How did you learn to sail?

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Len76
Len76
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25 Oct 2013 2:01am
What got you into sailing and how did you learn to sail?

--Edit:

Oh, and WHY? Do you just like racing? Just like being on the water? Don't sail, just like to live on a boat? Was raised on the water? Wife kicked you out so you got relegated to the boat? You're super rich and don't know what to do with all your money so you buy expensive boats and show off? There's heaps of reasons for sailing that I can think of. Why do you sail?

cisco
cisco
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25 Oct 2013 2:03am
I joined the Navy at 16 as an apprentice. Our first leave was granted after 6 weeks. I was from Brisbane and was in Sydney and knew nobody there.

We were offered the opportunity of going to Schnapper Island off Balmain, which was the base for the naval Cadets, and participate in sailing activities.

I will remember this weekend till the day I die.

On the Saturday they just said "You three or four in that boat and you three or four in that one and away you go." No training or instruction and all arguing over who was the boss. The yachts were Corsairs being fibre glass and unsinkable. We all survived the day.

On the Sunday I had the great privilege of being crew (crew does what it is told) with a couple of other sprogs (newbies who know nothing) under the command of a couple of experienced sailors on a magnificent traditional clinker built open sailing boat about 15 or 18 foot long that was fully varnished.

The two old hands shouted at us "Get out on the windward rail you useless sprogs!!!!" and sailed the yacht till the leeward rail buried in the briny. Then they yelled "Do you want to go swimming?? No?? Well bail that frigging water out!!!"

You should experience something like that to appreciate what it is all about.

One hand for yourself and one for your ship.
cisco
cisco
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25 Oct 2013 2:05am
I just love sailing a yacht efficiently and living on the water.
DrRog
DrRog
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25 Oct 2013 8:59am
Nice one Cisco. We're not all that fortunate. Interesting question.

I did Intro to Sailing I think it was with a woman in Sydney with a 33 foot modern luxury yacht. Nice and gentle intro. Then a couple of entry level courses (Keelboat Crew and Keelboat Helm) with a sailing school on J24s. That was great because they're so responsive; you could instantly feel the effect of whatever you were adjusting. I did a few social races as crew but didn't learn much; unfortunate match with poor skipper imho. It would have bee good to do more crewing I think. Would have done some coastal or offshore stuff if I could have taken the weekends off but couldn't. I read everything I could; books I bought, library books, online resources, and also watched every sailing video I could find.

So with only that tiny amount of experience I bought a boat. Not enough experience or education to skipper a boat especially considering I bought what was probably a good second boat - 31 footer. Got the original owner to take me out for a sail and then some boat owner friends of my wife to take us out and chaperone us for a couple of days. After that I took things slowly; motored then foresail only then mainsail on gentle days.

Just over a year later I'm still on the learning curve. Quite happy to sail under main and jib through a busy harbour, pop out through the heads on a low swell, anchor for lunch, etc and still refitting the boat, learning tonnes. Not pushing myself or the boat until we're ready. Have just connected with a cruising club that is active and full of experienced cruisers who do small trips together. Next step is navigation and seamanship level stuff. I see myself as someone who is quite cautious and sensible but really didn't have much access to experienced sailors. Plus, I seem not to be that happy as crew (for any length of time anyway). Boat ownership was the (high) price I pay for that.
Ramona
Ramona
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25 Oct 2013 9:13am
When I was twelve I had my own lifejacket and used to rock up to the local sailing club on a Sunday [country town SA] We lived on the foreshore and a short walk to the sailing club. Club sailed Light weight and Heavy weight Sharpies plus Holdfast trainers. Used to regularly get a crewing spot as the middle hand when crew failed to show, occasionally even sailed in Holfasts. I had my own rowing dinghy as well with a square sail I made from a roller blind. Joined the navy at 15 and did the odd bit of sailing including skippering a Snark in an inter navy event in Japan. Posted to Leeuwin JR recruit school in '69 as the boatwork and sailing instructor. Built a Moth in 69, first of a series of racing dinghies and went on from there.
MattM14
MattM14
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25 Oct 2013 11:56am
Sailing has always been a part of my life thanks to my dad. He owned a yacht before I was even on this planet and so growing up for as long as I can remember Saturday afternoons in summer, dad went sailing (racing). As a kid I used to go along with him now and then but there wasn't a lot for a little kid to do on a racing yacht so it was a little boring. As I got older however I was able to get more involved and that made it more interesting. I somehow missed the dinghy intro to sailing that most kids have these days and it was dad that really taught me to sail.

Sundays were often spent picnic cruising. A sail, drop the anchor, have a swim and a bite to eat, another swim before sailing home on the afternoon sea breeze. Generally there was always a bunch of my parents friends (most of the guys were dad's crew) along with their kids also. If it was just us and the conditions were right my brother and I would plead with mum and dad to stay out on the yacht for the night and we would make up a dinner of lunch leftovers and fall asleep listening to the sounds of the water lapping on the hull.

Now, one generation later the same cycle is repeating. A bunch of my mates and I sail regularly during the summer, do the twilight races and a few other events during the year. Essentially it is a good excuse for us to catch up with each other now that there are so many competing priorities (wives, children, work commitments). And my wife loves a nice cruisey picnic sail.

Len76 - you are never too old to learn and your enthusiasm is commendable. Like in any sphere of life there are dick heads in the sailing world also but if you are open and friendly you will not have any difficulty finding those that are happy to lend advice and help you on your way. My advice to you - don't bite off more than you can chew at once. Build on your knowledge and skills gradually, be open to advice and ask lots of questions. Hang out at your local yacht club and you will find likeminded people that are willing to share the joy of sailing with you. But above all enjoy yourself because there are days out on the water when all is going well and the yacht is humming along in the groove that are just magical.
HaveFun
HaveFun
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26 Oct 2013 11:48am
There are many a sailor who are fortunate to have grown up sailing dinghies and progressed up to large keel boats with the passing of time and experience. These guys are usually the beter sailors (though not all). However there are also many of us who did not grow up near a suitable body of water nor had parents who sailed. We are the ones who most often have come to sailing much later in life and must learn to sail and gain sufficient practical experience in a more condensed time frame and more mature (well let's admit older and showing signs of wear) body. Hence I recommend an experienced sailing school. Having come from many years in aviation, the cost of sail training is cheap. I would also endorse the opinion of DrRog to choose a school that uses appropriate craft on which to learn the basics. As a flying instructor and aerobatic instructor for quite a number of years, it is important to have training craft that facilitates learning. Not a good idea to learn on a jumbo jet even though that is what a person people may aspite to eventually be doing (I hasten to point out that there have indeed been airlines who have tried this learn on the jumbo approach to fast track their eager youngsters - the results are not a good look) Thus pick a school that has suitable craft that will enable you (and I repeat you and not the group) to learn to competently and confidently sail the boat. The J24s mentioned by DrRog is an excellent training keel boat. Or you can start with dinghies. You will then have a solid basic foundation upon which to progress at your own pace. Not to mention some very experienced mentors you can continue to call upon for advice in the years afterwards.
BobFord
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QLD
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26 Oct 2013 12:11pm
I started off by reading the classics - Hiscock, Slocum, Chichester then studied the multis, which were very poorly regarded in those days !

Finally built a Wharram design and spent a few months with a guy that knew how to sail. Set out from Plymouth UK and after a thrashing in Biscay,arrived Gibraltar as a qualified " old salt".

I believe that the biggest danger is land and other things that get in the way. A sound boat , a fair knowledge and then space to practise set me in good stead. Hope this is of interest to you.
Len76
Len76
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26 Oct 2013 1:20pm
I am reading all of your replies guys. Thanks heaps for sharing them. And also, thanks for the advice. I am paying attention.
LooseChange
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26 Oct 2013 9:53pm
BobFord said..

I believe that the biggest danger is land and other things that get in the way. A sound boat , a fair knowledge and then space to practise set me in good stead. Hope this is of interest to you.


All valid points, but I believe the biggest danger to the new sailor is an overconfidence of their knowledge or abilities, especially when the shyte hits the ventilator.

Too many times people ask what sort of boat they should get to go world cruising without once ever stopping to ask if they themselves are up to the task. More often than not, the boat is way more capable than what the new sailor is.
Len76
Len76
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26 Oct 2013 10:06pm
LooseChange said..

BobFord said..

I believe that the biggest danger is land and other things that get in the way. A sound boat , a fair knowledge and then space to practise set me in good stead. Hope this is of interest to you.


All valid points, but I believe the biggest danger to the new sailor is an overconfidence of their knowledge or abilities, especially when the shyte hits the ventilator.

Too many times people ask what sort of boat they should get to go world cruising without once ever stopping to ask if they themselves are up to the task. More often than not, the boat is way more capable than what the new sailor is.


Yeah, well, yachting is obviously not difficult.

If people around this forum can do it, well anyone can learn (obviously).

I'd pick it up in an hour or two. I'll start giving lessons the next morning.

I mean, how hard can it be? Just set the sail and sit back until I get to Fiji!

Pffft' ..easy!

Ok, now I am trolling, lol (totally joking) - gotchya :D

I sent this email to a yacht sailing instructor place today:


I want to buy a yacht and learn to sail it to Fiji (and back).

*I want to buy some land in Fiji.

I intend to live aboard the yacht in a QLD marina.

I currently live in Victoria (Werribee) and would like to begin the process of getting licences/qualifications/permits etc, so that when I do buy a yacht, I am not utterly clueless - and I can also sail it myself. *Or motor it.

Are you able to help me to get everything I need to get in order to prepare myself for the purchase and sailing of a liveaboard yacht?

If so, what do you recommend I do? And can you help me with licences and stuff? I don't know if I need a motorboat licence or a sailing licence or both, or what the deal is. You are my first contact about this.

I am a total noob with no experience at all. Just a dream :)

If you can help me, great. If not - what do you recommend I do?

So in summery I want to:

1). Learn to sail a yacht
2). Get licensed to sail one
3). Anything that I have not mentioned (but you know I need)

Thanks heaps!


So, I fully intend to learn properly.

I know that you've got to know what you're doing :)

..and I know that the ocean is not something to "mess around" with.

There's a LOT of skeletons at the bottom of the ocean!

You can see their website here:

http://yachtmaster.com.au/sailHome.asp

..and here's a pdf with their courses and prices.

yachtmaster.com.au/pdf/dates-2014.pdf

All their courses can be done for about $10k - I added it all up. I will most likely do them all.

stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
248 posts
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28 Oct 2013 9:19pm
I bought a yacht with zero experience, never even stood on a boat.

Watched how to sail videos on youtube. Sailed over 100kms to home.

Never had a lesson, never had a skippers ticket, didnt even know how to reef my main which would have been handy on my first voyage.

6 months later and over 1000 miles under my belt, day and night sailing, solo, with passengers, offshore with no land in sight and still dont feel i really know what i'm doing.

Guess i have been lucky nothing bad has happened. Comes down to good first boat choice.

Couldn't have done any of this if i had of picked a boat that was too big, to concretey or too old.
Len76
Len76
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208 posts
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29 Oct 2013 12:31am
stonedpirate said..

I bought a yacht with zero experience, never even stood on a boat.

Watched how to sail videos on youtube. Sailed over 100kms to home.

Never had a lesson, never had a skippers ticket, didnt even know how to reef my main which would have been handy on my first voyage.

6 months later and over 1000 miles under my belt, day and night sailing, solo, with passengers, offshore with no land in sight and still dont feel i really know what i'm doing.

Guess i have been lucky nothing bad has happened. Comes down to good first boat choice.

Couldn't have done any of this if i had of picked a boat that was too big, to concretey or too old.


Even though I think you're a d-head, I'll pay you that one.

I cracked up @ "too big, to concretey or too old"
southace
southace
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29 Oct 2013 4:29pm
Oh I missed this thread lucky I found it for some more riveting entertainment!

I was on the tiller in Sydney harbour when I was just 6 months old (photos and a DVD to prove it!).
By the age of 15 I was sailing the gulfs with my ratbag mates on the same keel boat.

Anyway your statement claiming you can learn to sail in a few hours is just outrages I assume your only joking Len?
The ocean is a dangerous place and only experence and focus will get you back to the shore safely.

Sailing overseas you will need high navigation and weather forecasting skills? Do you know what cross track error? Lat and long? High and low pressure systems are? Current flows? Etc? Would you take a map or a chart with you? Omg

After 35 years of sailing and messing round in boats I'm still learning.
cisco
cisco
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29 Oct 2013 9:00pm
southace said..

After 35 years of sailing and messing round in boats I'm still learning.



Yep!! And it seems like the more you know about the sea, the scarier it gets.

Sometimes when you get caught out in a blow you ask yourself, "What the hell am I doing out here?"

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