Electric vs Petrol

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RiffRaff
RiffRaff
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
10 Sep 2016 7:36am
I am considering an electric outboard for my 2.6 m Inflatable tender. Tender weighs around 55 KG with solid fiberglass hull.
I currently use a 3 HP mariner which is getting a bit tired. The 3 HP was a little undersized I think so a 4 would be better. Does anyone have any experience with electric outboards and what size would I need to give the same thrust as a 4 HP 2 stroke. Also what battery size would I need to run the outboard for an average day when moored. In and out to the beach 5 or 6 times.
S018
S018
SA
338 posts
SA, 338 posts
10 Sep 2016 7:15pm
I was using Electric 55 Lb thrust on my 18 foot wooden sail boat (trailer sailor)
It was all i needed, very convenient.
upgraded to a 20 footer and thought I'd go Petrol.....
not sure that was the way to go but too late now.

Petrol is not as convenient but has more grunt 4hp
I think I would have been happier with a 86Lb thrust electric motor.
Set up with the Electric is more depending on how far away you want the battery, I wanted it in the middle of the boat, this required extra cable which was not cheap ! I used Marine battery (looks like a car battery), also cost a bit extra.

When I need to change motors next, I will go back to Electric, All I need..
Trek
Trek
NSW
1215 posts
NSW, 1215 posts
14 Sep 2016 4:07am


According to the theory 4HP is equal to 2983W. At 12V you would need 746 amps to get 2983W of power from an electric motor. Because of the difficult technical issues making a small DC motor that runs on 746 amps and heavy cable size the 4HP motors that I have seen run on 48V.

If you did have a 48V motor you could put 4 lead acid batteries in series to get 48V. If they were 150AH batteries you would have a fully charged power capacity of 48V x 150AH which is 7200W (for one hour). With that set up, in theory, you could run the 4HP motor for over 2 hours flat out. (7200 divided by 2983 = 2.41).

If the trip from shore out to boat was say 5 minutes you could do around 12 return trips.

The problem like in electric cars is the mass of batteries to provide the amps. As SO18 mentioned petrol motors have much more grunt (power to weight ratio).

Rant: The manufacturers I just looked at (like Tesla cars) love to say their electric outboards are "emission free" because they conveniently forget about the tons of coal burnt at the power station up the road to generate the 240VAC power to charge the batteries. Like solar panels they aren't emission free the place where the emissions occur is just moved somewhere else. Solar panels transfer emissions from Australia to mostly China. Its silly to see greenies (and I am one) lauding solar panels and complaining about pollution from China when heaps of that pollution came from smelting the materials to make their wonderful solar panels in the first place!
Wander66
Wander66
QLD
294 posts
QLD, 294 posts
14 Sep 2016 7:30am
The Torqeedo motors look pretty good but because they use an inbuilt or modular Lithium battery are fairly expensive, plenty of people using them now, Webb Chiles uses one to push his Moore 24 around as he circumnavigates again and there are quite a few reviews on YouTube. Ecoboats are their Australian agent thetorqeedoshop.com.au/
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
14 Sep 2016 6:33pm
I doubt whether you can compare electric to petrol by Hp ratings. A 4 hp electric motor is a fair size and weight. It's more about torque. Check out the electric motors in the Le mans race cars, they are smaller than the petrol engine in output but have the same performance.

http://www.draysonracingtechnologies.com/projects/B12/project_article_B12.html

As a side note I was reading an article today from the Edinburgh uni where they carried out a study and found 85-90% of the airborne pollution from vehicles was from tyres and brake wear. Electric cars because they are much heavier have just as much tyre and brake wear before you even think about burning coal etc.
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
14 Sep 2016 7:59pm
Ramona said..
I doubt whether you can compare electric to petrol by Hp ratings. A 4 hp electric motor is a fair size and weight. It's more about torque. Check out the electric motors in the Le mans race cars, they are smaller than the petrol engine in output but have the same performance.

http://www.draysonracingtechnologies.com/projects/B12/project_article_B12.html

As a side note I was reading an article today from the Edinburgh uni where they carried out a study and found 85-90% of the airborne pollution from vehicles was from tyres and brake wear. Electric cars because they are much heavier have just as much tyre and brake wear before you even think about burning coal etc.


I have always thought that concerning city peak hour traffic years back .
Image how many traffic stop lights and braking and accelerating in a city.
Before fuel injection just about every car would loose raw fuel out the exhaust under braking . The hill side of Punt road near the Yarra is a good example in the rain its very very slipper going down the hill . form car and truck pollution even today.
Never had a blocked nose till I lived here . Cant wait till I leave
RiffRaff
RiffRaff
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
14 Sep 2016 6:07pm
Well that is a lot more complicated than i thought.
I think i will stick to a 4 HP four stroke.
I thought one of the electric outboards used for trolling in a tinnie might of done the job, but the hassle of carrying and keeping a battery charged is probably more trouble than it is worth.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
15 Sep 2016 8:28am
RiffRaff said..
Well that is a lot more complicated than i thought.
I think i will stick to a 4 HP four stroke.
I thought one of the electric outboards used for trolling in a tinnie might of done the job, but the hassle of carrying and keeping a battery charged is probably more trouble than it is worth.


www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f47/electric-motor-on-dinghy-172657.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cruisersforumnews+%28Cruisers+Forum+-+Emails%29

I would suggest keeping an eye on the lithium battery technology advances. I have one in my race car and I'm pretty impressed with it's performance and it recharges very quickly. The electric motors are no problem, there are choices everywhere but the weight of lead batteries in a dinghy is going to be a problem. Have a look at the electric outboards the Chinese have now with the lithium battery in the head and see how they compare weight wise to a conventional 2 stroke 4 hp outboard.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
15 Sep 2016 6:12pm
I was in BCF today. The electric outboards are far more expensive than 4 hp two strokes, before you even think about a battery.
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