Chain plates (sigh) again

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oldboyracer
oldboyracer
NSW
292 posts
NSW, 292 posts
24 Jul 2016 3:17pm
Now I know this subject has been flogged to death but I'm in a bit of a bind . I'm planing on heading off next year for a nice 3 month cruise up the coast . Most of the rigging has been replaced over the last 2 years but will drop the mast just to check it and do some rewiring before I go , which leads me to the weak spot of chain plates . Mine are glassed in and are original in a 40 year old boat . I have 3 choices , strip pretty much the inside to grind them out and put new ones in , drill thru the hull and old chain plates to instal new ones on the outside of the hull ( earlier models of my boat had this ) or maybe inside .Grind out the deck around existing chain plates to try and get a look At them . Has any one here had to do any of this or did you take option 4 , reseal and pretend it will go away . Or is there another way of checking them that I don't know about . Thanks
ChopesBro
ChopesBro
351 posts
351 posts
24 Jul 2016 6:00pm
I never drill holes in a sound boat

Another option is to cut wire each side and re wire around
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
24 Jul 2016 9:35pm

Your chain plates are the foundation of your rig. You have done all the rest of the rig and the chain plates are 40 year old originals, glassed in and therefore sealed from oxygen. What keeps stainless, stainless, is exposure to oxygen.

It is a bit like reefing, if you are thinking about doing it, you probably should have done it a while ago.

Rather than just checking them I think it is worth your while doing whatever you have to and replace them. Your boat, your choice.
southace
southace
SA
4803 posts
SA, 4803 posts
24 Jul 2016 10:58pm
Gee mate replacing chain plates is a big job. Yes if you can inspect them that might give you peace of mind but as they are glassed in this could be a mission. My last rebuild the chain plates leaked in heavy rain due to not having a capping plate on the deck, it was a yearly job of re-sealing with as much Fix tech polyurathane sealent as possible primarily just to fix the leak.

To my 40 years of boating I have never come across a yacht that has ripped her chain plates out of the glass. The weakest point is genaraly the rigging that fails first. If I was you just heading up the coast for a few months, just seal them up and enjoy your cruising without stress.

Yara
Yara
NSW
1322 posts
NSW, 1322 posts
25 Jul 2016 8:57am
Look for rust stains. To corrode you need the lack of oxygen, but you also need moisture. If there are rust stains, there is a good chance moisture got in. The worst spot on most boats is where the chainplate passes through the deck. Photos?
Yara
Yara
NSW
1322 posts
NSW, 1322 posts
25 Jul 2016 9:03am
southace said..
To my 40 years of boating I have never come across a yacht that has ripped her chain plates out of the glass. The weakest point is genaraly the rigging that fails first. If I was you just heading up the coast for a few months, just seal them up and enjoy your cruising without stress.



There are many examples of U bolt chain plates with severe crevice corrosion failure where they pass through the deck. With a U bolt you can be lucky, and only one leg breaks and you dont loose the mast.

Inspected a 27 ft boat recently, and almost certainly the lower shroud had a broken U bolt, and the owner was blissfully unaware, (but was selling the boat).
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
25 Jul 2016 11:00am
An S&S34 (not a Swarbrick one but one built in Gosford) lost its rig off Norah Head when a chain plate gave way.Apparently it was welded together just below deck level and gave up on the weld.
MB is being rerigged next month and new chain plates are going in.
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
25 Jul 2016 2:08pm
I have recently removed and replaced the chainplates from a 36 year old boat. Apart from a little corrosion etching where the plates passed through the deck and a little pitting on the side of the plate that lays along the bulkhead, there was nothing that looked like imminent failure with regard to the plates. There was significant corrosion on the shanks of the 6 3/8 bolts that secure each chainplate to the bulkhead. Some of the corrosion was quite bad and had occurred on the part of the bolt in the wooden bulkhead. There was some evidence of this in the form of rusty gunk around the heads of the bolts. Again, I doubt that this corrosion was going to cause a failure any time soon.
However more alarming was the fact the chainplates where not lying flat on on the bulkhead due to the glassing in of the bulkhead . The bolts had been tightened up to try to pull the 1/4"x1 1/2" chain plates flat against the wood but due to the fact there where inadequate washers behind the 3/8" nuts, the nuts and washers had just sunk and crushed into the plywood bulkhead, damaging it and hindering the chance of any reasonable secure clamping force to the chainplate, The bulkhead had to be repaired and the problems of misalignment rectified before the new plates where fitted.




scaramouche
scaramouche
VIC
190 posts
VIC, 190 posts
25 Jul 2016 4:35pm
nice bit of ss
Being a touch paranoid at the time i replaced my rigging,I repalced the bolts ,which were mostly fine,and added ss backing plates for the chainplates
Probably overkill as the glassed in bulhead on the Cav 32 was pretty solid
Failure wont be at this level

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