Fire on board, lessons learnt.

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pumpnjump
pumpnjump
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19 Oct 2014 8:58pm
Following a fire on my yacht, I thought I would pass on a couple of things I have learnt from the incident.
I had been asleep on the boat and had just put the kettle on, as is my practice I started the engine so it could have a good run, I also put on the fridge as I was going to stock that up for the season so was getting it cold ready for food and drinks later in the day. I had been on night shift so went and lay down again, waiting for the kettle to boil, slow metho stove, I was on my V berth and the door had swung shut, a few minutes later, bearing in mind the kettle takes about 10 minutes or so to boil and hadn’t yet boiled, I was somehow alerted, sat up and took an earplug out as I had still got these in for sleep, then pushed the cabin door open with my foot. What confronted me was a large portion of the main cabin was ablaze, around the cabin entry flames were floor to ceiling and no way through in only a pair of shorts. I instantly made the decision to get out through the forward hatch, pushed that open, but it would only open a couple of inches, that’s when a little bit of self-preservation hit, I had secured a storm cover over the hatch, to prevent sun damage and water penetration as it did let a little bit of rain in.
The storm cover was a sewn panel of canvas secured by 3mm spectra, there was no way I could snap the spectra and I couldn’t force the hatch open enough to get out, I was extremely lucky that after 2 or 3 mighty kicks the cover started to rip, 1 or 2 more kicks and I was able to push through. I escaped through the hatch, closely followed by large clouds of thick smoke. I was lucky I had made the cover out of the old canvas boom cover and not new canvas. What have I learnt from this, in any future boat I own each cabin will have a fire blanket, fire extinguisher and knife mounted ready to be used, I believe if I had a blanket and extinguisher I could have run through the fire and dived into the water, I would have suffered a few burns but would survive, a knife, I could have cut the cover.
Always survey your surroundings, i.e. ways out in an emergency; I should have untied the cover before having a sleep, but it made me think about how many yachts out there have their tender mounted on the deck over their forward hatch? Certainly cause for concern for some.




I am lucky, I got out, Nautilus Insurance has been great, but I have still lost a fair bit of investment in the improvements I had made since buying Jezebel. So now starts the process again, looking for suitable replacement, although very salvageable if you have plenty of time, I just want to be sailing not working on a yacht so I am not buying her back from insurance but she will be a bargain project for someone out there.
HG02
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20 Oct 2014 12:04am
pumpnjump Im glad you made it out of there. Better luck with your new yacht
Toph
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19 Oct 2014 11:11pm
Close call....
Glad to hear you made it out safe.
Ramona
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20 Oct 2014 9:25am
Thanks for posting that.
Crusoe
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20 Oct 2014 9:10am
Yeah, thanks for sharing and glad you're okay. Its a good reminder to all of us. Very scary. I might start releasing the dinghy lashings over the aft cabin hatch just in case. I've got 5 fire extinguishes scattered around on board, but I've always wonder just how effective they would be in the real deal. Hope the insurance money get you a nice yacht with minimum work to get you out on the water. Now that'd be the dream, buying a boat that only required maintenance because everything needed was done or installed by the previous owner. Good Luck
southace
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20 Oct 2014 2:38pm

One thing you didn't mention is how the fire started......was it a faulty stove or was it due to your Negulance?
i had a very simular experience with a metho stove when I was young , lucky for me my quick actions by throwing the stove,frypan and steak over the side and exitingsting the remaining burning metho saved myself and my fathers classic timber sailboat yacht.
What I learnt was metho is not as safe as everyone claims especially it there is a fault the stove!
pumpnjump
pumpnjump
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20 Oct 2014 1:44pm
southace said..

One thing you didn't mention is how the fire started......was it a faulty stove or was it due to your Negulance?
i had a very simular experience with a metho stove when I was young , lucky for me my quick actions by throwing the stove,frypan and steak over the side and exitingsting the remaining burning metho saved myself and my fathers classic timber sailboat yacht.
What I learnt was metho is not as safe as everyone claims especially it there is a fault the stove!


No thankfully not my negligence, I initially thought it was due to my metho stove, but that was only a couple of months old, that and the kettle look unmarked and even no soot on them, the Fire Service did their inspection and report, and it appears to be an electrical short either in, or between the inverter and fridge, which would make sense as this was directly under where I had my spinnakers, deck cushions and jibs, hence going up so fast.
Yara
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20 Oct 2014 4:45pm
The classic metho stove with a pre-heat cup around the burner can sometimes feed more metho than the burner vaporises, and you can end up with liquid metho in the cup. Eventually you get a flashover, and a large flame, even maybe spilling out of the stove and onto the bench. They say there is a flow regulating mesh/wool which needs to be in the feed pipe to stop this happening.

Dont think the Origo style metho burner suffers from this problem, although less powerful.

However, the rule in my house and boat, is never leave a lit burner unattended.
DrRog
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20 Oct 2014 5:33pm
So sorry to hear about the loss of your vessel, P&J. And thanks for sharing your experience. Good luck with finding another.
HG02
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20 Oct 2014 9:30pm
Pumpin and jumpin
The first thing I bought for my boat months ago was a fire blanket. I have two fire extinguisher on board I think Ill add some more plus another fire blanket in the forward cabin after your experience. thanks for sharing, good luck on your new yacht when you find her
pumpnjump
pumpnjump
WA
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20 Oct 2014 8:13pm
HG02 said..
Pumpin and jumpin
The first thing I bought for my boat months ago was a fire blanket. I have two fire extinguisher on board I think Ill add some more plus another fire blanket in the forward cabin after your experience. thanks for sharing, good luck on your new yacht when you find her


Thanks HG and all, yes looking for the new boat, unfortunately all the good ones appear over east, and I am not confident enough to bring back on my own, so budget will depend on skipper cost if I buy over there, hopefully something will turn up in W.A.
andy59
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20 Oct 2014 11:23pm
Thanks for sharing that. I have 2 fire extinguishers, both mounted at the rear of my cabin. You inspired me to mount 2 more forward along with another fire blanket.Good luck with the new boat.
Ramona
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21 Oct 2014 9:26am
Pumnjump,
Is That a steel or alloy Van de Stadt 34? Might be a good buy from the insurance company for you or one of your mates.
dralyagmas
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21 Oct 2014 10:17am
Glad you got out safe, but Not to nick pick but isn't a fire extinguisher and Fire blanket mandatory if you have a stove on board. I know in SA it is.
Boatin
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21 Oct 2014 12:19pm
Thanks for the post. Makes you have a good rethink about ones own situation and facilities on board.
Ramona
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21 Oct 2014 12:58pm
dralyagmas said..
Glad you got out safe, but Not to nick pick but isn't a fire extinguisher and Fire blanket mandatory if you have a stove on board. I know in SA it is.


Probably. I have two extinguishers on the forward bulkhead so if I would happen to be in the heads and a fire broke out I would have a chance. Previous owner installed, I can take no credit.
Davage
Davage
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21 Oct 2014 5:34pm
Those of you with powder type extinguishers, remember to pick it up and tip it upside down while giving it a good shake at least once a month. Over time the powder settles at the bottom of the cylinder and packs down tight due to the movement of the boat through waves.
Do yourself a favor and the next time you have to replace a extinguisher go out somewhere and let the thing off. Its the best way to see how little working time you have with those mini ones.
aus005
aus005
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21 Oct 2014 6:52pm
glad you got out ok.
you may have to change your name to kicknjump
pumpnjump
pumpnjump
WA
265 posts
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21 Oct 2014 9:09pm
Ramona said..
Pumnjump,
Is That a steel or alloy Van de Stadt 34? Might be a good buy from the insurance company for you or one of your mates.


She's ally, and built by Austal ships to survey in their quiet times, 1990, and will be a real bargain, insurance have already sold her on, I just did not have the time to take her on again with all that work ahead, but glad someone will, she is a great boat.
pumpnjump
pumpnjump
WA
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21 Oct 2014 9:12pm
dralyagmas said..
Glad you got out safe, but Not to nick pick but isn't a fire extinguisher and Fire blanket mandatory if you have a stove on board. I know in SA it is.


Certainly is, I had a fire blanket and 3 extinguishers, but not within reach, that was the lesson, have them in every cabin. Flames prevented access, 2 of which had emptied their contents by time the fire was put out!
FreeRadical
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WA
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21 Oct 2014 9:22pm
WA DoT regs: Fire Extinguisher (one) is mandatory. Fire Blanket only "recommended".
Seamonkey_H2024
Seamonkey_H2024
VIC
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22 Oct 2014 8:22am
After reading this I'm inspired to get a generic household smoke detector for my boat.
Crusoe
Crusoe
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22 Oct 2014 11:07am
CO - the silent killer. After reading stories about Carbon Monoxide poisoning a CO Monitor might be worth considering. I've got a couple of combined Smoke/CO monitors (from Bunnings). Even had one go off in the aft cabin when I had an exhaust leak. CO is scary stuff when you have crew sleeping inside your boat when motoring.

If you ever get a chance to, read this book, I would recommend it. Apparently the insurance company puts out a monthly newsletter to all its policy holders telling them about all the claims they've had so that the other policy holders can learn from the events. This book is a collection of the most noteable. One is the story of the guy on watch going down to wake the crew for shift change and they were all dead.



Here is the wrap about the book

BoatU.S. provides marine insurance
coverage to 250,000 American powerboaters and sailors, which makes its collection of claims reports one of the world’s largest archives of boating accidents. For more than 20 years, as writer and editor of BoatU.S.’s quarterly publication Seaworthy, Bob Adriance has sifted and analyzed this rich trove to discover and highlight the profound lessons it contains. Here is the ultimate boater’s guide to preventing, responding to, and surviving accidents under power or sail, including hurricane damage, lightning strikes, collisions, fires, groundings, sinkings, crew overboard, dismastings, and more.

Experience may be the best teacher, but the lessons are a lot less painful when the experience is someone else’s. Here is a unique opportunity to use other skippers’ misfortunes to make your own boat and seamanship safer. “A boaters’ guide as important and practical as any I’ve read. And if you can ignore the occasional frisson of guilty pleasure, one that’s as engrossing to read as The Perfect Storm.”–Tony Gibbs, yachting writer, editor, and novelist “Hair-raising disasters, hard facts, and helpful advice; Seaworthy is a compendium of no-nonsense information on avoiding problems that only a marine insurer could provide. Invaluable for the boater, builder, designer, and surveyor.”–Dave Gerr, director, Westlawn Institute of Tecnology; author of The Nature of Boats and The Elements of Boat Strength
scruzin
scruzin
SA
564 posts
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25 Oct 2014 6:35pm
Thanks for sharing. I have one fire extinguisher per cabin (3) plus another in the galley, but having a fire blanket in each cabin too is a good idea.
scaramouche
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VIC
190 posts
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25 Oct 2014 7:39pm
pumpnjump said..
Following a fire on my yacht, I thought I would pass on a couple of things I have learnt from the incident.
I had been asleep on the boat and had just put the kettle on, as is my practice I started the engine so it could have a good run, I also put on the fridge as I was going to stock that up for the season so was getting it cold ready for food and drinks later in the day. I had been on night shift so went and lay down again, waiting for the kettle to boil, slow metho stove, I was on my V berth and the door had swung shut, a few minutes later, bearing in mind the kettle takes about 10 minutes or so to boil and hadn’t yet boiled, I was somehow alerted, sat up and took an earplug out as I had still got these in for sleep, then pushed the cabin door open with my foot. What confronted me was a large portion of the main cabin was ablaze, around the cabin entry flames were floor to ceiling and no way through in only a pair of shorts. I instantly made the decision to get out through the forward hatch, pushed that open, but it would only open a couple of inches, that’s when a little bit of self-preservation hit, I had secured a storm cover over the hatch, to prevent sun damage and water penetration as it did let a little bit of rain in.
The storm cover was a sewn panel of canvas secured by 3mm spectra, there was no way I could snap the spectra and I couldn’t force the hatch open enough to get out, I was extremely lucky that after 2 or 3 mighty kicks the cover started to rip, 1 or 2 more kicks and I was able to push through. I escaped through the hatch, closely followed by large clouds of thick smoke. I was lucky I had made the cover out of the old canvas boom cover and not new canvas. What have I learnt from this, in any future boat I own each cabin will have a fire blanket, fire extinguisher and knife mounted ready to be used, I believe if I had a blanket and extinguisher I could have run through the fire and dived into the water, I would have suffered a few burns but would survive, a knife, I could have cut the cover.
Always survey your surroundings, i.e. ways out in an emergency; I should have untied the cover before having a sleep, but it made me think about how many yachts out there have their tender mounted on the deck over their forward hatch? Certainly cause for concern for some.




I am lucky, I got out, Nautilus Insurance has been great, but I have still lost a fair bit of investment in the improvements I had made since buying Jezebel. So now starts the process again, looking for suitable replacement, although very salvageable if you have plenty of time, I just want to be sailing not working on a yacht so I am not buying her back from insurance but she will be a bargain project for someone out there.


Thanks for your frank comments
lots of lessons. For all!

McNaughtical
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7 May 2015 4:29am
Food for thought here. My forward hatch was a little tricky to open, and I had visions of boat upside down in the dark, so spent time opening it with my eyes closed till I could do it easily. I will definitely be getting extra extinguishers and blankets for the foreward cabin. The CO detector smoke detector is a great idea also. Did you get your new boat yet Jumpin and Kickin?
cisco
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7 May 2015 12:04pm
pumpnjump said..

Ramona said..
Pumnjump,
Is That a steel or alloy Van de Stadt 34? Might be a good buy from the insurance company for you or one of your mates.



She's ally, and built by Austal ships to survey in their quiet times, 1990, and will be a real bargain, insurance have already sold her on, I just did not have the time to take her on again with all that work ahead, but glad someone will, she is a great boat.


That fire is such a shame as Jezebel was/is a brilliant yacht. There is another ally VDS 34 on the market, though under offer, Temujin. Great name which was Genghis Khan's tribal name.

http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/van-de-stadt-34/162834

This one may be viable to sail over the top from Cairns but she is steel and the lack of interior shots makes me think her fit out may not be too good.

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/vanderstadt/157743

Thanks for the heads up on lessons learned. I have two extinguishers aboard but will be getting two more plus fire blankets.

Though the stove was not the cause of the blaze, it very well could have been. I am not criticizing you but just saying in this case if you had not left the stove unattended you would have seen the fire start and been able to kill it. If however you even had attended the stove, had your cup of tea and gone to bed and the fire started then, I doubt you would be with us today.

This makes a very strong argument for fitting smoke/CO alarms. Fairly cheap insurance really.
HG02
HG02
VIC
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7 May 2015 1:07pm
A very good idea cisco ill be doing exactly that
Smoke alarms
andy59
andy59
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7 May 2015 1:37pm
Mmmmm smoke alarms and carbon monoxide alarms on the list
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
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8 May 2015 12:00am
In NSW anywhere a person sleeps, caravan boat etc, must be covered by a smoke alarm, its the law!
pumpnjump
pumpnjump
WA
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7 May 2015 10:07pm
McNaughtical said..
Food for thought here. My forward hatch was a little tricky to open, and I had visions of boat upside down in the dark, so spent time opening it with my eyes closed till I could do it easily. I will definitely be getting extra extinguishers and blankets for the foreward cabin. The CO detector smoke detector is a great idea also. Did you get your new boat yet Jumpin and Kickin?


Must have been karma, insurance settled very quickly, and a great boat came up for sale in Adelaide, far too expensive but ended with her anyway, sailed her back across the Bight in February, funny Southace was over there I think buying a boat at the same time. Mine is a Beneteau 41s5, very nice cruiser racer. So after all the drama I am very happy!
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