Insulating a steel yacht

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eljayw
eljayw
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12 Mar 2013 2:41pm
Anyone got any tips or info on insulating a steel yacht? I've been told to use spray-on foam, not to use spray-on... use eps foam... use xps foam... etc. Also been told there's nothing you can do to stop condensation and insulating will only retain and hold the moisture and rust you from the inside out. Help me please!!
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
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12 Mar 2013 3:29pm
Sell the the steel yacht and buy a foam sandwich yacht - perhaps .
slammin
slammin
QLD
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QLD, 998 posts
12 Mar 2013 5:55pm
With a steel yacht you want access to all areas and I mean every square inch, so spraying something on is a huge no no in my books.

By posting that you consider that you may spray something over the steel kinda has me very concerned that you haven't checked every square inch of your hull inside and out. There is many nightmare stories of new owners who bought a steel hull held together and floating thanks just to paint.

www.thecoastalpassage.com/rust.html
eljayw
eljayw
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12 Mar 2013 5:04pm
Thanks dinsdale... you're not the first to suggest that!!

slammin... I'm not keen on spraying the hull with foam at all. One idea I had was getting hold of some air cell insulation (that's sandwiched between aluminium, with one side being sticky) and sticking that to the inside of the hull. But I don't think that's going to solve any condensation issue, only make it worse by keeping any moisture between the steel hull and the insulation. Or is it? Maybe if any condensation occurs it would be within the air cell part of the insulation, would be away from the steel hull and would dry with some light air flow.

The hull is in really good shape (only 14 years old), just a couple of light spots that need a scrub with a wire brush then some etch primer. I just want to ensure that everything is ok, looking for peace of mind to know she'll be right. (And yes, I've read the coastal passage article before and I'm nowhere near that type of problem thank goodness!!)
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
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12 Mar 2013 8:45pm
yeah id tend to stay away from the foam idea. better off to build it into the joinery work. is it for noise or temp or both? mind you mine was a solid grp floaty thing, not a huge fan of foam sandwich.
slammin
slammin
QLD
998 posts
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12 Mar 2013 8:02pm
eljayw said...
Thanks dinsdale... you're not the first to suggest that!!

slammin... I'm not keen on spraying the hull with foam at all. One idea I had was getting hold of some air cell insulation (that's sandwiched between aluminium, with one side being sticky) and sticking that to the inside of the hull. But I don't think that's going to solve any condensation issue, only make it worse by keeping any moisture between the steel hull and the insulation. Or is it? Maybe if any condensation occurs it would be within the air cell part of the insulation, would be away from the steel hull and would dry with some light air flow.

The hull is in really good shape (only 14 years old), just a couple of light spots that need a scrub with a wire brush then some etch primer. I just want to ensure that everything is ok, looking for peace of mind to know she'll be right. (And yes, I've read the coastal passage article before and I'm nowhere near that type of problem thank goodness!!)


Just thinking about that article gives me the heebee"s. As the article notes make sure absolutely everywhere is accessible.

Back on topic, and the condensation. I would consider how much more effective a fan would be than a coating of anything. I assume if it's steel then you have size and power on your side? If not maybe a few 12v computer fans to get the air moving out of the boat.

I have heard of anti-condensate paints, but have never used them. Apparently the Ultimate 18 (trailer sailer) had the stuff and it had a rubbery feel and is very effective.

On a lateral note my boat is fibreglass and has a carpet headliner, which is glued on. I don't know your design/interior but maybe you could attach it in a way that it is somewhat easily removable?

Out of the 3 I bet the fan is easiest!
patrigo28
patrigo28
35 posts
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29 Mar 2013 8:17pm
I have just come across this post on insulating a steel yacht. To eliminate condensation!? I have a steel yacht and I do not know what condensation is. People paint steel yachts white to make them cooler--and make condensation! Paint your hull a dark colour and condensation occurs as often as the sun rises in the West. The laws of physics relating to surface temperature, heat conduction, humidity etc. make condensation a non event.
cisco
cisco
QLD
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30 Mar 2013 1:13am
I am not sure the dark colour option is such a good idea.

Knew a bloke that painted his fibreglass hull black and all his lockers were like ovens.

Good ventilation has to be the best solution. Some people glue carpet to the inside which seems to work. Spray foam has to be the worst solution.
patrigo28
patrigo28
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35 posts
30 Mar 2013 8:43pm
My lockers are not noticeably hot because they are adequately ventilated. Carpet is not a solution, giving similar problems to foam. Ventilation is not a solution, it is an attempt to lessen the problem. A steel hull, painted a dark colour (it can be a long way lighter than black) absorbs heat, is always, therefore, at a higher temp than the surrounding air and being a good conductor the inside surface is the same temp. Condensation cannot happen. Any other "solution" is trying to alter the laws which make the world go round. End of story.
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2575 posts
NSW, 2575 posts
31 Mar 2013 12:07am
how does a dark hull go in the tropics?
cisco
cisco
QLD
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31 Mar 2013 12:47am
patrigo28 said...
My lockers are not noticeably hot because they are adequately ventilated. Carpet is not a solution, giving similar problems to foam. Ventilation is not a solution, it is an attempt to lessen the problem. A steel hull, painted a dark colour (it can be a long way lighter than black) absorbs heat, is always, therefore, at a higher temp than the surrounding air and being a good conductor the inside surface is the same temp. Condensation cannot happen. Any other "solution" is trying to alter the laws which make the world go round. End of story.


I hear what you are saying and I also have a steel yacht soon to be recommissioned after flood damage in Maryborough.

Would you mind posting a few pics of your yacht??
patrigo28
patrigo28
35 posts
35 posts
1 Apr 2013 8:46pm
Yes, a dark painted steel hull is hotter than a white paint job but my hull is 27yrs old and in very good condition. If you want the advantages of steel-and they are many-it is a personal choice to have or not have interior condensation.
I will post some photos but it will take a day or two to organise.How bad was your damage Cisco? The last couple of years I have been horrified by the carnage up and down the coast.
southace
southace
SA
4803 posts
SA, 4803 posts
1 Apr 2013 11:29pm
Best solution is to fit aircon and genset!
FreeRadical
FreeRadical
WA
855 posts
WA, 855 posts
2 Apr 2013 7:40am
I run a Delonghi Dehumidifier and it is amazing the amount of moisture the thing can draw from the air.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
2 Apr 2013 10:10am
patrigo28 said...
How bad was your damage Cisco? The last couple of years I have been horrified by the carnage up and down the coast.


It has been sitting in a cradle for some years waiting for me to fix her up. The prop shaft is out and there are holes in the bow plates so she just filled up with flood water which drained out and left her with a ton of mud inside. She did not move though.

Other boat in the yard floated out of their cradles, bumped into buildings, lay on their side when the water receded and suffered damage to their rigs fouling in trees etc.

Nothing in comparison to what happened here in Bundaberg though.

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