Celestial Calculations

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Crusoe
Crusoe
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31 Oct 2009 6:50pm
Hello Maxm
No worries about the thread jack. I’ve made another thread to answer you. I learnt the use of a sextant In Cairns back in 1985 from a guy off a French boat (Francis & Christine (sounds difference in French)) when the calculators were quite expensive. I managed to get a genuine set of book HO229 (I think the name was) from an American lady (whose husband had passed away) who was selling all the gear form her Junk (sailing boat) which her husband and she had been sailing around the world. The books allow you to find the results of the spherical triangle without any calculations. Unfortunately for me I lent the books to some friends who were sailing up around PNG and I never got them back. The books are virtually impossible to get now as the calculators have made them redundant. I am planning another trip a long way from the coast and will be getting back up to speed on the celestial navigation. So to answer your question I have used a calculator do the practice with, but not used a calculator to find my location on the face of the earth without the back up of the GPS. (chicken hey). I have never used a specialised Navigation Calculator.

Besides calculators there are web sites you can use to enter your sextant sights into and hey presto you have a position line. Personally I would like my tables back.

Now here is the question I would like answered by someone. The HO229 tables came out for different sections of latitude which I always though (beside making the books smaller) was to allow for the fact that the earth is no a perfect sphere.

Vol. 1 Latitudes 0-15 T17305
Vol. 2 Latitude 15-30 T17306
Vol. 3 Latitude 30-45 T17307
Vol. 4 Latitude 45-60 T17308
Vol. 5 Latitudes 60-75 T6307
Vol. 6 Latitudes 75-90 T6308

Do calculators allow for this or are they just working out spherical triangles for a perfect sphere. I would hope that a calculator that is sold as a Celestial navigation calculator does this.

Have your say and feel free to put me straight on this because I would rather find out before it was too late to ask someone. Should I buy a flash navigation calculator or is my old faithful adequate?

PS. A bit of trivia for you. The brain just remembered that the French couple got a hard time from the NZ and Aussie customs because the Rainbow Warrior had just been sunk. They assured me it wasn't them.
Crusoe
Crusoe
QLD
1197 posts
QLD, 1197 posts
31 Oct 2009 7:54pm
Hello maxm
Thanks for the web site. I'll check them out.
Charriot
Charriot
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880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
2 Nov 2009 12:16pm
Pub No 229 are for marine navigation but you have to carry 6 books.
What about use Pub. No 249 for navigation.
Volume 1 selected Stars and Volume 2 and 3 data for navigation.
Have fun.
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
NSW, 1458 posts
15 Nov 2009 12:21pm
Morning All,

You do not need all those books!

Try this publication

Here is a beaut little book for those who wish to use a sextant.

Easy Nav.
Instructions to a Position Line
Lifetime Almanac Tables.

By Frank Dinkelaar
PO Box 2019
Chrischurch
New Zealand 8005

Printed by Macprint
PO Box 287
Christchurch
New Zealand 8005

ISBN 0 9598046 0 9

Phillip
SEAKA
maxm
maxm
NSW
864 posts
NSW, 864 posts
15 Nov 2009 10:15pm
Hi Philip,

Yep, there are a few small books like that around. I have a copy of Mary Blewitt's little book "Celestial Navigation for Yachtsmen" which also has a perpetual almanac in it. I gather though that the problem with those forms of almanac is that you lose accuracy... and CN is already lacking accuracy. Still, they're certainly worth having on board.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
16 Nov 2009 2:47am
Good old Mary Blewitt!!

For many years I have had her little hard cover Blue Book, Fifth Edition, 1971, Celestial Navigation for Yachtsmen (P.C. persons) and her little hard cover Orange Book, Third Edition, 1973, with a Foreward to the First Edition by Captain John Illingworth R.N. (Ret.), Navigation for Yachtsmen (P.C. persons).

I must confess to not having read either book fully due to losing patience with her writing style and having learnt the same things by a different method.

Be that as it may I have recently discovered I own a copy of her tenth edition of her blue book, Celestial Navigation for Yachtsmen (P.C. persons), plus some other very interesting gear (see photos) that may be of interest to one or two of the contributors to this thread.

How I came into ownership and possession of these items was by my purchase of the fair yacht and Australian Registered Ship "Cisco" in mid January 2006, and in one of the drawers of the nav station of the aforesaid yacht, I found the aforementioned items.

At the time of purchase she was called "Onsala" which is the name of the place up a Norwegian Fjiord where the previous owner grew up. I couldn't do anything with THAT name and as I had previously owned a yacht called "Pancho" and there was no "Cisco" on the register, I changed her name during the transfer of ownership.

The thrust of my post is to inform those who may be interested that the items photoghaphed are for sale.

Since the purchase of the yacht in 2006 she has been sitting in the hard stand cradle waiting for me to do something. I am now doing something which is getting the yacht ready for relaunching. As my intended use of the fair "Cisco", being a Van De Stadt 34, is fast and very comfortable coastal cruising in east Australian waters, I have no real use for celestial nav capabilities.

A couple of you might say, "Hang on. I thought this bloke said he had an S&S34!!" You are right. I do. Admirals are at least twice as insane as Captains!!

So the Casio calculator fires up as it has power supply. Google the model number to see what it will do. It is a Casio fx-82LB scientific calculator with manual.

The Sharp is a PC 1248, with manual plus two copies of the Petrel Marine Navigation Manual (software by Roy Rado). Also included is the Sharp CE-124 Cassette Interface. The Sharp has had no batteries in it for at least the last 4 years if ever. It may very well be a VIRGIN. The cassette interface unit certainly is. Apparently the software is loaded into the pocket computer via the interface.

I do not have the software but I am sure a good Googler could find it.

None of the gear has the least sign of salt exposure and there are all the tables on the laminated sheets as well as examples of calculations. Then of course there is Mary's little Blue Book, 10th edition, 1990.

I figure the complete package is worth at least $200. Any advancements on that??

Cheers Cisco.

P.S. The money will go to a good cause. The refirb and relaunch of the fair yacht "Cisco".

Here are the pics:-



cisco
cisco
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QLD, 12365 posts
18 Nov 2009 1:38am
I put a couple of CR 2032 batteries into the Sharp today and did the first few excercises on it as per the manual i.e. use as a calculator.

So I guess if it was progmmed by using the cassette interface it will be a useful Celestial Navigation Computer.

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