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Identify this yacht

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Created by Ramona > 9 months ago, 9 Jul 2017
Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
9 Jul 2017 8:22AM
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Anyone recognize this yacht? Probably in Wollongong. 29 feet long and either a Van de Stadt design or inspired by the firm. Owners who are beginners and are looking for assistance to sail this down the coast. I don't want to commit myself or a friend till I have more info.

Ringle
NSW, 138 posts
9 Jul 2017 8:53AM
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European production yacht late 60s early 70's.

I'd hazard a guess that it's a van de stadt design. He did a few boats with that style of window and he did plenty of transom hung rudders at that time.

Have you any more photos?

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
9 Jul 2017 9:11AM
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Ringle said..
European production yacht late 60s early 70's.

I'd hazard a guess that it's a van de stadt design. He did a few boats with that style of window and he did plenty of transom hung rudders at that time.

Have you any more photos?


No other photos. I checked the Van de Stadt catalog and found nothing. The hatchway looks like a Pandora but the boat size has me confused.

Chris 249
NSW, 1641 posts
9 Jul 2017 11:58AM
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"Ghost Rider" rings a bell, but not very loudly. I've looked at her and wondered myself. It does look VDS-ish but I certainly can't place it.

Yara
NSW, 753 posts
9 Jul 2017 12:46PM
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I would worry about the rust stains on ther lower rudder gudgeons. Through-bolts on hull mount need checking.

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
9 Jul 2017 5:53PM
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If I take the job I will do a check on everything. I was curious if anyone recognized the boat. If it's actually a Van de Stadt it will sail fairly well. From what I can gather from text messages the owners have never sailed before and the boat is stopping off in my home port on her way to Melbourne! If it is going to Melbourne I will be suggesting by truck!

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
17 Jul 2017 6:16PM
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This is weird. I went up and had a look at the boat last week and it's a nice little boat. I was messaging on Facebook with the owner a few minutes ago. The boat has to be moved out of Wollongong. The owner is there now. I managed to convince him the best move would be to use a truck to Melbourne. He is having trouble organising the crane etc and this would not be made easy because he is trying to learn English!. I'm thinking the costs involved with the crane and truck are worth more than he thinks the boats worth.

woko
NSW, 302 posts
17 Jul 2017 7:36PM
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This is weird. I went up and had a look at the boat last week and it's a nice little boat. I was messaging on Facebook with the owner a few minutes ago. The boat has to be moved out of Wollongong. The owner is there now. I managed to convince him the best move would be to use a truck to Melbourne. He is having trouble organising the crane etc and this would not be made easy because he is trying to learn English!. I'm thinking the costs involved with the crane and truck are worth more than he thinks the boats worth.


I recon your onto it, I'd have a guess at a couple o grand either end for a crane and probably 3 grand to truck it and hey presto your free boat ain't free no more !

brett221
QLD, 123 posts
17 Jul 2017 10:29PM
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I don't see it being put onto a truck and getting to Melbourne for less than 8k, the cost of getting the boat unrigged, the keel off or a travel cradle made to suite, lift on and off. So realistically a 9 or 10k exercise by the time it is back in the water 550nm to the south. Delivery by sail is about the only option.

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
18 Jul 2017 8:41AM
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The trucks are set up for keel yachts, they are doing this trip all the time. Getting the mast down is an easy job. Trucking is much easier, cheaper and safer than having a sail delivery. I will drive up shortly and have a chat with him and see how it's all going.

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
18 Jul 2017 7:05PM
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Spent a couple of hours on this vessel this morning and he has obviously received a quote for a delivery Brett! Better value than the trucking and crane quotes and I suggested he goes for that. The costs for trucking was very reasonable but the crane hire was proving difficult in Wollongong and then he was worried about the other end.
It's a nice boat. I can remember this boat from years ago, magazine article or something. The new owner met the older gentleman who built her over an 8 year period. Hull and deck look like hand laid woven rovings. Nice interior with a similar layout to a Compass 28, full headroom in the saloon. The hull looks like a stretched J24 with a typical Van de Stadt style cabin. This will sail very well. Standing rigging looks old. Halyards and the furling line are wire! Quality sails, slightly grubby but 8/10. Main has two reefs and there are horns at the mast. Reefing lines somewhere in the cabin. Epirb and a good bilge pump.
The pushpit is broken and the guardrails are damaged. Some boat broke off the moorings and bumped into her. The bottom was reasonably clean with some weed that will be easily cleaned off. I gave him instructions to have a swim as I left and he went into town to buy some swimmers!
This was though an exceptional buy.

brett221
QLD, 123 posts
19 Jul 2017 9:45AM
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When we get to meet I do owe you a lot of beers Ramona! Maybe at a JB regatta.
I got contacted by Arthur thru my Business. I sent him a quote that was understanding of his predicament when I put 2 and 2 together, which he accepted very quickly. Will have to get it done asap (aiming on leaving on the NW change Saturday morning to get to eden in time for the switch back south) as I have another delivery Airlie to Sydney early next month.
I don't think he has the other end fully sorted as yet, have sent a list to check off over the next couple of days.

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
19 Jul 2017 6:18PM
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When we get to meet I do owe you a lot of beers Ramona! Maybe at a JB regatta.
I got contacted by Arthur thru my Business. I sent him a quote that was understanding of his predicament when I put 2 and 2 together, which he accepted very quickly. Will have to get it done asap (aiming on leaving on the NW change Saturday morning to get to eden in time for the switch back south) as I have another delivery Airlie to Sydney early next month.
I don't think he has the other end fully sorted as yet, have sent a list to check off over the next couple of days.



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When we get to meet I do owe you a lot of beers Ramona! Maybe at a JB regatta.
I got contacted by Arthur thru my Business. I sent him a quote that was understanding of his predicament when I put 2 and 2 together, which he accepted very quickly. Will have to get it done asap (aiming on leaving on the NW change Saturday morning to get to eden in time for the switch back south) as I have another delivery Airlie to Sydney early next month.
I don't think he has the other end fully sorted as yet, have sent a list to check off over the next couple of days.



The shrouds are very slack, especially the lowers. Arthur spent the day bolting down the genoa tracks and doing odd jobs. He is a nice bloke but a real novice. He has a hard dinghy too and I'm not sure what he has planned for that. Probably fit on the foredeck.

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
24 Jul 2017 8:07AM
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Brett221 on "CC Rider" departing Wollongong for Melbourne on Saturday. Was not a pleasant day with 4 metre swell off JB. Current is fresh down on the shelf so 2 knots assistance in the right direction. This is Arthur's photo but I'm sure he wont mind me posting it here.




brett221
QLD, 123 posts
24 Jul 2017 12:51PM
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Brett221 on "CC Rider" departing Wollongong for Melbourne on Saturday. Was not a pleasant day with 4 metre swell off JB. Current is fresh down on the shelf so 2 knots assistance in the right direction. This is Arthur's photo but I'm sure he wont mind me posting it here.





She goes relatively well, has a dirty bum but has averaged 4.5 getting down to Montague Island yesterday afternoon.
Unfortunately the exhaust has come up a cropper so some work to do today as I head back towards Batemans Bay then Ulladulla. Did not want to try my luck getting to Eden so going with the safer option.
Discussion with Arthur, has him looking to sell the boat. The dollars he is asking is a great buy.

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
24 Jul 2017 6:34PM
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It was an exceptional buy that's for sure. If Arthur gets an offer similar to what he paid and does some crewing for other people, I'm sure that would be the best outcome.

brett221
QLD, 123 posts
25 Jul 2017 10:56AM
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It was an exceptional buy that's for sure. If Arthur gets an offer similar to what he paid and does some crewing for other people, I'm sure that would be the best outcome.


I agree, and will still be an exceptional buy for the next person, even with the knowledge that the motor is now due for a major overhaul. Unfortunately Arthur started a little too big and was unawares the $ he paid was not the total cost of owning a yacht.

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
25 Jul 2017 6:07PM
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Ramona said..
It was an exceptional buy that's for sure. If Arthur gets an offer similar to what he paid and does some crewing for other people, I'm sure that would be the best outcome.



I agree, and will still be an exceptional buy for the next person, even with the knowledge that the motor is now due for a major overhaul. Unfortunately Arthur started a little too big and was unawares the $ he paid was not the total cost of owning a yacht.


Just chatting to Arthur. He seems particularly keen to keep this boat. Might be staying in Greenwell Point for awhile!

brett221
QLD, 123 posts
26 Jul 2017 2:43PM
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Ramona said..

brett221 said..


Ramona said..
It was an exceptional buy that's for sure. If Arthur gets an offer similar to what he paid and does some crewing for other people, I'm sure that would be the best outcome.




I agree, and will still be an exceptional buy for the next person, even with the knowledge that the motor is now due for a major overhaul. Unfortunately Arthur started a little too big and was unawares the $ he paid was not the total cost of owning a yacht.



Just chatting to Arthur. He seems particularly keen to keep this boat. Might be staying in Greenwell Point for awhile!


He advised that yesterday arvo. Weather is not conducive to getting there in the next 3 days. 2 gents are coming to look at the boat tomorrow from Newcastle with the view to buy it. As it is a 5 hour drive each way I reckon they are just ticking their boxes to confirm their intention to buy. Arthur's indecision and varying sell price may bite him on the bum as this could be his easy out.
Have spent the last 2 days cleaning her up so is nice enough looking now I would find it hard to not just hand over the $.

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
26 Jul 2017 4:59PM
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The new owner rang today looking for a mooring here.

brett221
QLD, 123 posts
27 Jul 2017 1:36PM
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Does not need a total motor replacement, just manifold/exhaust done and alternator.
The owner has put a fair amout of negotiating room in the $7500.
Had the motor running this morning doing checks before moving it to Greenwal Point tomorrow (unless plans are changed again).

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
27 Jul 2017 5:33PM
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Yes I'm having trouble keeping up with the change of plans! The price on Gumtree at the moment is 6,500. I must admit to suggesting this amount when asked what I thought it was worth. I can supply an identical engine and gearbox for $500 if anyone is interested. Manual start and no alternator.

southace
QLD, 3821 posts
27 Jul 2017 8:33PM
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I get the impression you guys are dealing with a back packer that had big plans but now has shifted the plans elsewhere.

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
28 Jul 2017 8:34AM
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I get the impression you guys are dealing with a back packer that had big plans but now has shifted the plans elsewhere.


Young Brazilian bloke who has not been in Australia that long. Not to good at English but really likes this boat!

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
29 Jul 2017 6:40PM
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The owner securing this Van de Stadt to a local mooring this afternoon. Still dead keen to get her to Melbourne!



Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
1 Aug 2017 8:52AM
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The owner has gone home to Melbourne and obviously has had some discussions with his wife going by the changes in the Gumtree ad.

www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/wollongong/sail-boats/yacht-29-ft-swap-or-sell-asap/1154122273

sydchris
NSW, 159 posts
7 Aug 2017 6:31AM
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Also advertised here: www.ebay.com.au/itm/yacht-29-ft-swap-or-sell-asap/272792146476

twodogs1969
NSW, 818 posts
7 Aug 2017 7:01AM
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It will be on the market for a long time at that price. The Adams 31 is twice the boat at 16000

Ramona
NSW, 4531 posts
7 Aug 2017 7:52AM
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I can assure you he really wants to keep this boat. Probably like a lot of boats on the market it has an asking price way too high. "Yes dear I'm trying to sell this boat, look here see the ad"!



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