiz said..


josusa said..



Datawiz said..
I use it a lot on my power boat - works well.
Also have one on the yacht.
Think professional fishermen use it.
I found mine washed up on the local surf beach.
Float, loop, etc - all heavy duty professional stuff
regards,
allan






Half your luck with the freebee. i have bought the thing they sell at whitworth marine. I will try it out using a couple of fenders as the float. Does it work ok with your yacht? if so what speed do you need?




Hi Josusa,
Only used it a couple of times on the yacht (under power) - when batteries were too low to use the electric winch.
Dont recall any difficulty because of speed.
I think it's important that the line runs freely through the loop.
regards,
allan



Yes I think that the clip (i think it's called an ezi lift) that I bought from Whitworths might not let the rope and chain run easily enough to work properly. It is designed to only let the rode through in one direction so that if the pull decreases the anchor cannot slide back down and reset. Other rings don't have the spring gate and rely on rhe chain being heavier than the anchor so that it stays up. I guess I will find out soon enough.


I had the clip type - scrapped it, couldn't get it to work reliably
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7756 posts
NSW, 7756 posts
11 Dec 2016 5:30pm
josusa said..

Ramona said..
I used to use this method regularly with my fishing vessel particularly when anchoring in deep water, 120 metres or so. With a yacht I would suggest driving around the anchor line and gaffing the slack after the buoy and hooking the anchor line over a stern fairlead before accelerating. SS ring that will slide over chain and a buoy that has enough flotation to support the anchor and chain but be capable of submerging to a fair depth when the anchor gets snagged. Also needs some sea room to do this so not for crowded areas.



Yes it's not suitable for Rottnest anchorages probably. Thanks for the input Ramona. They do say to only attach to the bow but your suggestion of the stern fairlead sounds logical to me.


I used a SS ring about 6 inches across. The anchor hangs under the buoy by the shank so the buoy needs to be large enough to support the chain and anchor. If you have a deck hand, drive directly up wind/current at idle around the anchor rope. Have the deckhand walk the rope to the stern with the slack and hook it over a fairlead. This way as you put the power up to full the rope will just lay under the stanchions and not mark the topsides. As you head off upwind the buoy will disappear into the depths, sometimes going right to the bottom. When it reappears stop the boat and either drift down on to it or drive down as you recover the rope. If you are by yourself it's just as easy if you use an autopilot.
josusa
josusa
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
11 Dec 2016 4:51pm
cisco said...

I wouldn't muck about with retrieval devices or any horizontal winches.

I found this one which if it includes the motor and gearbox (listing says it does), is an absolute bargain at $575. It is made of stainless, appears to have a manual override and guess what, made in Australia.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Electric-anchor-winch/222288497237?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D39923%26meid%3D82d8f43852c64fae930ac6ffdc69b5db%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D272457100520


I have been looking at that one Cisco. It might be borderline as far as power goes though. It does look the goods otherwise and great price.
josusa
josusa
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
11 Dec 2016 5:00pm
$32 down the gurgler. I'm new at this. I am sure it will come in handy for something a conversation piece maybe. I don't mind spending abut of money on things except if they don't work.
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