Is it OK to clip to rail lines when off-shore?

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Wollemi
Wollemi
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10 Jun 2022 6:52am
In my experience of offshore yachting, I have only seen crew clip into jacklines, always set at deck level. Is it OK to clip into rail lines?



2bish
2bish
TAS
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10 Jun 2022 7:41am
Hi Wollemi, good question, I don't think it's good practice, but better to be clipped somewhere than nowhere if you have to do so quickly I guess. In the pic there are plenty of bomber attachment points in the toe rail cutouts, I'd be clipping into them. I'll look forward to seeing the responses.
Ramona
Ramona
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7758 posts
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10 Jun 2022 8:57am
I think not! I make a point to not even touch the life lines while walking forward if I can. Life lines are there for one reason only. I had 20 years in the navy and if you happened to rest your hand on a life line you could expect a quick kick up the arse and a lecture!
Ideally click on to something central so that if you fall the harness stops you actually going over the side at all.
Poodle
Poodle
WA
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WA, 868 posts
10 Jun 2022 10:15am
What Ramona said. Don't clip onto lifelines. Use hard points or properly installed jack lines.
shaggybaxter
shaggybaxter
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QLD, 2682 posts
10 Jun 2022 12:43pm
No. I watched a kite sheet that was run under a lifeline take out a foredecky that had stupidly clipped on to the lifeline. Cost me a couple of bent stanchions..grrrr.
Kankama
Kankama
NSW
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10 Jun 2022 12:43pm
Clipping onto life lines I silly. It takes a couple of minutes to rig jacklines before you head out. Ramona, what was the reason you weren't allowed to tough the lifelines? I sometimes do this when going forward on a mono.

cheers Phil
lydia
lydia
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10 Jun 2022 12:47pm
Wollemi said..
In my experience of offshore yachting, I have only seen crew clip into jacklines, always set at deck level. Is it OK to clip into rail lines?






Looks like he is only wearing a climbing harness and the carabiners are not proper boat harness gear.
Darwin at work!

Bizarre photo actually, not a real race boat (anchor winch and furler, toe rail) yet wearing a climbing harness.
sure the bowman wears a climbing harness for going up the rig or to pole end but that is not a safety thing.
Go over the side with a climbing harness you most likely to get dragged upside down and backwards.
tarquin1
tarquin1
954 posts
954 posts
10 Jun 2022 1:25pm
As others have said,no. Jacklines and proper fixed points at work stations. Clipping onto a lifeline allows you to fall further overboard. The stanchions are not designed for this and will bend.
As Lydia says it's not a proper clip. It will fail the twist test and unclip or bend.
And as Shaggy says always check your sheets are outside when you clip on. That's why if you clip onto a jackline aft you can't get the wrong side of a sheet. Well it's more difficult!
I've been caught the wrong side of a sheet and it's not fun. Luckily there were a few of us and it was enough weight to not get thrown. We all had a pretty big discussion on how to never let that happen again after.
Wollemi
Wollemi
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10 Jun 2022 4:04pm
lydia said..

Wollemi said..
In my experience of offshore yachting, I have only seen crew clip into jacklines, always set at deck level. Is it OK to clip into rail lines?






Looks like he is only wearing a climbing harness and the carabiners are not proper boat harness gear.
Darwin at work!


I found the image on a well-known professional climber / mountaineering cinematographer / photographer-artist fb page.
tarquin1
tarquin1
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954 posts
10 Jun 2022 2:23pm
I was going to say it looks like a pic for someone's Instagram account.
Rock climber explains the fingertips.
Ramona
Ramona
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10 Jun 2022 5:35pm
Kankama said..
Clipping onto life lines I silly. It takes a couple of minutes to rig jacklines before you head out. Ramona, what was the reason you weren't allowed to tough the lifelines? I sometimes do this when going forward on a mono.

cheers Phil


The lifelines on warships are there to stop people going over the side. If the gawkers don't lean on them they will stay in immaculate condition and actually work if needed.
MorningBird
MorningBird
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11 Jun 2022 2:34pm
Ramona said..

Kankama said..
Clipping onto life lines I silly. It takes a couple of minutes to rig jacklines before you head out. Ramona, what was the reason you weren't allowed to tough the lifelines? I sometimes do this when going forward on a mono.

cheers Phil



The lifelines on warships are there to stop people going over the side. If the gawkers don't lean on them they will stay in immaculate condition and actually work if needed.


I expect many of us got a bollocking from the buffer for leaning on life lines. I learnt my lesson.
Sound jacklines and a strong point to clip on when leaving the cabin for the cockpit.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
12 Jun 2022 2:04pm
Life lines are a contentious subject. They are LIFE lines, i.e. there to save your life, not to hang other things on.
I believe the correct way to set them up and the way I do it is to shackle the bow ends to the pulpit as in this pic,





then at the stern end secure them with pelican beaks as in pic below with a turn or two of duct tape over the sliding collar to prevent accidental release or with lashing line threaded through the eyes 3 or 4 times and tied off. This allows the life lines to be dropped quickly in the event of lifting a man back on board.

Before casting off all persons on board must be advised not to lean on the life lines as they may let go unexpectedly giving the offender a sudden dip in the ocean or at the very least invoke the wrath of the master upon themselves.




Note also the securement of the life buoy with slip knots on the lashings to allow rapid deployment. The mesh bag next to it contains a small drogue and bag of sea dye. Note also you can see the yellow dan bouy strobe light just below the life buoy.

Detailitus some might say but all designed to save life.




The life buoy on this side should have a 20m coil of floating line attached but I hadn't quite figured that one out at the time.
tarquin1
tarquin1
954 posts
954 posts
12 Jun 2022 2:17pm
Yes small details but those seconds may save someone's life.
I have said it before on here the RORC safety for Cat 1 is worth a read. Some of it is over kill but explains a lot of these things.
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