Anchor retrieval techniques

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madmission
madmission
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25 Mar 2015 2:35pm
I am interested in hearing of Anchor retrieval techniques for a >4000 kg boat assuming any anchor winch on board has failed or not existent and using appropriate anchor , chain and rode that guarantees restful sleep.
may sound dumb but i sometimes struggle with my B20 <1000 kg with its 4 kg Delta , minimum chain and nylon rode when conditions worsen and wondering how bigger heavier boats manage , especially solo.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
1531 posts
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25 Mar 2015 3:33pm
Take one advice from me. Never ever drop your anchor without a trip line, ever.
Otherwise, google 'anchor retrieval techniques'.
Franrick
Franrick
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25 Mar 2015 12:49pm
OK, I'm assuming you have dropped anchor and whatever retrieval technique you use isn't retrieving your anchor.

First, retrieve as much anchor rode as you can. Get in in and tight.

Next, Wait, as long as it takes. When your boat lifts to the next swell, take in as much as you can. By hand if necessary.

Next, wait as long as is needed and on the next swell, take in a much as you can.

Keep this up and you will retrieve your anchor.

If your anchor is really embedded solidly..................

Take as much in as you can, you need to put some effort in here

On the next swell, as your boat goes DOWN, take in as much slack as you can. Keep doing this, eventually you boats buoyancy will overcome the anchor drag and you will be able to retrieve your anchor. If the last effort doesn't work, you may have to consider loosing your anchor.

I have retrieved a few very well seated using this method.

Of course, a good anchor winch makes all o the above a bit easier.

Franrick
Franrick
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25 Mar 2015 1:01pm
sirgallivant's advise is very good advise.

However I have only lost one anchor in over 35 years of cruising.

I have never employed a trip line and in 35 years it has save me endless hours of stuffing around and one $135 anchor and probably 20 meters of chain.

You have to make your own decision here.

I still don't employ a trip line and I am willing to replace my anchor if my decision is wrong.

With that in mind I usually carry three anchors.

As an afternote.

When I DID have to sacrifice my anchor it was in Sydney Harbour. I marked my anchor line with a buoy and by the time had returned about four hours later with SCUBA gear to recover it someone else had already helped themselves to it.

The world is full of opportunists.

madmission
madmission
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25 Mar 2015 4:12pm
What i would like to know if you anchor frequently with a heavy boat what methods do you use to retrieve your anchor especially if you dont have a dedicated winch
How necessary is it to have a winch on a boat up to 4 - 5 ton ...< 32 ' range ?
Franrick
Franrick
289 posts
289 posts
25 Mar 2015 1:23pm
madmission, My current boat is a little, not a lot, over your weight limits. It's the heaviest boat I have owned and I have a electric anchor winch.

On my previous boats, (3) I have only ever had a manual winch on one and that was a Compass 29.

Both my boats before the Compass were 26 footers and manually hauling the anchor in was the norm.

Electric anchor winches are worth their weight in gold. They are like autopilots, you don't know what your missing until you have one.
madmission
madmission
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25 Mar 2015 6:17pm
Franrick said..
Electric anchor winches are worth their weight in gold. They are like autopilots, you don't know what your missing until you have one.


But what do you do if it dont work or you aint got one
Do you motor up to it ? I understand and use the technique you described to break the anchor free .

I imagine it would be near impossible to pull it in considering the weight of the boat , windage , swell, stretch in the nylon rode , weight of the anchor and chain
Then what if you are solo and remote to the throttle my auto helm has wireless remote so steering may be ok

Few years back i met a couple from out of Sth Aust who sailed in dangerous waters who avoided the foredeck wherever possible and used a line forward from the cockpit to a ring on the rode which they used to retrieve their anchor from the cockpit , when i tried it i ended up with all the ground tackle in the cockpit ....as expected but without dedicated storage in the cockpit was a pita

the beauty of that is that you are close to the throttle and safe in the cockpit ...still a big effort to lift the weight of the chain and anchor

one other benefit was you could use it as a bridle to offset the lay of the boat in relation to the anchor

the reason i ask is i am contemplating buying a bigger boat which does not have a winch and if i did buy it i would be using the anchor regularly and most likely often in moderate conditions over time yes a winch would be required but initially i wonder whether not having one is insurmountable how do others cope , perhaps i can ask the owner ?

HG02
HG02
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25 Mar 2015 6:39pm
My anchors reasonable heavy and I do not think the last owner used it probably salied her back to the mooring most times, there is a light weight anchor on board Id say he may have used that . Ill be fitting a electric windlass Have thought of buying a manual and changing later but probably the cut out would be different so Ill wait and save up for one. Ill have all the wiring ready before hand.
mangrovefrog
mangrovefrog
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25 Mar 2015 6:53pm
Failing the swell, i have the chain pulled tight and secured, simply idle in gear forwards and/or backwards until anchor moves.. number of times ive upped the revs, bounce and propellor walking..
Once had the tip of the cqr caught in a link of an abondoned mooring rig.. it was a fluke i was able to jiggle out of that with my bare hands.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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25 Mar 2015 7:05pm
We used to anchor my fishing vessel in 120 metres of water regularly. 18 tons and 12 metres of 10mm chain then anchor rode. I could raise the anchor myself but I had deckhands to do the dirty work. When it was time to go home I would attach a large [12 inch] bubble with a couple of hard plastic bubbles attached on a rope to the anchor rode with a large SS shackle. The shackle has to be large enough to slide over the chain and shackles. Mine was one I made and it was about 6 inches across. Just let the shackle slide down the rope so the bubbles float clear. Then with out shortening up, I would drive the boat around the bubbles till they appeared near the stern. Deck hand would pick up the slack rope and hook it over the stern bollard so that the bubbles just disappeared aft of the boat. At this stage I would apply full throttle and drive straight up current. The bubbles would disappear underwater and depending on how well wedged in the anchor was, sometimes going down full depth! Eventually the whole lot is streaming astern. Then stop and drift down and recover the rode, or drive down the line and have the deckhands rip it in. Stop alongside the anchor and chain which just floats there and recover that. Finish making the coffee and flash up the TV for a movie.

Amateur fishermen use a similar method just on a smaller scale. There is actually a spring loaded gismo they use to grip the rope when its raised. Obviously you need some room to carry out this evolution.

I only anchor my yacht in shallow water and use the same method as Franrick. This means I have to take the weight of the anchor and chain but its only for a brief time.
AusCan
AusCan
SA
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26 Mar 2015 12:05am
I have a 17 kg anchor, 20 meters 3/8 chain and 9/16" rode. My vertical capstan anchor winch failed last year, and I was pulling by hand for a few months.

If I had an assistant, I'd have them on the bow pulling in line, and I'd motor slowly towards the anchor. They would direct me to the point where I'm directly over the anchor. The line (or chain) would be tied off to a heavy bow cleat and I'd power slowly into the current/wind pointing the same way as when anchored slowly building revs until the anchor pulls free.
Then its just a bit of exercise to pull to surface.
It gets challenging only in deep water and rough seas, and your boat lies beam-on to a big swell as soon as the anchor is off bottom.


I'd try to avoid motoring up to my anchor when singlehanded, due to the risk of overrunning the line and fouling the prop. If you have all chain rode, its not so much of a worry.

I love my new anchor winch with a combination gypsy and a capstan. It handles the chain/line rode without a hiccup, plus has the capstan for warping any size line. Handy for sucking into a dock against a strong breeze.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
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26 Mar 2015 9:28am
Pain on my 28 that there is no place for anything on the foredeck because of the cutter rig and two hatches.
Three anchors, 20 lb sand, 27 and 35lb mansons, 1x 30m 3/8 normal, 1x 50m close link 3/8 chains lots of nylon rode, double dose of wheatbix and a full scuba gear if all else fails.

HG02
HG02
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26 Mar 2015 10:44am
Im going to try it ,I've heard a Ketch the mizzen will asist in keep her into the wind
DrRog
DrRog
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26 Mar 2015 12:59pm
i had to free dive down to free my chain for the first time last weekend. Thankfully it was only 5 metres and the water was nice and clear. Chain had dropped through a 4m long crevice between two rocks and under the deep lip of one. Would have been faffing around for a while trying to free that without having seen it. Anchor tip was also under a lip on the other side. I slept well the night before when I realised what I'd done (I've scuba dived the site years before and mis-remembered the position of the rocks in the bay - silly). I don't think I could free dive down and rectify anything over 5-7 metres, esp with the short fins I keep on board.

I have 8mm chain. I imagine 10mm chain is a LOT harder to haul.
DrRog
DrRog
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26 Mar 2015 1:03pm
Solo I would consider motoring up beyond the anchor as far as possible (assuming chain only in the water), bow toward teh anchor, neutral then go forward and haul arse. Repeat.
madmission
madmission
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26 Mar 2015 4:28pm
So it sounds like best to break it down to separate steps
1. retrieve the slack by motoring forward carefully ,
i think it unlikely to be physically able to haul 4-5 ton of boat in anything over 10 kts
2. Take up slack and break the hold on the bottom either using the buoyancy or motor propulsion
3. Lift the tackle on board , hand over hand on a heaving foredeck
I know how difficult this can be on my 20 'er
Level of difficulty must increase with size surely there must be tricks or magic....not

So if you have a winch its just a matter of hauling in the whole shebang with the flick of a switch ...sounds like a necessity
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
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26 Mar 2015 6:34pm
I can pull MB up to its mooring or anchor in 25kts by hand so it isn't that difficult to haul her to the anchor.
MB has a 35lb cqr with 20 metres of 8mm chain. My slightly built wife can pull it in in calm conditions from 5-6 metres.
I use the Muir 500 manual winch when on my own. Get the boat up to the anchor rode using the winch, use boat buoyancy or the engine to break the anchor free then either winch or hand it clear of the bottom.
However, on my own on a lee shore in an open anchorage a power winch would be more than handy. I haven't been in that situation and don't plan to.
madmission
madmission
VIC
234 posts
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26 Mar 2015 6:57pm
Thanks for all your inputs ....i am thinking open anchorages and often lee shores
Down south port phillip , westernport and bass strait most weather.
Not the gippsland lakes.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
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26 Mar 2015 10:03pm
I would be apprehensive motoring out an anchor on my own.
I would rather sail it out in normal conditions. We used to do that in the old days when motors were frowned upon as rich man's toys.

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