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sailor37
sailor37
NSW
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13 Aug 2009 11:23pm
Hi just wondering who people thought was the best sailor at the moment and also of all time.
Im for Nathan Outteridge, VERY IMPRESSIVE career. In the last Month, 49er WC, 2nd in 29er and at the moment is on track to win Moth WC!
anyone elses thoughts?
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
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WA, 1322 posts
13 Aug 2009 9:47pm
Well I may be off track..... or not.

But in 1983 there was one hellova bloody Aussie Legend called John Bertrand.
He skippered Australia 2 and won the Americas cup From "them" for the first time in history.
America had held the cup since 1851 which still to this day was the longest winning streak in sporting history- Ouch Dennis

I believe that John bertrand is also the reason for the world sailing games coming to Perth next year.

Nice work Birch
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
13 Aug 2009 9:48pm
Howie Hamlin would have to be up there. 18ft skiff worlds, 14ft skiff worlds, 505worlds . There maybe others but I'm not sure.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
14 Aug 2009 4:08am
sailor37 said...

Hi just wondering who people thought was the best sailor at the moment and also of all time.


It depends what the criteria is for "best" sailor. Some might say Magellan, Drake, Nelson, Bligh, Cook, Villiers, Slocum, Voss, Blythe, Motissier, Lewis, Chichester, Sanders, Cottee or even Martin.

I have read "The Long Way" by Bernard Motissier, "Ice Bird" by David Lewis and "The Set of the Sails", "By Way of Cape Horn" and "The Cruise of the CONRAD" by Alan Villiers.

They are all pretty cool dudes but I learnt the most about the mind set of a true sailor from Alan Villiers and he is an Aussie who became a director of the National Maritime Museum at Greenwhich.

His books are quite rare and if you ever get hold of one do not let it go as they are gold. Cheers Cisco

Multihull1
Multihull1
QLD
130 posts
QLD, 130 posts
14 Aug 2009 9:39pm
Good on ya cisco
classic line up there. Met J bertrand few times great sailor and nice person cant say the same about Dennis who i knew better.
Any idea where i could get a copy of one of Villier's books?? havent read any of his.
HOws that new boat of yours coming also, haven't had an up date from you
will send photos of the landyacht to your PM.
Hope your daughters car going well also
Robert
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
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WA, 1322 posts
14 Aug 2009 8:03pm
I hear Fairwind on sailx.com is pretty damn good too
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
15 Aug 2009 12:01am
I tried to have a go on SailX but couldn't get my head around the user interface too well.

Here is one you might like to try. Go to www.x-sail.com and click on the bottom button on the left to download the game. It is a landsailing race game and is put out by the Scottish direct competitors to blokart.

The boat is coming along well Robert. I have emptied her right out and she is now sitting about three inches higher in the water. She is due to come out of the water at the end of the month. The van is looking good mate. Cheers Peter.

Re Alan Villiers, google him, lots of good stuff there and www.booktopia.com.au say that they have his books.
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
14 Aug 2009 10:51pm
Hey cheers Cisco that was pretty cool. Man if if its anything like the real thing I gotta get one!!! Only prob is bituman hurts aye, all part off the fun tho I bet

If sailx isnt working for you, download the latest version of Java. I believe there are a few of on here using it. See you in the regatta
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
15 Aug 2009 11:38am
The bitumen doesn't hurt ya if ya keep all ya body parts in side the kart. When the kart gets slapped down by a gust or you just plain lose it the first thing that hits the tarmac is the mast.

There are three safety rules with the real thing.
1. Always ride with helmet and seat belt securely buckled.
2. Never put any part of your body outside the kart when in motion.
3. Have FUN.

If you want to try it out sometime go here www.landsailingwa.com.au/index.html and contact Barry Mason. They sail regularly on Lake Wallyangup, Safety Bay. It is another dimension of wind powered sports and the speed is mind blowing. Cheers Cisco

TornadoALIVE
TornadoALIVE
NSW
45 posts
NSW, 45 posts
19 Aug 2009 11:14pm
Darren Bundock

2 x Olympic Silver Medal (2000 & 2008)

6 x Tornado World Championships (1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2008)

5 x Tornado European (Nyberg) Championships (1999, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007)

2 x ISAF World Sailing Games (Multihull) (2002, 2006)

3 x Formula 18 World Championships (2004, 2005, 2007)

Or Glenn Ashby

1 x Olympic Silver Medal (2008)

2 x Tornado World Championships (2006, 2008)

1 x Tornado European (Nyberg) Championships (2007)

2 x ISAF World Sailing Games (Multihull) (2002, 2006)

3 x Formula 18 World Championships (2004, 2005, 2007)

6 x A Class World Championships (1996, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008)

Held 3 world championships in 2008 - A Class, Tornado and F18
whiteout
whiteout
QLD
269 posts
QLD, 269 posts
24 Aug 2009 9:33pm
I have to say Ben Lexan, Vasco DeGarma, and Mathew Flinders, Ken Beashel, Phil Smidmore, Colin Bate to name a few really anyone who loves sailing and keeps their dreams alive and lives the simple life of sailing where they want when they want. Yacht Racing is not the only endeavour where you have good sailors they actually exist in cruising yachts too.
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
25 Aug 2009 9:24am
Right on whiteout!!!
dralyagmas
dralyagmas
SA
380 posts
SA, 380 posts
25 Aug 2009 10:19am
Don't really want to say a Kiwi but Russell Coutts

Or Ben Ainslie
TornadoALIVE
TornadoALIVE
NSW
45 posts
NSW, 45 posts
25 Aug 2009 8:39pm
Paul Elvstr?m

http://www.sailing.org/halloffame/21227.php

Paul Elvstr?m retired from Olympic sailing more than 20 years ago. But he remains the most successful Olympic sailor in the sport and the person whose name is most often mentioned when the best sailors in the world are asked to name their heroes. He is a person who is held in the highest regard as a sportsman, a man of integrity and a man of great skill.
It began in 1948 when, aged just 20, Paul Elvstr?m won his first Olympic gold medal. It was the days when the Firefly was the Olympic single-handed class.

When the Finn was introduced, Elvstr?m made the top of the Olympic podium his own winning the Finn gold in 1952, 56 and 60. That record of four Golds has yet to be equalled and Elvstr?m remains one of just three Olympians across all sports to have won four consecutive gold medals in the same Olympic discipline.

And he went on to compete in a further four Olympics, just missing out on a Star medal in Acapulco 1968 and a Tornado medal in Los Angelos 1984 when sailing with his youngest daughter Trine.
He is still the only sailor in the world to win the world championship in five different classes.

But while Elvstr?m was and is still many peoples' pick for the greatest ever sailor, the Dane made an impact off the racecourse too. His series of books on the racing rules - with their wallet of small plastic boats - became the racing sailor's bible for several decades. And he applied his skill and intelligence on the racecourse to the design of components that bear his legend even today - the Elvstr?m self-bailer is still found on Olympic boats, and other grand prix boats at the leading edge of the sport. The Elvstr?m Lifejacket was also the first that was designed and produced for active sailors across the world.

Paul Elvstr?m pioneered techniques for hiking and ideas for training for sailing that paved the way for the modern athletic sport. And Elvstr?m sailmakers - founded in 1954 - are still winning races to this day.

In short Paul Elvstr?m is a not only one of the world's most talented sailors, but also a wholly rounded and intellectual sportsman who has achieved so much - not only in his career but with huge imprint on the sport which continues to exert an influence nearly 60 years after he first won gold.
whiteout
whiteout
QLD
269 posts
QLD, 269 posts
25 Aug 2009 10:18pm
Well you don't know any Australians who are "Good Sailors" you should look around as see and you never know. You would be a good sailor if you tried and practised and went sailing longer than a few hours racing around some inflatable bouys in some protected harbour and then class your self a Good Sailor.
Why dont you try sailing from Sydney to Mackay Single Handed or 2 Hobarts in the worst conditions or a Sydney Mooloobah or 30 years sailing every boat imaginable,
Get Up off your derriair and do something with yourself

Ant
TornadoALIVE
TornadoALIVE
NSW
45 posts
NSW, 45 posts
26 Aug 2009 7:26pm
The guys I mentioned above sail a little more then a few hrs a week around bouys. Apart from long distance and endurance races, inshore and offshore racing, they also sail nearly full time whilst the rest of us mortals work. They also contribute to sailing seminars, coaching, sail and equiptment developments big boat programs such as VX40s and America's Cup.

Some 'bouy' racers have also crossed Bass Straight on small dinghies and a small cat sailor has also sailed Sydeny to Hobart on an 18 foot cat plus many 1000 mile races up the coast of Florida.

Bouy racers do a little more than just that and go a little futher than inshore.
Yachty Boy
Yachty Boy
42 posts
42 posts
26 Aug 2009 10:30pm
I agree with tornado, Ashby and Bundock have to be hands down Australia's most accomplished sailing pair.

Booth's name would have to be thrown in to the ring, very accomplished catamaran sailor as well as several Sydney to Hobart races. Very good all round sailor.
yachtyakka
yachtyakka
6 posts
6 posts
3 Sep 2009 7:59pm
Brad Butterworth
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
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4 Sep 2009 11:57pm
Bjorn Dunkerbeck
TornadoALIVE
TornadoALIVE
NSW
45 posts
NSW, 45 posts
5 Sep 2009 11:32am
Make that 7 Tornado Worlds

Only Gold eluded him.

"It has been a fantastic week of sailing and undoubtedly some of the best in my sailing career. Lake Garda isI truly a special place for sailing with the cliff faces and picturesque scenery. The lake has not lived up to its reputation of strong wind this week but all the sailors have had a great time. It’s still a fantastic feeling to win the Tornado Championships, its number 7 now. I think it may be quite a while till some one beats that. This year was different, no Olympic or funding pressures we just sailed because we love the boat and had a great time. This week has made it clear for me.. I can announce my Olympic retirement, multihulls is my scene and love sailing. The 49er just does not do it for me."

dralyagmas
dralyagmas
SA
380 posts
SA, 380 posts
5 Sep 2009 11:36am
Little Jon said...

Bjorn Dunkerbeck


Good call

Robbie Naish
maxm
maxm
NSW
864 posts
NSW, 864 posts
7 Sep 2009 6:47pm
Would maybe not really be in the "best" category but she would certainly have to be right up there for a "most inspiring" award:

www.smh.com.au/world/hilarys-extraordinary-life-of-pain-and-perserverance-20090907-fdqn.html

Wannabe
Wannabe
NSW
148 posts
NSW, 148 posts
8 Sep 2009 5:41pm
Another vote for Ben Ainslie
Flusha
Flusha
WA
20 posts
WA, 20 posts
9 Sep 2009 8:06pm
Easy it's me, tho never won much and a bit middle aged.... FIGJAM
planesailing
planesailing
WA
380 posts
WA, 380 posts
9 Sep 2009 9:15pm
Jessie Martin....least experienced person to do the most miles.
Wannabe
Wannabe
NSW
148 posts
NSW, 148 posts
10 Sep 2009 9:33pm
planesailing said...

Jessie Martin....least experienced person to do the most miles.


Yeah, either you are Jessie Martin, disappeared into oblivion but still with that same attitude that made you think it was a good idea to go sail around the world. Or you don't really know all that much, because there are younger people who have done 'round the world trips.
And i'm not really sure how cruising counts as making someone the best. Usually someone is called best after they beat everyone else.
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