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MattM14
MattM14
NSW
190 posts
NSW, 190 posts
7 Mar 2012 11:30am
I went for a swim off my yacht last weekend and took the opportunity to have a look at the anode to see how it was travelling. Looked like it was doing what it is supposed to do and wearing away nicely. While checking this out I noticed that there was a patch of marine growth (superficial) in the area immediately around the anode and from it travelling up to the waterline. In the area forward and aft of the anode the growth was the same as on the rest of the hull. So there was just this one patch around the anode.

Is this just coincidental or does the deteriorating anode create the conditions that are more conducive to marine growth?
Crusoe
Crusoe
QLD
1197 posts
QLD, 1197 posts
19 Mar 2012 7:57am
Hello Mat, scary expression -Anodes are wearing away nicely. When I pull my boat out of the water I like to see minimal oxidation of the anodes. This tells me that I don't have a big electrolysis problem. Now I can only guess as to your situation but here goes. If you are using self eroding antifoul the reason for the growth around the anode may be that as you sail/motor along, the water passing over the section of the hull with the anode is disturbed and lifts away from the hull. It's like the anode is dragging its own bit of water along preventing the self eroding antifoul from breaking away from the hull.
Second possibility - When an anode is working it gives off oxygen which may encourage the growth of marine life above and closely around its location. This probably wouldn't be noticeable in a healthy water environment but some locations where boats are kept, like dead end marina with minimal tide movement, have a reduced amount of oxygen in the water. So your anodes may be providing a better location for growth.
If your boat is in a location that lacks oxygen, beware of crevice corrosion in any stainless steel fittings that are below the waterline. Stainless steel (being an alloy) also needs oxygen to oxidise to protect itself, just like aluminium.

MattM14
MattM14
NSW
190 posts
NSW, 190 posts
19 Mar 2012 9:40am
Thanks Crusoe, what you say makes sense re the oxygen promoting more growth.
Now just to take up on your other point about the anodes wearing away. I thought the whole idea of the anodes was that they were "sacrificial" anodes. The whole purpose of the andoe was to offer itself as a more easily depleted metal than say a prop, for example, thereby saving the prop and extending it's life? Isn't that why the anodes get replaced at regular intervals, because they become depleted?
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
19 Mar 2012 3:28pm
I think the correct term for what happens underwater with electrolysis is electrical potential.

The greater the difference between two metals, ie anode and cathode (on the atomic scale) submerged in the electrolyte (sea water), the greater will be the electron flow between the two metals and therefore the erosion of one of them.

If you have a metal hulled yacht, anodes are critical.

Normally one could expect anodes to last for a year before replacement is needed.

If at a haul out the anodes are half eroded, they should be replaced. They are cheap enough in comparison to the risk of not replacing them. The second half I believe will erode quicker than the first half.

If they need replacing after only 6 months, it would be a good idea to investigate why. There are plenty of experienced people around who could probably spot it in a moment.
Disralei
Disralei
NSW
127 posts
NSW, 127 posts
22 Mar 2012 10:25pm
Great advice from Cisco and like Matt I have no problem with anode depletion over time, however and as Cisco mentioned they do wear a hell of a lot quicker when half worn. I had a diver go over my yacht hull three months ago and he reported that the anode had approx 4 to 6 months of expected life, 3 months later she was a shot duck.
Crusoe bring in an interesting slant also, now I will have go away and do more research into this.
Crusoe
Crusoe
QLD
1197 posts
QLD, 1197 posts
19 Apr 2012 8:56am
Hello Matt
Sorry for the late reply. Yes you are correct, the anodes are sacrificial. But it is the rate that they dissolve (for want of a better word) that indicates how hard they are working. Yours could be wearing way correctly and nothing needs to be done. There is a way of measuring the potential difference with a Silver Silver Chloride Half Cell

Theoretically to make a metal last forever, simply raise its relative voltage 225-250 mV by placing sacrificial anodes near it. When you test with the Silver Silver Chloride Half Cell you would need to put the cell in the water near the fitting and the other side of the meter on the fitting (inside the boat). My boat has a steel hull with S/S prop shaft and some more S/S in the rudder but I would do the test in different locations around it due to the impedance (resistance) of the steel.

Gundy

Bit of reading to help you sleep


http://www.marinemechanic.com/site/page37.html

www.marinedirect.com.au/catalogue/c2000/p107159

www.boatzincs.com/corrosion-reference-electrode-specs.html?gclid=COvwxpqtv68CFWlLpgod1yrEwA
MattM14
MattM14
NSW
190 posts
NSW, 190 posts
25 Apr 2012 8:55am
Thanks for the links Crusoe. Some homework for me
WAYNEW
WAYNEW
QLD
3 posts
QLD, 3 posts
30 Apr 2012 9:06pm
MatM14 and others,

Sorry this is a late reply. I have only just started reading the forums. The contributors to this thread are correct about the sacrifical nature of "anodes". The rate of sacrifice will however be increased if you spend a lot of time in a marina and plugged into the shore power. As marinas normally have a common earth is very common for an earth leakage from a boat or number of boats to find its way into your boat via the earth of your power cable and then travel out into the marina via your boat. The most likely place for this stray power to leave your boat is via your anodes. This causes the anodes to be eroded at a higher rate than they should. The fix is realively simple -either don't plug into marina shore power (often not possible) or have an electrician check your shore power for leakage into your boat and if leakage inwards is found fit a "electrolysis blocker" to your earth lead. When we had ours checked we found we had 4 amps coming in via our earth lead.This device stops stray current coming into your boat while still allowing leakage to go to earth from your boat if a fault occurs. Your sparkie shouild be able to source the "blocker" for about $250.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
8 May 2012 9:56pm
If you have an old 60's or 70's car a couple of zinc anodes on the chassis help stop that niggly flat battery problem and slow the rusting
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