Bleeding a diesel

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MorningBird
MorningBird
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9 Jul 2011 7:27pm
I want to make changing my diesel filters easier by installing a hand pump upstream of my secondary CAV filter. I find this filter a pain to fill up after changing and a pump up stream will make it easy to fill.
I have a new inline outboard hand pump which I could install. A mechanic mate said it should be fine as outboard fuel is more corrosive and damaging than diesel. Another blog had one person say the hand pump only lasted a year, another person said they had used one for 10 years with no problems.
Anybody had any experience of using these in line hand pumps intended for outboards on diesels?
Cheers
rodward
rodward
WA
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WA, 27 posts
9 Jul 2011 7:35pm
Perkins motors in gen sets use these pumps and seem to be no problem.Maybe contact a perkins agent and see what they say
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2575 posts
NSW, 2575 posts
10 Jul 2011 12:46am
^^^ yep as do volvo (the same really) used it a few times on the penta 50hp on the sailing thingy and never had a problem.
saltiest1
saltiest1
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10 Jul 2011 12:47am
hey rod what are you sailing in that profile pic?
rodward
rodward
WA
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WA, 27 posts
10 Jul 2011 6:10am
saltiest1 said...

hey rod what are you sailing in that profile pic?


Peterson 47 aluminium
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
10 Jul 2011 9:06am
MorningBird said...

I want to make changing my diesel filters easier by installing a hand pump upstream of my secondary CAV filter. I find this filter a pain to fill up after changing and a pump up stream will make it easy to fill.
I have a new inline outboard hand pump which I could install. A mechanic mate said it should be fine as outboard fuel is more corrosive and damaging than diesel. Another blog had one person say the hand pump only lasted a year, another person said they had used one for 10 years with no problems.
Anybody had any experience of using these in line hand pumps intended for outboards on diesels?
Cheers


G'day John,
Cav filter mounts can be purchased with an inbuilt hand pump but are not cheap. Another idea is to instal a 12v inline pump up stream and use that only when bleeding.
You don't mention brand of motor so I'm guessing Kubota. The Kubota auxiliary driving the generator on my fishing vessel was a nightmare to bleed and I had the advantage of the tank being high enough that when the tank was full the level filled the cav filter by gravity, eventually. On a yacht the tanks are nearly always low mounted and I'm guessing your having trouble filling the cav filter. Once the filter is filled the hand lift pump on the motor should be sufficient to clear the air out of the remaining pipe. You may have to rotate the motor by hand slightly to get a better action with the lift pump. At times when desperate I have removed the needle valve stop cock and sucked the diesel through with a clear plastic tube.
Have not changed the filter on my new yacht yet, Volvo with a cav and the fuel tank in the keel. I would consider opening the bleed vent on the cav filter and with the fuel filler cap tight, apply air pressure to the diesel tank vent via a plastic tube and you blowing.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
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10 Jul 2011 10:34am
G'day Graham,
Morning Bird has a Sole, Mitsubishi based, 20 hp 3 cyl donk. It is mounted midships above the keel with the fuel tank under the port pilot berth. I can gravity feed the CAV filter with the tank full. Unfortunately the owner who fitted her out cocked up the tank installation and I can't turn the fuel tap on the tank off so, if it is full, I have diesel going everywhere while I am doing the job. I let the fuel level drop to below the filter when a service is due to avoid this problem.
Once the filter is back together I can add more fuel to the tank to raise the level but as you note it takes forever to syphon through by gravity alone. Getting the fuel to flow through into the filter by blowing into the small hole in the tank used to dip the fuel level is the pain.
You are right that once the CAV filter is full the main filter on the engine is easy, use the lift pump, or quicker, open the bleed valve and have someone crank the engine for 20 seconds until it stops blowing air. The engine normally starts at the same time.
I want the easiest solution which appears to be the hand pump inserted in the hose just up stream of the CAV filter. I can change the filter without having fuel go everywhere and then just pump it through.
My concern is that the hand pumps intended for use with outboard fuel may cause problems if used with diesel over a long time.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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10 Jul 2011 5:54pm
Filters for outboards are a bit coarser than for diesel so the oil can pass. Whitworths catalog gives the actual sizes.

Sucking diesel is a bit of a pain. When I siphon diesel I use a plastic hose placed into the drum then a second hose about a foot long into the top above the diesel. Then with a rag sealing off the top as best as possible I blow into the short hose. Just keep the short bit of hose reserved for your mouth.
dkturnbull
dkturnbull
40 posts
40 posts
10 Jul 2011 4:49pm
On the mercedes busses some had a remote diesel hand pump for if you ran out of fuel to bleed them alloy housing with plastic pump. Any truck parts place will get one for you. If you are in Sydney pioneer parts or whites diesel will definatly be able to help you.
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
11 Jul 2011 8:16am
I have an electric inline pump directly after the tank on my boat I use it when changing filters run it for a while and the filters bleed themselves back to the tank
Doubles as a backup for the mechanical pump should it give trouble
Works well for me and has done for years
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
11 Jul 2011 9:32pm
Hiko,
What brand/type of pump are you using? There are heaps on eBay, I was wondering if there is anything special to look for.
Cheers
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