Fouled props

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BobFord
BobFord
QLD
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QLD, 92 posts
4 Feb 2014 3:23pm
That story from SirJman re loss of power reminded me to share my experience with folding props.

I usually sit at a Gold Coast or Brisbane marina during the cyclone season. Last year , after 4 months not moving , at Gold Coast. Set out for Cato Island in light conditions. Fair bit of motoring , especially to clear the East Australian current. It was soon obvious that engine temps were up , increasing revs. didn't produce the speed expected.
I run a pair of Gori's on the Yanmars. The Prop Speed was less than a year old. Anyhow , a look over the side and I could see that the props were not fully engaging. Diverted to Frazer and put her on the beach. Sure enough , barnacles in the gear mechanism and some fouling on the props.

Spoke to Gori and to Propspeed . It seemed that the only solution is to run the props each week , just to engage fwd. reverse and stop. The other option is to dive and put light bags over the folded props. Made up the bags but this year , ended up at Rivergate Marina . Needed courage to dive here, so now are spinning each week!

After 2 months , spent a weekend at Koonangai, nice ,clean water! The props had a few barnacles but the gears were clean and shiney.

I do wonder if there is a alternative solution. There would be a lot of boats where the skipper can't run the props every week ?
Dezman
Dezman
NSW
818 posts
NSW, 818 posts
4 Feb 2014 4:55pm
Only this morning that was the beach topic among the cat owners. Both were using lanolin on their folding props and both were upset they couldn't get the old type that came in a white container with red lid! The new stuff would disperse In the water as they tried to apply it and wore off two quick. But both vouched for the old lanolin grease for keeping off the growth.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
4 Feb 2014 5:31pm
I have been told by numerous people that prop speed does require the props to be turned about every 2 weeks. Makes sense to get the film off the prop before it takes hold through the coating.
theace
theace
NSW
70 posts
NSW, 70 posts
4 Feb 2014 5:55pm
While you are down there( under the boat that is) clean out the engine cooling water seacock.
QLDCruiser
QLDCruiser
QLD
160 posts
QLD, 160 posts
5 Feb 2014 8:02am
Propspeed protects the blades pretty well, but it will quickly wear off the actual gears on a folding prop. Then there's nothing to stop the barnacles, so 2 weekly exercise sounds about right.
SeaDragon330
SeaDragon330
47 posts
47 posts
8 Feb 2014 7:59am
What a hassle,can't beat twin outboards.
BobFord
BobFord
QLD
92 posts
QLD, 92 posts
8 Feb 2014 8:08pm
I agree SeaDragon , it is a real hassle ! I think that these super efficient geared props have a big downside. Most boats, stand still for most of their life.

My old Crowther had fixed props and the efficiency just gradually diminished .QLD cruiser, you have summed up the problem- Propspeed clearly wears off the gears and creates a dangerous situation , at least it would be a big problem for a power craft !

Next time I slip or dry out i'll try a coating of Lanolin , the NZ genuine stuff if I can source it.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
9 Feb 2014 8:54am
Lanolin if applied to a hot propeller lasts for a few days! Start with a clean propeller, better if its polished. Heat with a blow torch and slop on the lanolin.
Just a polished propeller lasts just as long. Coating with stove black used to work but the new stuff has all the good stuff removed for your safety! Some people swear by a good metal etch primer followed by a hard antifouling.

I generally give mine a good scrub, I can reach mine easily snorkeling and can scrub with a stiff broom also from the tender.If the prop is polished it cleans up easily. The gears in the folding prop I keep clean by running the engine and going into and out of gear a few times with plenty of revs.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
9 Feb 2014 12:17pm
Ramona said..

Some people swear by a good metal etch primer followed by a hard antifouling.



I think that is as about as good as it gets.

MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
9 Feb 2014 4:17pm
I did the etch primer and hard anti foul. Lasts about 20 hours motoring and you have the same problem with the gears.

I now use prop speed. My issue with prop speed is the stuff is so thick it can make the gears/opening faces sticky even without any barnacles. Needs a burst of power to get them to open which is a pain with the vibration from the prop. The stuff lasts on the blades for 18 months on my boat.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
9 Feb 2014 7:37pm
MorningBird said..

I did the etch primer and hard anti foul. Lasts about 20 hours motoring and you have the same problem with the gears.

I now use prop speed. My issue with prop speed is the stuff is so thick it can make the gears/opening faces sticky even without any barnacles. Needs a burst of power to get them to open which is a pain with the vibration from the prop. The stuff lasts on the blades for 18 months on my boat.




Doing it yourself and have access to the product? Down here its only applied by experts at $450 a prop!
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
9 Feb 2014 9:27pm
$125 applied by the yard at haulout.
BobFord
BobFord
QLD
92 posts
QLD, 92 posts
10 Feb 2014 4:41pm
Regarding Propspeed- I picked up a tip on a blog , last year . Clean and polish the prop and apply a few coats of Cabots CFP floor finish, Gloss .This is an Acrylic.

I have tried it on one prop and after a year , can see no difference to Propspeed. Still minor barnacles . Costs bugger all at Bunnings.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
10 Feb 2014 6:31pm
I was talking to someone recently at the slips who bought some prop speed from NZ. Apparently on sale there to the general public.
claverton
claverton
NSW
165 posts
NSW, 165 posts
10 Feb 2014 10:18pm
Ramona, what gear do you use when polishing the prop? wet and dry then buff with a drill?
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
11 Feb 2014 7:54am
BobFord said..

Regarding Propspeed- I picked up a tip on a blog , last year . Clean and polish the prop and apply a few coats of Cabots CFP floor finish, Gloss .This is an Acrylic.

I have tried it on one prop and after a year , can see no difference to Propspeed. Still minor barnacles . Costs bugger all at Bunnings.


Cabots CFP is damn good stuff. I used it on my hardwood floors and not even the dog doing wheelies will scratch it.

It is a water soluble acrylic and I think it would be ideal for interior timber work. It cures really hard and I believe it will seal and densify as well as Everdure/Wattyl Timber Preserver which are epoxy two pack coatings.

Virtually no odours with CFP and can be overcoated after one hour. Get big varnishing jobs done in a day.

Good to hear it is as good as prop speed.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
11 Feb 2014 9:00am
claverton said..

Ramona, what gear do you use when polishing the prop? wet and dry then buff with a drill?




I just linish with a blunt fine sanding disc on a mini grinder.
claverton
claverton
NSW
165 posts
NSW, 165 posts
12 Feb 2014 6:17am
Cabots CFP sounds like an excellent tip...can't wait to try it out
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