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Donk107
Donk107
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8 Aug 2016 9:47pm
Hi all

I have just received a email from Trident Insurance saying that due to a change in their underwriting guidelines they will not renew the insurance on my boat when it expires in September

This is their wording in the email

"To be more specific, this decision is due to the combination of the age of your vessel and the storage method, which now falls outside our underwriting guidelines."

It was built in 1983 and is on a swing mooring

Does anyone know what this is about and any recommendation for a alternate insurance company who will insurance a boat on a swing mooring

Regards Don
frant
frant
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8 Aug 2016 9:52pm
Unfortunately it appears like a 25 year or older craft on a swing mooring falls outside of their guidelines. An insurance survey might be required for any underwriter from here but swing mooring might be a real problem.

lydia
lydia
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8 Aug 2016 7:58pm
Don, a whole lot of Tasmanians are in for a shock.
It will be the swing mooring.
But then you overlook the mooring from the house don't you.
Nautlius cover me when the boat is on the mooring and I am in the house but otherwise it is off to the marina.
I suspect this a response nationally to the storms in Sydney last March where about 300 boats went up on the beaches.
Donk107
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8 Aug 2016 10:02pm
Hi Frant

It actually has happened at not a bad time because my current policy expires on the 11th of September and i have a booking to slip her on the 9th of September so if i need to get a survey carried out for another insurance company (assuming i can find one that will insure her) she will be already up

I will call them tomorrow and see what the story is

Regards Don
Donk107
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8 Aug 2016 10:19pm
lydia said..
Don, a whole lot of Tasmanians are in for a shock.
It will be the swing mooring.
But then you overlook the mooring from the house don't you.
Nautlius cover me when the boat is on the mooring and I am in the house but otherwise it is off to the marina.
I suspect this a response nationally to the storms in Sydney last March where about 300 boats went up on the beaches.



Hi Lydia

Yes i suspect it will be the mooring as i believe some other company's have the same rules

The thing that annoys me is that the mooring is lifted and inspected each year and we look out on our boat (and the others in the bay) and a few other sailors with boats in the bay do as well so if anything looks suspect (in the daytime at least) someone will normally see it and either go out to it or let the owner know

I had a guy do some work on mine one day while i was at work and i got a phone call at work from one of the locals saying that someone was on my boat and i told him it was ok as i had arranged it

I then got a call from the guy working on my boat saying he was there (i told him i already knew as i had received a phone call) and he said that the person who's boat is moored next to mine (a different person to the one that called me) had asked him what was he doing on mine as well so it is a pretty good place to live

I think the risk on the swing mooring is probably less than if it was in the marina with people able to walk on to the boat and the risk of someone running into it while berthing or me hitting someone else while coming or going and the Marina in Devonport didn't fare to well in the recent floods when it broke away taking the boats with it

Trident had a $1500 excess if it was damaged while on the mooring which i was prepared to pay but it looks like now i will need to find another insurer

Regards Don
twodogs1969
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8 Aug 2016 10:19pm
Club marine
Donk107
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8 Aug 2016 10:28pm
twodogs1969 said..
Club marine




Thanks twodogs

I will give them a call tomorrow

Regards Don
shaggybaxter
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8 Aug 2016 11:32pm
Club Marine sent me the exact same letter two years ago. And I had a pen. When I rang them to query the decision, I even offered to accept a higher premium just to gauge reaction. They refused, and said it was policy due to the age of the boat and it was no longer viable for them.
I swapped to Nautilus, and continue to do so with the new boat
Donk107
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8 Aug 2016 11:49pm
shaggybaxter said..
Club Marine sent me the exact same letter two years ago. And I had a pen. When I rang them to query the decision, I even offered to accept a higher premium just to gauge reaction. They refused, and said it was policy due to the age of the boat and it was no longer viable for them.
I swapped to Nautilus, and continue to do so with the new boat


Hi Shaggy

It is disappointing that they can just make a decision based on the age of the boat

I would imagine that most people who have older boats and sail them often would maintain them to a safe standard

If it is a age issue you would think that they would ask for a survey to be carried out to ascertain the condition of the boat

Did they explain to you why it was no longer viable for them to insure the boat based on the age ?

Regards Don
shaggybaxter
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9 Aug 2016 5:03am
Hi Don,
They did explain that it was not a personal issue, which was good as I'd never had a claim, but more of a decision based on criteria, and wouldn't elaborate further. Got the distinct impression that it was commercial, that the age, size and value was not worth it.
I told Nautilus this was the reason I was seeking a new cover when I rang them, as I was worried there was some black mark on Sonatas, but no, they had no issues at all, they asked for a copy of the letter as they had an increase in new calls all of a sudden and didn't know why.
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
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9 Aug 2016 6:29am
Im with club marine 1986 boat had to have it surveyed for first year. Rig has to be under I think 10 years. My boat is on a swing mooring and they have not even asked for a mooring survey. Nautilus would not insure swing mooring. Peatunis (spelt wrong ) will cover as I looked at changing they required both mooring and vessel survey. In a previous thread I think some are using Youi.
EC31
EC31
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9 Aug 2016 6:47am

I had the same issue with GIO 2 years ago. Even though they had a copy of a recent survey, it appeared it was the swing mooring that was the problem. Moved to Club Marine with a fresh survey and no problems. But I was already a customer with my sailing dinghy, so not sure if that helped.

My policy has racing cover and the boat is used most weeks, but I doubt they check on things like that. She turned 40 this year, so age of the boat is unlikely to be your problem. Club Marine have a policy that minimum insurance is $1000 a foot.

The rigging was replaced last week, so hopefully that will keep them happy for another 10 years.

One of the boat owners near me has started a group with all the contact details of the boats around us. I don't live near my boat, but he lives just up the hill and has a good view of us all.
Guitz
Guitz
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9 Aug 2016 9:24am
I'm insured with RACV, so I suppose RACT would be worth a quote as well?
Roama
Roama
TAS
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9 Aug 2016 10:39am
Hi Don I have always had our Wooden yachts insured with Tudor insurance. Can not speak highly enough of there service. David Cooper is contact there.
Cheers
Adam
Trek
Trek
NSW
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9 Aug 2016 10:51am


Clubmarine told me they wouldnt insure my 35ft Martzcraft anymore after they had for years unless it had a survey. No phone calls to check details just a computerized fob off.

What a pathetic way of showing loyalty to its customer base.

That caused me to ask around and I went to YOUI. Re-insured it in 5 minutes on the phone and CHEAPER.

Any claim that Clubmarine make to look after the boating community is rubbish!!
zilla
zilla
145 posts
145 posts
9 Aug 2016 9:16am
Yes donk107 you have my sympathies. I used Trident for years (and never made a claim) but discovered they were extremely shonky. I strongly recommend that anyone currently using Trident look immediately elsewhere for their insurance needs and then terminate their insurance with Trident asap. My yacht gets stored in a marina so I'm afraid I cannot help out with swing mooring issues.
UncleBob
UncleBob
NSW
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9 Aug 2016 1:09pm
Trek said..


Clubmarine told me they wouldnt insure my 35ft Martzcraft anymore after they had for years unless it had a survey. No phone calls to check details just a computerized fob off.

What a pathetic way of showing loyalty to its customer base.

That caused me to ask around and I went to YOUI. Re-insured it in 5 minutes on the phone and CHEAPER.

Any claim that Clubmarine make to look after the boating community is rubbish!!


Hi, can't agree more strongly, club marine insured a boat that dragged its mooring in a storm damaging my boat, I managed to get the other vessel unhooked from the bow of mine but couldn't hold it so made numerous calls to maritime and police who rescued it just before it hit the wharf or seawall at sans souci .
Other party claimed on their club marine policy and so did I claim against them for the damage done to my boat.
The response was, not allowed because of the policy wording, regardless of any efforts made by me to mitigate further damage increasing their liability.
To add insult they then referred me to someone else, a phone that was never answered and messages never responded to.
The end result, suck it up sunshine, fix your own problem.
Clubmarine ? NEVER!!!
MichaelR
MichaelR
NSW
862 posts
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9 Aug 2016 1:58pm
I have our Top Hat insured with NRMA. When we took out the policy they wanted an in-water survey only. It includes rigging, and public liability, but not racing. So far the policy is competitive, but I'm not totally certain they'll be any better at honoring claims than any other insurer.

In the end, it is a gambling game for them. They'll all take your policy money for as long as the odds stack in their favour. As soon as there's a few claims on older boats dragging moorings, they'll clamp down on them.

retired
retired
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9 Aug 2016 4:11pm
Try Youi, so far haven't required a survey on older yachts, premiums ok as well.
Donk107
Donk107
TAS
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9 Aug 2016 10:23pm
Hi all

Thanks for all the feedback

Called Trident today and they confirmed that they would no longer insure her

I then called a local insurance broker, explained the situation and within a couple of hours they came back to me with a quote from QBE

The broker said that a new survey was not required for the policy (i have asked him to double check on this because i have already spoken to a surveyor as i assumed whoever i insured with would require one and i am going to slip her anyway) and coverage for Yacht Club social races up to a 25nm course using a spinnaker so for the couple of races a year around the bay i do on her that will cover me

Looks like it is all sorted

Regards Don
HG02
HG02
VIC
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9 Aug 2016 10:59pm
you can do your insurance with or with out rigging and masts also perhaps your old insurance company may have done this
Probably knew that any way
Donk107
Donk107
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9 Aug 2016 11:14pm
HG02 said..
you can do your insurance with or with out rigging and masts also perhaps your old insurance company may have done this
Probably knew that any way


Hi HG

When i bought her 3 years ago i had a rigger do a inspection and submitted that to the insurance company but i am not 100% sure if it was covered or not

He didn't find any obvious problems at the time but i am not sure when it was last replaced

Everything on it seems fairly beefy compared to other similar length boats i see locally so hopefully the mast will not fall over at ant time in the future

Regards Don
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