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Franrick
Franrick
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14 Jun 2015 11:38am
LooseChange and I have had a bit of a chat about home brewing and I was wondering who amongst us actually does their home brewing on board.
I have only ever brewed at home but once we start cruising full time that will not be an option so I will have to consider how I am going to do it on Board.
The first two things that come to mind are that the boat will need to be somewhere reasonably calm/flat for a week while the fermentation takes place and also that I will need to have a 240 volt supply at hand for about five hours to run the urn during the cooking process. An alternative to the 240 volt would obviously be a stovetop urn.
Does anyone have any experience doing this ?
Cheers, Rick.
samsturdy
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14 Jun 2015 1:58pm


Easier and cheaper to become teetotal!?!?.
Franrick
Franrick
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14 Jun 2015 12:09pm
It might be cheaper but Im not sure about easier.
Shotchas
Shotchas
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14 Jun 2015 3:20pm
Just use the canned malt extract instead of all grain mashing.
All you need is a kettle for a few litres of hot water to mix with the malt then whack it in the fermenter with the yeast.
There's a huge amount of good quality stuff available these days, to suit most tastes.

I have now progressed to home distilling using raw ingredients from stock feed suppliers. Feed molasses for rum, and a variety of grains for whisky with some great results. Compared to the rum I make, Bundy would only be good for cleaning tools.
BUT - you couldn't run a still on board!

I hope your beer works out
Franrick
Franrick
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14 Jun 2015 2:05pm
Shotchas,
I was actually requesting about spirits.
I gave up brewing beer many, many years ago.
I have distilled at home for quite a few years now but as we are looking at full time cruising in the near future I was hoping to hear from someone who has actually distilled on board and how they went about it.
At the moment I use a 25 liter still with a 240 volt supply but I would imagine that a stove top setup would be a much better setup on a boat.
I disagree that you couldn't run a still on board, you would just need to adapt how you go about it.
It would certainly need a lot more thought than doing the same thing in the comfort of your home but a cruisers we have to learn to adapt to the situation.
Cheers, Rick.
Meg1122
Meg1122
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14 Jun 2015 4:10pm
You can make home brew beer onboard while cruising using canned kits, you just need a place to secure your brew barrel and bottles, it doesn't seem to mind sea state and will happily bubble away while you sail. You can make spirits using a converted pressure cooker to distill, you can get the adapter to distill from home brew shops and use a portable stove top, you can make around 70% alcohol then weaken to suit, you need to store it carefully and it's good for sedating fish to stop them thrashing about in the cockpit, just a squirt into the gills and they become instantly relaxed. It's a good thing to do in countries where alcohol is expensive or non existant but somewhat uneccessary in places where it's cheaper to buy then brew.
Franrick
Franrick
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14 Jun 2015 2:32pm
Great Meg,
The pressure cooker side of it never occurred to me. I have one on board already as they are great to use on a boat.
Does the conversion destroy the pressure cooker for normal use or can it be used for both purposes.
Mine is a more modern version without the weight over the exhaust and the option of two pressure settings.
Pressure cookers are relatively inexpensive so buying a second one would not be a problem.
I can't see the point on wasting good alcohol on making a fish relax though. I would much prefer to use it to make myself relax just before I whack the fish on the head to stun it.
Thanks for your info, I hope others get something from it too.

Shotchas
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14 Jun 2015 5:46pm
Yes, well when you said brewing I thought you meant - brewing!

To run any still, you need a still column, then a condenser. The column can either be a "pot still" or "reflux" (in very general terms).
Pot stills are the only way to make spirits with flavour, E.g. rum and whiskey
Reflux stills make neutral spirit, which some people then flavour with essences from the home brew shop to make pretend spirits.

I use a converted 30L SS beer keg fitted with a 1500mm X 50mm copper column heated with a large LPG "banjo" burner.

You then need a constant water flow to cool the condenser while running it.

I hope this clarifies it a bit.
Franrick
Franrick
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14 Jun 2015 5:34pm
No need to clarify it mate. Your preaching to the converted. I have been doing it for about ten years now.
I refer to it as brewing as the initial process is almost the same as doing beer but with a lot more sugar/dextrose. et-all.
My original post did mention having a 240 volt power supply for the earn. That might have indicated I was talking about spirits.
I wasn't looking for directions on how to do it, just advise from others on how it might be done while living on board.
Since I have a 25 liter reflux still I guess I have only been making pretend spirits all this time.
Funny that, a few people have been known get the wobbly boot after imbibing on my pretend spirits. A friend of mine who rides with me in Ulysses once complained my brew was piss weak (he is a south American, which means he is super machismo and 40% alcohol isn't strong enough) so for our next run I made him a special bottle at a slightly higher percentage. It was quite funny for the rest of us watching him try to crap and spew at the same time. He never complained again.
Cheers, Rick.
LooseChange
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14 Jun 2015 8:01pm
The results from any earlier endeavour ......



Charriot
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14 Jun 2015 8:39pm
Franric, don't listen some of these remarks, U on the right track. My guess would be cooling problem
more tricky on boat in Qld.
By the way I love the piss too,but don't spoil it, I get 45, just right for. me.
Franrick
Franrick
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14 Jun 2015 7:15pm
Jesus LC,
You could strip paint with that.
Mine rarely gets over 90%
LooseChange
LooseChange
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14 Jun 2015 9:32pm
Franrick said..
I have only been making pretend spirits all this time.
Cheers, Rick.


I contend that a lot of the spirits you buy in the shops are all only "Pretend" spirits as well.

Let me try and splain it .... Arguably, Scotch is the most popular spirit in the world and possibly Vodka being a close second.
If you take just one brand and have a guess at how much they sell of it each year and if it's a say 12 year old scotch, that means there are 12 whole complete warehouses of this stuff, each one a year younger than the next one. Taking into account yearly growth means that each year the warehouse needs to get bigger to accommodate the demand needed in 12 years time when that warehouse hits the retail shelves.
Now the whole crux is that I don't believe any Distillery can afford to keep that much stock on hand, very expensive stock on which they have paid taxes, given that the government makes more "profit" per bottle than the manufacturer does, it can not be argued that it's the high price that allows the distiller to store it for so long.
For years I have believed that most of the spirits sold around the world are of the "Pretend" type, otherwise why would there be a huge industry devoted to making synthesized flavours. Coz it sure as hell isn't to satisfy a piddling amateur market.
Franrick
Franrick
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14 Jun 2015 7:34pm
Hi Charriot,
I dont think cooling would be to big a problem. I have a large water capacity but I cant see why you couldn't cool with sea water as long as you gave it a good flush when you were finished.
You would only need a small water pump with a T-piece to regulate the flow.
A pot still would be more suitable for stove tops but why cook five liters when you can cook twenty five.
I don't pretend to be a purist at this, I like the results of my efforts and I really enjoy a Bourbon or whatever as a sundowner.
I can imagine having 20 liters or so of alcohol on board with a lot of different wood chips and essences in order to make something to suit most situations as well as a good stock of my favorites.
Thats the good thing with home made spirits, you can make it at whatever percentage you like.
Imagine if we were able to do this when we were much younger. Can you live without a liver ?
LooseChange
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14 Jun 2015 9:37pm
Franrick said..
Jesus LC,
You could strip paint with that.
Mine rarely gets over 90%


It's part of my routine to make the best product possible in the most efficient way. It does get diluted to the required strength .... but not with tap water, I use those drums of water you buy at the supermarket, no fluorides or chlorides or any other nasties.

BTW .... to really strip paint you need Bundy Rum.
LooseChange
LooseChange
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14 Jun 2015 9:41pm
Sea water works just fine, it is a big ocean after all. As you say Rick a flushing after is all that is required.
Franrick
Franrick
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14 Jun 2015 7:50pm

LC,
I am the same with diluting. I have a water purifier at home. Not an inline one but one that does about eight liters at a time.
The diluted spirit is then screened again as I run it through an Essencia filter combined with a carbon cartridge.
It is a little more expensive that way but also very convenient and you end up with an ultra clear pretend spirit.
Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
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18 Jun 2015 3:34am
Franrick said..
Shotchas,
I was actually requesting about spirits.
I gave up brewing beer many, many years ago.
I have distilled at home for quite a few years now but as we are looking at full time cruising in the near future I was hoping to hear from someone who has actually distilled on board and how they went about it.
At the moment I use a 25 liter still with a 240 volt supply but I would imagine that a stove top setup would be a much better setup on a boat.
I disagree that you couldn't run a still on board, you would just need to adapt how you go about it.
It would certainly need a lot more thought than doing the same thing in the comfort of your home but a cruisers we have to learn to adapt to the situation.
Cheers, Rick.


the guys from delos have some videos on it. they do it anywhere and everywhere.
bubble7777
bubble7777
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191 posts
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18 Jun 2015 8:59pm
Sectorsteve said..

Franrick said..
Shotchas,
I was actually requesting about spirits.
I gave up brewing beer many, many years ago.
I have distilled at home for quite a few years now but as we are looking at full time cruising in the near future I was hoping to hear from someone who has actually distilled on board and how they went about it.
At the moment I use a 25 liter still with a 240 volt supply but I would imagine that a stove top setup would be a much better setup on a boat.
I disagree that you couldn't run a still on board, you would just need to adapt how you go about it.
It would certainly need a lot more thought than doing the same thing in the comfort of your home but a cruisers we have to learn to adapt to the situation.
Cheers, Rick.



the guys from delos have some videos on it. they do it anywhere and everywhere.


that stuff they make on Delos would be awful. they use a cheap still spirits still. part of the process to good neutrals is a decent length in the column. the column needs to either be copper or needs to have copper packing. I would say a column under 3ft is a waste of time.
Franrick
Franrick
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289 posts
18 Jun 2015 8:29pm
Bugger,

Not only am I making ' pretend spirits ', NOW I'm wasting my time. lol.

Bubble, I appreciate that you and many others might be enthusiasts but I am not.

I make my spirits to either make, Baileys, Tiamaria or Bourbon. I am more than happy with the results, suits me just fine.

Since I usually mix my Bourbon with Coke I find that I don't really need to make the Bourbon to taste like the stuff you would buy in the grog shop as the Coke takes preference in the taste anyway.

If I want Bourbon to drink on ice (thats the water variety) I then use wood chips as it is better than the essence.

More than one person has commented that my Baileys is as good as the real stuff, so I must be doing something right.

Regardless, I appreciate that you put more effort in than I do and probably get more out of it as well but it hardly matters if I am satisfied with what I am doing.

Cheers,

Rick.
LooseChange
LooseChange
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18 Jun 2015 11:00pm
bubble7777 said..

that stuff they make on Delos would be awful. they use a cheap still spirits still. part of the process to good neutrals is a decent length in the column. the column needs to either be copper or needs to have copper packing. I would say a column under 3ft is a waste of time.


I agree, the stuff they make on Delos could never have been much good, mainly I think they were after affect, rather than quality. The stuff they make now must be even worse as they have recently switched over to an Air Still, a contraption that looks more like a thermos with a spout than something that could produce quality spirits.

I make Baileys as well, but mine is at 40%, not the anemic 17% of the real stuff, try it, you may like it as well.
bubble7777
bubble7777
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18 Jun 2015 11:05pm
Franrick said..
Bugger,

Not only am I making ' pretend spirits ', NOW I'm wasting my time. lol.

Bubble, I appreciate that you and many others might be enthusiasts but I am not.

I make my spirits to either make, Baileys, Tiamaria or Bourbon. I am more than happy with the results, suits me just fine.

Since I usually mix my Bourbon with Coke I find that I don't really need to make the Bourbon to taste like the stuff you would buy in the grog shop as the Coke takes preference in the taste anyway.

If I want Bourbon to drink on ice (thats the water variety) I then use wood chips as it is better than the essence.

More than one person has commented that my Baileys is as good as the real stuff, so I must be doing something right.

Regardless, I appreciate that you put more effort in than I do and probably get more out of it as well but it hardly matters if I am satisfied with what I am doing.

Cheers,

Rick.


Yeah point taken. its just good to see people making their own.... which is the most important part.


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