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Windjana
Windjana
WA
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WA, 405 posts
25 Aug 2015 6:25pm
Hey guys,

Can anyone recommend a good brand of marine binoculars?
I'm looking for some with a built in compass.

Cheers!
CoolRunnings
CoolRunnings
NSW
159 posts
NSW, 159 posts
25 Aug 2015 10:28pm

Well I guess it also depends on how much you would like to spend.

The premium brand going back when I was on sailing ships were the German made Steiner. These were very much a military style binocular with the compass mounted on the top (right hand side, I think).

They were highly regarded at the time as being the benchmark, in terms of the focal capability and also that of the compass needle accuracy.
Probably not the weapon of choice however on a steel vessel,particularly if you want to rely on the compass for a proper bearing.

I have noticed plenty of watch keeping crew on merchant ships use them on the bridge, obviously minus the compass part.

It would be interesting to know if there are any other options out there in this regard.

My binoculars are Swarovski 7 by 42 purchased in '86 for $385.00 and still going good, albeit with somewhat scratched up lenses now!

Twohull
Twohull
QLD
149 posts
QLD, 149 posts
25 Aug 2015 11:23pm
NowandZen said..
Hey guys,

Can anyone recommend a good brand of marine binoculars?
I'm looking for some with a built in compass.

Cheers!


Hi , I do have ~ $200 beenies with compas, to acheeve correct compass reading I do have to "look up and down mowement" for the commpass card to move freely. With friend who got sighting "sylvia" it is spot on. Some of "compass" items on e-bay are for North part of the world and disc/card will "rub on the edges". Maby I do have one of them, but up and down movement give time for card to "pickup magnetic correctly". Im not denaying that perfect tool to do the job is waste of money, no. Quality is proportional to the price, and we known what level of compromise we can afford.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
25 Aug 2015 11:52pm

The generally accepted spec for marine use binoculars is either 7X50 or 8X40 if you want compactness.

The benefit of having an inbuilt compass in the binoculars is very debatable. To get the benefit of it you must train your eyes to focus differently. With the compass in the right side of the binos, your right eye must focus on the compass reading while your left eye must focus on the land mark and then your brain must superimpose the images over each other to give an accurate bearing.

So if you are considering a pair of such expensive binoculars, I assume you know how to apply the reading to your chart. If you don't, you are putting the cart before the horse.

Manitulak mentioned his friend's Silva compass of which I have one similar being a Suunto. These little compasses are capable (if used correctly with the different eye focus method) of giving very accurate bearings.

I have used mine to get a three bearing fix which I compared to my GPS fix and they concurred. So whether the compass was confirming the accuracy of the GPS or the opposite, who is to say.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
26 Aug 2015 8:31am
Binoculars are pretty hard to use at sea on a small boat because you don't always get the chance to use two hands. I had two damaged binoculars. I dissembled them and made 4 monoculars. Two have adjustable focus and two have shims to fix focus. One I have on the yacht and two are in my cars and one at home. At sea I hold them one handed with the prism section pushed firmly against my cheek and this keeps the monocular steady. Half a 7 x 50 is ideal at sea.
Jode5
Jode5
QLD
853 posts
QLD, 853 posts
26 Aug 2015 3:37pm
Buy as set of "Steiner's" 7x50. A bit expensive, but you will never have to buy another set. You will be amazed how clear they are. I have had my Steiner "Skipper" Binoculars for 15 years and are still a clear as the day I bought them. Myne do not have a compass in them, but you can get them with a compass. I rather use a separate hand bearing compass.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
1531 posts
NSW, 1531 posts
26 Aug 2015 6:33pm
You definitely get what you paid for here.

I use a tasco 8 x 21 and a steiner commander 7 x 50 race edition with compass. The tasco is light, easy to use when the conditions are clear and sunny. Otherwise it is useless.
During the years l was going through a plethora of binoculars, none as good as the steiner. Bushnell, leupold, nikko, tasco and few chinese nonames amongst them.

The steiner on the other hand is heavy, you have to get used to it, but! When you need clarity in the twilight or at night, there is no comparison. The compass is clear, spot on, lit by red illumination - so it does not ruin your night vision - and is remarkably clear and easy to use. The lenses are world class as it is expected. The weight of it is eventually helping, to hold it steady, and once you familiar with it you never look back.

A year ago I had some issues with the illumination of the compass which did not improve after changing the battery.
After contacting beretta, the reps of steiner in oz, l sent the thing back to them under warranty - which is 30 years plus - and in a few days l received a brand new steiner. I could not fault that, could l?

So all thumbs up for steiner, l am glad l got one.

As a very happy user, l can highly recommend it to any serious mariner.

Datawiz
Datawiz
VIC
605 posts
VIC, 605 posts
26 Aug 2015 9:48pm
Hi all,
This topic is interesting, but I confess most of the time I've never had much success using my binoculars (an old but high quality pair of Zuess).
The're ok if it's calm but in any sort of swell, it's almost impossible to observe any detail on a target such as a ship's name, the number of people on a yacht, etc - there's just too much movement.
If anyone has any suggestions how to overcome this problem, let's hear it.
Regards to all,
Allan
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
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26 Aug 2015 9:58pm
Jode5 said..
Buy as set of "Steiner's" 7x50. A bit expensive, but you will never have to buy another set. You will be amazed how clear they are. I have had my Steiner "Skipper" Binoculars for 15 years and are still a clear as the day I bought them. Myne do not have a compass in them, but you can get them with a compass. I rather use a separate hand bearing compass.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Steiner-Rallye-7x50-Binocular-/321837562444
www.ebay.com/itm/Steiner-Military-Marine-7x50-Binoculars-/301715234265
www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Steiner-Pilot-Bionoculars-7x50-Military-Marine-West-Germany-/111750710171
www.ebay.com/itm/Steiner-Military-Marine-7X50-Binocular-Made-in-W-Germany-/291544596400
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
26 Aug 2015 11:22pm
Datawiz said..
Hi all,
This topic is interesting, but I confess most of the time I've never had much success using my binoculars (an old but high quality pair of Zuess).
The're ok if it's calm but in any sort of swell, it's almost impossible to observe any detail on a target such as a ship's name, the number of people on a yacht, etc - there's just too much movement.
If anyone has any suggestions how to overcome this problem, let's hear it.
Regards to all,
Allan


There is only one solution to that problem and it is the same as the solution to sea sickness. You have to stand under a tree.

BInoculars are problematic in that you have an adjustment on one side to balance the focus between your two eyes and then you have the dual adjustment for focus on the distance you are looking.

Then somebody else on the boat picks up your adjusted binoculars and re-adjusts them to their eye sight. That annoys the hell out of me!!

I like Ramona's idea of making two MONoculars from a pair of BInoculars. If you can get the information you want through one eye, do you need to confirm it through the other eye if you still have it. Bit of Pirate talk here.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
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27 Aug 2015 8:52am
Jamming the prism against your cheek while you look through the eye piece is about the only way at sea. If you are standing in the cockpit and holding on with your other hand you will be fairly stable. Use your other eye to look in the right spot.
DrRog
DrRog
NSW
608 posts
NSW, 608 posts
27 Aug 2015 9:14am
Of course I've eye'd off the Steiners before but cannot justify them. I picked up a pair of used fixed 7x50's one day at a market stall. So simply and easy to use, the only problem being I couldn't use them to view close up things like the top of the mast.

I bought an adjustable waterproof monocular online which was great but some great lug broke it and I never got around to sending it back. After buying a pair of waterproof 7x50's with adjustable focus and a separate adjustable eye I'm certain this is not the way to go. The differential eye focus changes depending on the distance you're focusing on, meaning each time I pick the buggers up I have to focus twice. Then they're heavy to use one handed. I'll keep them for the car.

I'd go back to the market stall pair but they took a tumble below and one side broke. So now I'll take Ramona's advice and dismantle them to get a fixed monocular. I love the thought of a delux pair with compass (and respect sirgallivant's experience as a user) but monocular's just make too much sense to me for my uses, all things considered.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
1531 posts
NSW, 1531 posts
27 Aug 2015 11:45am
Well, the differences between military or field use and marine use are enormous.

This ones come with very large magnification 10x - 20x with large lenses 65-80mm - and are very heavy, indeed. Those binoculars are used by gunners are only for field use where weight does not matter and are usually mounted on a tripod.

The marine binocular, whoever is for (2)hand held use and as such the magnification must be limited to 7x or 8x as anything larger is impossible to hold steady. Besides, the human eye is only able to utilise the brightness of 7 or so. Binoculars with 50mm lens and 7x magnification have the closest brightness (50:7=7.14) and so anything above that, is an overkill.

Certainly - a high quality, expensive marine binocular is n o t for to be held in one hand or for looking at your mast head or to read the name of the boat's name a mile away, but to identify landmarks, look for unlit or badly illuminated objects in the direction you are heading at night and so. It's weight helps to hold it steady and the focus does not have to be adjusted constantly. For playing around, an 8x21 binocular, which is easy to hold in one hand, is more than enough.
As for someone else picking up the skippers binocular and play with it, l have nothing to say.

The full rubber armour, the marked adjustable setting of the ocular, the adjustable focus with huuuge dept of field, the quality and clarity of the lenses the proven 30+ year warranty beside the pleasant feeling holding it are features which are not easily appreciated by the budget conscious buyer.
My grand father's first WW Leica binocular is a prime example. It is still the same as it was more than hundred years ago.
I rest my case, Your Honour, in defence of quality against price.

Pauca sed bona!

Windjana
Windjana
WA
405 posts
WA, 405 posts
27 Aug 2015 10:40am
Thanks for all your input guys!
southace
southace
SA
4803 posts
SA, 4803 posts
27 Aug 2015 2:10pm
I treated myself to a pair of Steiner Marine binoculars about 10 years ago.

They are auto focusing , you just focus with your eyes, they have adjustments for prescriptions so you can adjust either eye - or +.

The prisems float in nitrogen and look great when you go through x-Ray machines at airports.

i paid about $1750 from whitworths and figured they will last my lifetime.

The only problem I have is the rubber housing is disingrating after outboard fuel somehow came in contact. Apparently this can't be replaced....its what's inside that counts!

i would recommend this binoculars to anyone in the market.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Steiner-Military-Marine-7x50-Binoculars/261974690670?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29980%26meid%3D0d382e03658c4ddf8b6c2ea35b72b161%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291544596400

Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
27 Aug 2015 6:32pm
sirgallivant said..
Well, the differences between military or field use and marine use are enormous.

This ones come with very large magnification 10x - 20x with large lenses 65-80mm - and are very heavy, indeed. Those binoculars are used by gunners are only for field use where weight does not matter and are usually mounted on a tripod.

The marine binocular, whoever is for (2)hand held use and as such the magnification must be limited to 7x or 8x as anything larger is impossible to hold steady. Besides, the human eye is only able to utilise the brightness of 7 or so. Binoculars with 50mm lens and 7x magnification have the closest brightness (50:7=7.14) and so anything above that, is an overkill.

Certainly - a high quality, expensive marine binocular is n o t for to be held in one hand or for looking at your mast head or to read the name of the boat's name a mile away, but to identify landmarks, look for unlit or badly illuminated objects in the direction you are heading at night and so. It's weight helps to hold it steady and the focus does not have to be adjusted constantly. For playing around, an 8x21 binocular, which is easy to hold in one hand, is more than enough.
As for someone else picking up the skippers binocular and play with it, l have nothing to say.

The full rubber armour, the marked adjustable setting of the ocular, the adjustable focus with huuuge dept of field, the quality and clarity of the lenses the proven 30+ year warranty beside the pleasant feeling holding it are features which are not easily appreciated by the budget conscious buyer.
My grand father's first WW Leica binocular is a prime example. It is still the same as it was more than hundred years ago.
I rest my case, Your Honour, in defence of quality against price.

Pauca sed bona!



No. The binocular/monocular is to recognise that sail on the horizon so you have some idea who your racing against! Two sailing boats in the same bit of water are always racing
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
1531 posts
NSW, 1531 posts
27 Aug 2015 9:30pm
Well, l beg to differ...

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