Boom Preventors

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Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
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6 Sep 2018 4:04pm
Having read some articles on the number of deaths sailing out at sea , and the findings of the number one cause in an investigation being held was boom preventors exploding and the boom smashing into someone's head , dead before they went overboard .
Would be interesting to see some ideas on safer boom preventors I like the friction idea such as the Fleming one or the cheaper mountain climbers one


Here is an example of how much pressure can be on a preventor this is a photo from Lisa Blair's yacht
Trek
Trek
NSW
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NSW, 1213 posts
8 Sep 2018 5:33pm
We've got bungee cord on board for this. It holds the boom in place but has a certain amount of "give" when needed. Tricky though, needs watching all the time if heading dead down wind. I prefer to to do a broad reach, the extra boat speed seems to make up for the longer distance traveled.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2710 posts
NSW, 2710 posts
9 Sep 2018 12:27am
Trek said..
We've got bungee cord on board for this. It holds the boom in place but has a certain amount of "give" when needed. Tricky though, needs watching all the time if heading dead down wind. I prefer to to do a broad reach, the extra boat speed seems to make up for the longer distance traveled.


I do the same as Trek, I don't try to head dead downwind.
I have experienced an unintentional gybe in a stiff breeze on a Swarbrick S111 with a preventor on. One of the most dangerous out of control situations I have been in.
Unless you are racing with a crew I believe they are more trouble than they are worth. I acknowledge a lot of other opinions are out there, although some of them may not have experienced an uncontrolled gybe in a stiff breeze.
Crusoe
Crusoe
QLD
1197 posts
QLD, 1197 posts
9 Sep 2018 7:47am
I'd never use one of these. Any time the wind was aft of the beam I had lines permanently set up that ran from the end of the boom to the side of the boat a bit forward of the mast and then back to some big mother jam creates. Called them preventers and they did.

When I brought my last boat it had one of these fang dangle devices on it and the rigger who inspected my boat said throw it in the bin, so I did.

As usual, it's your boat and you should do what you believe is best for you.
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
NSW, 1458 posts
9 Sep 2018 10:50am
We have discussed this in the past, do a search for Boom brakes topic over last 5 years.
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
9 Sep 2018 9:07am
MorningBird said..

Trek said..
We've got bungee cord on board for this. It holds the boom in place but has a certain amount of "give" when needed. Tricky though, needs watching all the time if heading dead down wind. I prefer to to do a broad reach, the extra boat speed seems to make up for the longer distance traveled.



I do the same as Trek, I don't try to head dead downwind.
I have experienced an unintentional gybe in a stiff breeze on a Swarbrick S111 with a preventor on. One of the most dangerous out of control situations I have been in.
Unless you are racing with a crew I believe they are more trouble than they are worth. I acknowledge a lot of other opinions are out there, although some of them may not have experienced an uncontrolled gybe in a stiff breeze.



I run preventor as soon as the wind gets to about 115-120. It runs to the anchor/mooring cleat then back to the cockpit.
It wont stop the boat from gybing but it will stop the boom crashing across if you do gybe.
i fail to see what could be so dangerous and out of control by doing this.
Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
513 posts
513 posts
9 Sep 2018 10:53am
Jolene said..

MorningBird said..


Trek said..
We've got bungee cord on board for this. It holds the boom in place but has a certain amount of "give" when needed. Tricky though, needs watching all the time if heading dead down wind. I prefer to to do a broad reach, the extra boat speed seems to make up for the longer distance traveled.




I do the same as Trek, I don't try to head dead downwind.
I have experienced an unintentional gybe in a stiff breeze on a Swarbrick S111 with a preventor on. One of the most dangerous out of control situations I have been in.
Unless you are racing with a crew I believe they are more trouble than they are worth. I acknowledge a lot of other opinions are out there, although some of them may not have experienced an uncontrolled gybe in a stiff breeze.




I run preventor as soon as the wind gets to about 115-120. It runs to the anchor/mooring cleat then back to the cockpit.
It wont stop the boat from gybing but it will stop the boom crashing across if you do gybe.
i fail to see what could be so dangerous and out of control by doing this.


When the preventors snaps the boom fires across and has killed quite a few racing guys and flung people overboard
UncleBob
UncleBob
NSW
1311 posts
NSW, 1311 posts
9 Sep 2018 2:21pm
BROWNSMTRACE said..

Jolene said..


MorningBird said..



Trek said..
We've got bungee cord on board for this. It holds the boom in place but has a certain amount of "give" when needed. Tricky though, needs watching all the time if heading dead down wind. I prefer to to do a broad reach, the extra boat speed seems to make up for the longer distance traveled.





I do the same as Trek, I don't try to head dead downwind.
I have experienced an unintentional gybe in a stiff breeze on a Swarbrick S111 with a preventor on. One of the most dangerous out of control situations I have been in.
Unless you are racing with a crew I believe they are more trouble than they are worth. I acknowledge a lot of other opinions are out there, although some of them may not have experienced an uncontrolled gybe in a stiff breeze.





I run preventor as soon as the wind gets to about 115-120. It runs to the anchor/mooring cleat then back to the cockpit.
It wont stop the boat from gybing but it will stop the boom crashing across if you do gybe.
i fail to see what could be so dangerous and out of control by doing this.



When the preventors snaps the boom fires across and has killed quite a few racing guys and flung people overboard


Has this been your experience ? how many do you actually know that have had this problem?
Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
513 posts
513 posts
9 Sep 2018 1:34pm
UncleBob said..

BROWNSMTRACE said..


Jolene said..



MorningBird said..




Trek said..
We've got bungee cord on board for this. It holds the boom in place but has a certain amount of "give" when needed. Tricky though, needs watching all the time if heading dead down wind. I prefer to to do a broad reach, the extra boat speed seems to make up for the longer distance traveled.






I do the same as Trek, I don't try to head dead downwind.
I have experienced an unintentional gybe in a stiff breeze on a Swarbrick S111 with a preventor on. One of the most dangerous out of control situations I have been in.
Unless you are racing with a crew I believe they are more trouble than they are worth. I acknowledge a lot of other opinions are out there, although some of them may not have experienced an uncontrolled gybe in a stiff breeze.






I run preventor as soon as the wind gets to about 115-120. It runs to the anchor/mooring cleat then back to the cockpit.
It wont stop the boat from gybing but it will stop the boom crashing across if you do gybe.
i fail to see what could be so dangerous and out of control by doing this.




When the preventors snaps the boom fires across and has killed quite a few racing guys and flung people overboard



Has this been your experience ? how many do you actually know that have had this problem?


This was the article I read about it
https://www.sail-world.com/news/208089/NZ-report-has-common-factors-with-other-incidents
Toph
Toph
WA
1886 posts
WA, 1886 posts
9 Sep 2018 3:07pm


BROWNSMTRACE said..
This was the article I read about it
https://www.sail-world.com/news/208089/NZ-report-has-common-factors-with-other-incidents


Only two of those instances concerned a preventer breaking. Both whilst being pushed hard during gale conditions and the gybe was going to happen anyway. All the deaths in the article where the result of multiple system (equipment) and human errors.

It is your classic Swiss Cheese model.

I think it is a long bow to draw saying preventers a dangerous and people get killed by them based on this article alone.

For my opinion as a cruising boat and not a racer, I can't be bothered wiht a preventer. Like a few above I just bear off little. I might be more inclined to use a brake, but I've never tried one as yet.
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
NSW, 1458 posts
9 Sep 2018 5:09pm
BROWNSMTRACE said..

UncleBob said..


BROWNSMTRACE said..



Jolene said..




MorningBird said..





Trek said..
We've got bungee cord on board for this. It holds the boom in place but has a certain amount of "give" when needed. Tricky though, needs watching all the time if heading dead down wind. I prefer to to do a broad reach, the extra boat speed seems to make up for the longer distance traveled.







I do the same as Trek, I don't try to head dead downwind.
I have experienced an unintentional gybe in a stiff breeze on a Swarbrick S111 with a preventor on. One of the most dangerous out of control situations I have been in.
Unless you are racing with a crew I believe they are more trouble than they are worth. I acknowledge a lot of other opinions are out there, although some of them may not have experienced an uncontrolled gybe in a stiff breeze.







I run preventor as soon as the wind gets to about 115-120. It runs to the anchor/mooring cleat then back to the cockpit.
It wont stop the boat from gybing but it will stop the boom crashing across if you do gybe.
i fail to see what could be so dangerous and out of control by doing this.





When the preventors snaps the boom fires across and has killed quite a few racing guys and flung people overboard




Has this been your experience ? how many do you actually know that have had this problem?



This was the article I read about it
https://www.sail-world.com/news/208089/NZ-report-has-common-factors-with-other-incidents


No mention of a boom in there apart from the main sheet traveller and not been attached by a safety harness

[oh, of course they were racing!]
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7756 posts
NSW, 7756 posts
9 Sep 2018 5:37pm
nswsailor said..
We have discussed this in the past, do a search for Boom brakes topic over last 5 years.


Boom brakes are different to preventers. I use a boom brake but would never consider a preventer.
Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
513 posts
513 posts
9 Sep 2018 4:11pm
nswsailor said..

BROWNSMTRACE said..


UncleBob said..



BROWNSMTRACE said..




Jolene said..





MorningBird said..






Trek said..
We've got bungee cord on board for this. It holds the boom in place but has a certain amount of "give" when needed. Tricky though, needs watching all the time if heading dead down wind. I prefer to to do a broad reach, the extra boat speed seems to make up for the longer distance traveled.








I do the same as Trek, I don't try to head dead downwind.
I have experienced an unintentional gybe in a stiff breeze on a Swarbrick S111 with a preventor on. One of the most dangerous out of control situations I have been in.
Unless you are racing with a crew I believe they are more trouble than they are worth. I acknowledge a lot of other opinions are out there, although some of them may not have experienced an uncontrolled gybe in a stiff breeze.








I run preventor as soon as the wind gets to about 115-120. It runs to the anchor/mooring cleat then back to the cockpit.
It wont stop the boat from gybing but it will stop the boom crashing across if you do gybe.
i fail to see what could be so dangerous and out of control by doing this.






When the preventors snaps the boom fires across and has killed quite a few racing guys and flung people overboard





Has this been your experience ? how many do you actually know that have had this problem?




This was the article I read about it
https://www.sail-world.com/news/208089/NZ-report-has-common-factors-with-other-incidents



No mention of a boom in there apart from the main sheet traveller and not been attached by a safety harness

[oh, of course they were racing!]


Reread it again it does say boom preventor
Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
513 posts
513 posts
9 Sep 2018 4:13pm
Ramona said..

nswsailor said..
We have discussed this in the past, do a search for Boom brakes topic over last 5 years.



Boom brakes are different to preventers. I use a boom brake but would never consider a preventer.


Ramona I have never used a boom brake but it sure makes more sense to me , What type do you use mate ?
Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
513 posts
513 posts
9 Sep 2018 4:13pm
Ramona said..

nswsailor said..
We have discussed this in the past, do a search for Boom brakes topic over last 5 years.



Boom brakes are different to preventers. I use a boom brake but would never consider a preventer.


Ramona I have never used a boom brake but it sure makes more sense to me , What type do you use mate ?
FreeRadical
FreeRadical
WA
855 posts
WA, 855 posts
9 Sep 2018 4:18pm
I use a climbing Figure of 8 as a brake. A bit fidly to get just right in tension, but it does slow the boom quite a bit through gybes, accidental or planned. I run it down to the deck cleats midship. Also good for stopping the boom slapping in rolly seas downwind.
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
9 Sep 2018 4:22pm
The preventor also stops the boom slapping back and forth wreaking and wearing out gear in sloppy seas,,, more so in the light air.
I can't bare to watch that happening so I put a stop to it immediately
Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
513 posts
513 posts
9 Sep 2018 5:08pm
I like the idea of a bit of give specially after having a boom break in half from a preventor.
The old green young tree able to bend instead of the old strong tree not giving until to late.
Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
513 posts
513 posts
9 Sep 2018 5:09pm
Jolene said..
The preventor also stops the boom slapping back and forth wreaking and wearing out gear in sloppy seas,,, more so in the light air.
I can't bare to watch that happening so I put a stop to it immediately


Thats a great idea Jolene what are they worth to buy ?
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
9 Sep 2018 6:37pm
BROWNSMTRACE said..
Jolene said..
The preventor also stops the boom slapping back and forth wreaking and wearing out gear in sloppy seas,,, more so in the light air.
I can't bare to watch that happening so I put a stop to it immediately


Thats a great idea Jolene what are they worth to buy ?


Its not an idea in terms of an "Idea" ,,, Its just a bit of sail boat kit that many sailors have used for many years.
A length of rope tied to the end of the boom with a big loop bowline (so it can be undone safely from the deck when the boom is on the shrouds) and a turning block to bring the rope back to the cockpit from the bow. You just pull the preventer rope tight in the cockpit to oppose tension from the mainsheet to lock the boom from moving.


Jode5
Jode5
QLD
853 posts
QLD, 853 posts
9 Sep 2018 9:00pm
Jolene said..
The preventor also stops the boom slapping back and forth wreaking and wearing out gear in sloppy seas,,, more so in the light air.
I can't bare to watch that happening so I put a stop to it immediately


Jolene, i'm with you. My boom is 27' long and weighing in at 250kg. You don't need that flopping round in sloppy seas. I use a sheet from the boom to a turning block and then back to a winch. To take the shock out of the sheet I have fitted one of those big rubber mooring snubber blocks to the sheet. With It being on a winch it also allows me to do a controlled gybe
Concepcion
Concepcion
SA
93 posts
SA, 93 posts
9 Sep 2018 10:03pm
I use a Walder boom brake - fixed to a 4 to 1 Purchase with cleat within arms length of the helm. I find it an essential bit of safety kit to control / prevent jibes & fix boom while sailing as described above. Having seen my wife break her wrist on the traveller As sheets flew across while jibing unexpectedly, I can now confidently say this won't happen again!
Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
513 posts
513 posts
10 Sep 2018 4:45am
Concepcion said..
I use a Walder boom brake - fixed to a 4 to 1 Purchase with cleat within arms length of the helm. I find it an essential bit of safety kit to control / prevent jibes & fix boom while sailing as described above. Having seen my wife break her wrist on the traveller As sheets flew across while jibing unexpectedly, I can now confidently say this won't happen again!


Thanks for this I will look the Walder boom brake up and find some information on them .
All@Sea
All@Sea
TAS
233 posts
TAS, 233 posts
10 Sep 2018 12:49pm
Boom preventor


Zzzzzz
Zzzzzz
513 posts
513 posts
10 Sep 2018 3:49pm
All@Sea said..
Boom preventor



That cracked me up.
Hate to see you beat off a Lee shore in a storm though .
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