Dimple under keelbolt

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Numbers
Numbers
QLD
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QLD, 5 posts
17 Nov 2018 5:49pm
Hi seabreezers I need some advice please.

I have seen a boat I like but one thing is worrying me (well one thing more than most).
There is a cup like impression under the second forward most keelbolt, not huge but still noticeable.
All the keelbolts are in pairs both the fore aft ones and the transverse ones and they have a stainless backing plate on each pair.
So number one and number two fore-aft bolt go through a stainless backing plate.
All bolts look to be in good condition to my amateur eye, at least on the surface.
What would cause this compression under bolt number two but not bolt number one when they are tied together with the one fore-aft backing plate?
Water damage/rot in the core under the fibreglass in the bilge?
Has the keel hit something? Could a grounding exert downward force on bolt number 2 but not bolt number one?

The seller actually pointed this out to me so is not trying to hide anything and said it was there when he bought the boat a couple of years ago but he didn't notice it at the time.
He gave me a copy of his survey report when he bought the boat and there is no mention of this issue.
The seller has said he has had a shipwright look at it who said not to worry about it.
Really?
Boat is a 1981 Cavalier 32 which I believe were built with a cored hull.
The bilges were not dry but then I guess that's not unusual.

As a 58 year old who is a relative newbie to sailing (SAGS crew for the last few years so not a complete beginner) looking for my first boat am I worrying too much?
I would get the boat surveyed prior to purchase but if you guys think there's obviously a problem then why bother.
Your advice would be much appreciated.
Jode5
Jode5
QLD
853 posts
QLD, 853 posts
17 Nov 2018 6:50pm
If it is a cored hull I seriously doubt the hull would be cored round the keel area. I would think it would be solid glass with hard timber incased. Being the second bolt, I would doubt that a grounding would have caused it. Sometimes it can be uneven along the keel where the bolts are. You would need to dry the area and have a good look at the area and see if there is any stress cracking in the gelcoat in that area in case the substructure has gone soft. CAV 32's are a good solid boat but I would also get a boat builder to have a look at it. If you are in Brisbane, I would contact Peter Kerr at Dragon Slipways ("Boty" on this forum) he's one of the best.
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
18 Nov 2018 8:11am
Numbers said..
Hi seabreezers I need some advice please.

I have seen a boat I like but one thing is worrying me (well one thing more than most).
There is a cup like impression under the second forward most keelbolt, not huge but still noticeable.
All the keelbolts are in pairs both the fore aft ones and the transverse ones and they have a stainless backing plate on each pair.
So number one and number two fore-aft bolt go through a stainless backing plate.
All bolts look to be in good condition to my amateur eye, at least on the surface.
What would cause this compression under bolt number two but not bolt number one when they are tied together with the one fore-aft backing plate?
Water damage/rot in the core under the fibreglass in the bilge?
Has the keel hit something? Could a grounding exert downward force on bolt number 2 but not bolt number one?

The seller actually pointed this out to me so is not trying to hide anything and said it was there when he bought the boat a couple of years ago but he didn't notice it at the time.
He gave me a copy of his survey report when he bought the boat and there is no mention of this issue.
The seller has said he has had a shipwright look at it who said not to worry about it.
Really?
Boat is a 1981 Cavalier 32 which I believe were built with a cored hull.
The bilges were not dry but then I guess that's not unusual.

As a 58 year old who is a relative newbie to sailing (SAGS crew for the last few years so not a complete beginner) looking for my first boat am I worrying too much?
I would get the boat surveyed prior to purchase but if you guys think there's obviously a problem then why bother.
Your advice would be much appreciated.



That's the sort of thing that happens when too smaller washer is used under the nuts. The nuts or bolts are torqued up but before the correct tension is reached, one of the bolts starts to crush. It is then decided that bigger backing plates are required.
Numbers
Numbers
QLD
5 posts
QLD, 5 posts
18 Nov 2018 10:59am
Thanks for the responses guys, at least you're not saying run for the hills, which is sort of encouraging.
Jolene that makes sense because the dimple from memory looked quite even and circular as though squashed by a washer so it seems the backing plate may have been added after. If that is the case is this cause for concern and should be repaired, or just something that can be lived with?
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
18 Nov 2018 9:25am
You could remove the plate, fill the depression and refit plate, it would be bonus to stop water welling around the bolt under the plate

I don't think you have any thing to worry about other than a little corrosion under the plate.

I put thickened epoxy around all my keel studs before fitting the washer plates especially to fill compression depressions to stop water sitting there
Numbers
Numbers
QLD
5 posts
QLD, 5 posts
18 Nov 2018 3:57pm
Thanks once again.
I've been an avid reader of this forum for the last few years and your advice is much appreciated.
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
19 Nov 2018 5:51am
^^^
Thanks for the comment,,, Cheers
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