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Have you finished the race when you've cross the line? (Rule 31 applies)

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Created by Bundeenabuoy > 9 months ago, 19 Sep 2018
Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
19 Sep 2018 12:15PM
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This is a bit more complicated than it sounds.

DamoB
NSW, 14 posts
19 Sep 2018 6:27PM
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You can still be DSQ'd if you impede a boat say port n starboard on the line [ you on port ] .
Or any boat that is still racing...

Damo



Trek
NSW, 1067 posts
19 Sep 2018 6:30PM
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I would love to have a ruling on this one from an expert.

I got a DSQ from a race at Gosford Sailing Club and lost points causing a lost championship in the 1990s because after my bow crossed the finish line we motored away. It was a no wind day and our speed was 0.0001 kts. The official at the finish line insisted that the whole boat had to cross the line not just the bow.

DamoB
NSW, 14 posts
19 Sep 2018 6:42PM
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Trek that sounds like a case of premature combustion ..
Mate you should have crossed the line fully...

Damo



SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
19 Sep 2018 6:49PM
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Trek said..
I would love to have a ruling on this one from an expert.

I got a DSQ from a race at Gosford Sailing Club and lost points causing a lost championship in the 1990s because after my bow crossed the finish line we motored away. It was a no wind day and our speed was 0.0001 kts. The official at the finish line insisted that the whole boat had to cross the line not just the bow.


thats an interesting one !!!! so , i,m sure the time is taken when the bow crosses the line . .... so ...therefore you are finished .....therefore should be able to motor home .....

Trek
NSW, 1067 posts
19 Sep 2018 6:50PM
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DamoB said..
Trek that sounds like a case of premature combustion ..
Mate you should have crossed the line fully...

Damo




Thats what the official said. At the time we were talking another 15 minutes to get the stern over the line.

But the rule I understood was "a boat finishes when any part of her hull, or crew or equipment in normal position, crosses the line from the course side"....

Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
19 Sep 2018 7:05PM
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Hi Trek

Did they give you a finished signal (horn) as you crossed the line

Regards Don

Trek
NSW, 1067 posts
19 Sep 2018 7:10PM
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Hi Trek

Did they give you a finished signal (horn) as you crossed the line

Regards Don




No but I think they should have.

Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
19 Sep 2018 7:49PM
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Trek said..

Donk107 said..
Hi Trek

Did they give you a finished signal (horn) as you crossed the line

Regards Don





No but I think they should have.


Hi Trek

How did they let you know that they had actually finished you

Regards Don

Trek
NSW, 1067 posts
19 Sep 2018 7:56PM
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Trek said..




Donk107 said..
Hi Trek

Did they give you a finished signal (horn) as you crossed the line

Regards Don








No but I think they should have.





Hi Trek

How did they let you know that they had actually finished you

Regards Don




Our bow crossed the finish line, then I started motor and headed off and the finish line official called out we hadn't finished because the whole boat hadnt crossed the line. I told him rubbish its the bow that counts. Later we got a DSQ (or might have been DNF).

Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
19 Sep 2018 8:04PM
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Trek said..

Donk107 said..




Trek said..





Donk107 said..
Hi Trek

Did they give you a finished signal (horn) as you crossed the line

Regards Don









No but I think they should have.






Hi Trek

How did they let you know that they had actually finished you

Regards Don





Our bow crossed the finish line, then I started motor and headed off and the finish line official called out we hadn't finished because the whole boat hadnt crossed the line. I told him rubbish its the bow that counts. Later we got a DSQ (or might have been DNF).


Hi Trek

Looking at the racing rules of sailing you are correct in what you say so i don't see how they could DSQ you

Down here at Port Huon we always give a horn signal as each boat finishes and sometimes it seems to be ages after i think we have crossed the line that the horn goes off (not saying this was the case in your example)

Regards Don

Trek
NSW, 1067 posts
19 Sep 2018 8:12PM
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Trek said..









Donk107 said..












Trek said..













Donk107 said..
Hi Trek

Did they give you a finished signal (horn) as you crossed the line

Regards Don

















No but I think they should have.














Hi Trek

How did they let you know that they had actually finished you

Regards Don













Our bow crossed the finish line, then I started motor and headed off and the finish line official called out we hadn't finished because the whole boat hadnt crossed the line. I told him rubbish its the bow that counts. Later we got a DSQ (or might have been DNF).










Hi Trek

Looking at the racing rules of sailing you are correct in what you say so i don't see how they could DSQ you

Down here at Port Huon we always give a horn signal as each boat finishes and sometimes it seems to be ages after i think we have crossed the line that the horn goes off (not saying this was the case in your example)

Regards Don


Thanks Don. Thats what I thought. I remember at the time the officials that would have presided over a protest were all in the bar after the race and insisted I was wrong (or more likely didn't want to be shown that they were wrong) so no point arguing so I had another beer!

Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
19 Sep 2018 8:30PM
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Hi Trek

Just to clarify my earlier comment about the Port Huon finish line

The Race Officals here give the horn when the bow of the boat crosses the line but because i am only seeing one end of the line a lot of the time i think we have crossed before we actually have

Regards Don

lydia
1657 posts
20 Sep 2018 3:27AM
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You have to "clear the finish line" whatever that means to cease racing but you finish when the first part of the boat touches the line.

lydia
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20 Sep 2018 3:32AM
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DamoB said..
You can still be DSQ'd if you impede a boat say port n starboard on the line [ you on port ] .
Or any boat that is still racing...

Damo




D See you have KA 175, one of the fastest Finns in the world until the new Devoti's.
1979 VANGARD with top tens in the Gold Cup.
Has it still got the piece of inch ply glued to the transom to make it measure by finishing it forward in the measurement jig.
Spent hours Llambo- laying that hull.

Ramona
NSW, 7388 posts
20 Sep 2018 8:49AM
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D See you have KA 175, one of the fastest Finns in the world until the new Devoti's.
1979 VANGARD with top tens in the Gold Cup.
Has it still got the piece of inch ply glued to the transom to make it measure by finishing it forward in the measurement jig.
Spent hours Llambo- laying that hull.


That's my son sailing my old boat. Yes it was also one of the fastest boats about till the introduction of wingmasts. That's my version of a winged mast in the photo. Turned out too stiff for my weight! The hull has many modifications over a Mk 1 Vanguard. The obvious one is the transom and the seriously thinned down gel coat. Under the cockpit floor there is a sliding drawer for lead weights so she could still pass the weight balance regs.

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
20 Sep 2018 9:22AM
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lydia said..
You have to "clear the finish line" whatever that means to cease racing but you finish when the first part of the boat touches the line.




My understanding is that "generally" the complete hull must have passed over the line otherwise you have not"cleared the finish line".

lydia
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20 Sep 2018 7:35AM
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Ramona said..



lydia said..



D See you have KA 175, one of the fastest Finns in the world until the new Devoti's.
1979 VANGARD with top tens in the Gold Cup.
Has it still got the piece of inch ply glued to the transom to make it measure by finishing it forward in the measurement jig.
Spent hours Llambo- laying that hull.





That's my son sailing my old boat. Yes it was also one of the fastest boats about till the introduction of wingmasts. That's my version of a winged mast in the photo. Turned out too stiff for my weight! The hull has many modifications over a Mk 1 Vanguard. The obvious one is the transom and the seriously thinned down gel coat. Under the cockpit floor there is a sliding drawer for lead weights so she could still pass the weight balance regs.




I have recollection of helping to renew the floor now I think of it.
The transom ply was to get is measure for I think about the 1993 Gold Cup.
The hull was to small and under the tolerances so by adding an inch to the back the measurement points moved back and it had enough hull volume to measure.
the draw was to optimise the Lamboley test.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2492 posts
20 Sep 2018 3:40PM
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You gammy bastards.

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 1239 posts
20 Sep 2018 7:42PM
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Bundeenabuoy said..

lydia said..
You have to "clear the finish line" whatever that means to cease racing but you finish when the first part of the boat touches the line.





My understanding is that "generally" the complete hull must have passed over the line otherwise you have not"cleared the finish line".


I used the word "generally "because there is precedence for a capsized dinghy with gear and crew secure, finishing a race.

All@Sea
TAS, 228 posts
20 Sep 2018 8:54PM
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I've seen many instances of boats starting their engine before the entire hull is over the line, and would consider it courteous. For example, I've seen a breeze that's died right at the finish, so that literally boats are piling up on the finish line to the extent that there's no room for other finishers unless engines are started. Especially with multiple divisions finishing on the same line, and larger faster boats finishing behind. I recall something about being clear of the finish line referring to instances such as not being at risk of hitting the finish marks... I mean it'd be no good poking your bow through and then drifting onto the pin end mark, or starting your engine to avoid doing so. There was a SA thread on this topic recently. I'll look for it.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2492 posts
20 Sep 2018 9:47PM
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Thanks All@Sea,
That summed it up nicely.
SB



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