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HG02
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9 Aug 2015 8:24am
Ill have to start sourcing a few mast bits and pieces shortly looking for recommendations for a good quality mast nav and anchor light
in Led
frant
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9 Aug 2015 9:11am
Are you looking for a TriColour conbined with anchor light? Hella were recommended to me in the states and I can pass on that recommendation. When the tricolour is operated with anchor light simultaneously becomes a strobe light.
If fitting a tricolour you will of course need a steaming light approx half way up your mast and deck level running lights for those occasions when you are steaming or steaming under sail.
LED Nav lights are a big initial outlay but do significantly reduce battery loads, important under sail at night.
slammin
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9 Aug 2015 10:33am
FWIW I replaced my steaming light last year with an LED and before I installed it I completely dismantled it and painted the whole circuit board with liquid electrical tape. Easy peace of mind.
Crusoe
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9 Aug 2015 2:51pm
I was anchored up near the mouth of Pancake Creek (Qld) and another boat owner had a flashing anchor light. It looked just like the navigation light mounted on the rocks that indicate their position for entering the Creek at night. I'm glad I wasn't trying to enter at night with these 2 sets of flashing lights when the chart indicates there should only be one.

Have you ever had the fun of anchoring beside some one who use one of these strobes as an anchor light. Bit like some one continually flashing a touch in to your cabin.

My thoughts anyway.
southace
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9 Aug 2015 2:36pm
I would not recommend a Tri colour on a 28 footer HO2, just fit a good LED anchor light and a combined steam and deck light. I often use my steam and anchor light in heavy shipping on dark nights, The steaming light highlights the Headsail for added peace of mind.

I seen some twit while waiting to enter Wide bay Bar with both deck and TRi colour lights on I spent a good hour wasting time trying to work out what two angled red lights where! It wasn't till sun rise I made out it was a small yacht waiting in the line up.

K.I.S.S


Crusoe
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9 Aug 2015 3:08pm
Hello HG, I use an Aqua Signal light on my mast. It has the Tri-colour Above and an all-round white (anchor) light below. You can by special LED Lights for them. One type of LED light suits the "All-round White (anchor) light" and another type for the Tri-colour. navigation light. Whitworths sell them.

I also have the steaming/deck light combination (that front mentioned) 1/3 of the way down the mast. Yep, Whitworths sell the as well

Now I also have a separate set of deck level navigation lights which is use when in close quarters with other boats. Places like waterways where the other boat operators may not see my mast head navigation lights due to them being above their field of vision at close quarters. These deck level navigation lights are on a 2 position switch with the Mast-head navigation light so that only one set can ever be turned on at any time.

There are some nice fully sealed LED lights you can get now that would be suitable for Deck level installation. I have one on the stern but not sure of the brand off hand. Probably get them from the same paces as the others.

Cheers
HG02
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9 Aug 2015 5:00pm
I've fitted deck level nav lights already . My way of thinking if some stop working I have a quick option. That's my reasoning for mast naV and anchor.
I seem to remember Bubbles had a nice one which would change to anchor from Nav or something like that .Ill harass him see what hes got say also

Many thanks for the imput guys taken on board
Hella have some real nice LED flood /work lights Frant . I've fitted them on a few council graders , awesome light and low power

I have only two cabin lights to change to LED as whitworths sent the wrong Led globes to suit the cabin lights I only fit LED if at all possible

Ill check out Hellas catalogue at work this week
HG02
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9 Aug 2015 5:01pm
slammin said..
FWIW I replaced my steaming light last year with an LED and before I installed it I completely dismantled it and painted the whole circuit board with liquid electrical tape. Easy peace of mind.


Thats a good idea Slamin do it once and that's it well its supposed be that way
southace
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9 Aug 2015 4:38pm
Running all that power 30foot up a mast my bet which will fail first before your cabin Nav lights. You can purchase clamp on battery nav lights for spares if some how your cabin lights fail! K.I.S.S
FreeRadical
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9 Aug 2015 3:53pm
HG02 said..
I've fitted deck level nav lights already . My way of thinking if some stop working I have a quick option. That's my reasoning for mast naV and anchor.
I seem to remember Bubbles had a nice one which would change to anchor from Nav or something like that .Ill harass him see what hes got say also

Many thanks for the imput guys taken on board
Hella have some real nice LED flood /work lights Frant . I've fitted them on a few council graders , awesome light and low power

I have only two cabin lights to change to LED as whitworths sent the wrong Led globes to suit the cabin lights I only fit LED if at all possible

Ill check out Hellas catalogue at work this week



That would only work if under sail. If motoring, masthead (steaming) must be above the sidelights.

Flashing anchor light? Could be mistaken for navigation markers and thus potentially illegal? Perhaps ok for distress?

I've done quite a few night race starts and tricolours are a pain, hard to spot not being in your general field of vision. Once offshore though, they are great.

I just carry little portable battery LED nav lights as a backup. These are required for Cat 4 or night races; and having independent power source is just plain logical.

slammin
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9 Aug 2015 6:24pm
We have unfortunately come across the same boat a few times who has a blue strobe light on at night. Really ruins a calm anchorage.

I could understand if it was a dangerous or busy but otherwise its just light pollution.
HG02
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9 Aug 2015 6:48pm
FreeRadical said..

HG02 said..
I've fitted deck level nav lights already . My way of thinking if some stop working I have a quick option. That's my reasoning for mast naV and anchor.
I seem to remember Bubbles had a nice one which would change to anchor from Nav or something like that .Ill harass him see what hes got say also

Many thanks for the imput guys taken on board
Hella have some real nice LED flood /work lights Frant . I've fitted them on a few council graders , awesome light and low power

I have only two cabin lights to change to LED as whitworths sent the wrong Led globes to suit the cabin lights I only fit LED if at all possible

Ill check out Hellas catalogue at work this week




That would only work if under sail. If motoring, masthead (steaming) must be above the sidelights.

Flashing anchor light? Could be mistaken for navigation markers and thus potentially illegal? Perhaps ok for distress?

I've done quite a few night race starts and tricolours are a pain, hard to spot not being in your general field of vision. Once offshore though, they are great.

I just carry little portable battery LED nav lights as a backup. These are required for Cat 4 or night races; and having independent power source is just plain logical.


I wont be flashing anything the deck nav lights ( port & starboard and a stern light) would be on a different circuit than the masts Ive basically fitted them while Ive no mast But Ill leave them there for a emergency.

Another question


One other thing that comes to mind originally the Radio aerial was fitted to the main mast which I think Ill return there . plus I was thinking of adding another aerial base and lead so if the mast came down and keep the aerial in storage inside the boat I could just switch leads out of the radio and at least have a VHF radio that works .
keensailor
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9 Aug 2015 7:11pm
I used these Hella LEDs for steaming and anchor lights, not cheap but will never have to replace again;






sirgallivant
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9 Aug 2015 7:35pm





southace
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9 Aug 2015 7:08pm
No it's not legally required for a 28 foot yacht to have Tri colour lights. Maybe in your state? Never heard of this ....
FreeRadical
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9 Aug 2015 5:55pm
HG02 said..

FreeRadical said..


HG02 said..
I've fitted deck level nav lights already . My way of thinking if some stop working I have a quick option. That's my reasoning for mast naV and anchor.
I seem to remember Bubbles had a nice one which would change to anchor from Nav or something like that .Ill harass him see what hes got say also

Many thanks for the imput guys taken on board
Hella have some real nice LED flood /work lights Frant . I've fitted them on a few council graders , awesome light and low power

I have only two cabin lights to change to LED as whitworths sent the wrong Led globes to suit the cabin lights I only fit LED if at all possible

Ill check out Hellas catalogue at work this week





That would only work if under sail. If motoring, masthead (steaming) must be above the sidelights.

Flashing anchor light? Could be mistaken for navigation markers and thus potentially illegal? Perhaps ok for distress?

I've done quite a few night race starts and tricolours are a pain, hard to spot not being in your general field of vision. Once offshore though, they are great.

I just carry little portable battery LED nav lights as a backup. These are required for Cat 4 or night races; and having independent power source is just plain logical.



I wont be flashing anything the deck nav lights ( port & starboard and a stern light) would be on a different circuit than the masts Ive basically fitted them while Ive no mast But Ill leave them there for a emergency.

Another question


One other thing that comes to mind originally the Radio aerial was fitted to the main mast which I think Ill return there . plus I was thinking of adding another aerial base and lead so if the mast came down and keep the aerial in storage inside the boat I could just switch leads out of the radio and at least have a VHF radio that works .


Just remember that your deck Nav lights are not just for an emergency, but are required to be used if under motor, you cannot use a mastead mounted tricolour when under power. You should consider emergency lights as those with an independent power supply apart from ships house/start.

Spare Antenna is a great idea, we carry a rail mount one as a spare with cable to reach the radio.

cat 4 safety requirements cover all this and is a good reference for kitting out for coastal offshore.




sirgallivant
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9 Aug 2015 7:55pm
Well, l am watching a cd from RMS (NSW) which lists all the lights for different vessels and has a brilliant recognition test as well.
It is clear as clear can be that any sailing vessel under 12 metres required to have a mast head tri-color light.

I bought the boat in Qld. though.

southace
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9 Aug 2015 7:30pm
Keep watching it mate I'm sure it's just a option to have TRI lights on vessels under 12 meters could be different with a commercial yacht under 12.
FreeRadical
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9 Aug 2015 6:06pm
COLREGS Rule 25

(a) A sailing vessel underway shall exhibit:
(i) sidelights;
(i) a sternlight.

(b) In a sailing vessel of less than 20 m in length the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule may be combined in one lantern at or near the top of the mast where it can best be seen.

(c) A sailing vessel underway may, in addition to the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule, exhibit at or near the top of the mast, where they can best be seen, two all-round lights in a vertical line, the upper being red and the lower green, but these lights shall not be exhibited in conjunction with the combined lantern permitted by paragraph (b) of this Rule.

(d)(i) A sailing vessel of less than 7 m in length shall, if practicable, exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.
(ii) A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights prescribed in this Rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent a collision.

(e) A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape, apex downwards.
sirgallivant
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9 Aug 2015 8:08pm
We are talking about sailing vessels...

As l wrote, l got the latest from the authorities, but!

As Southace is from Qld. HG from Vic. Freeradical from WA. and l am from NSW. I am sure we are all right on this, just different countries have different rules.

My 28 never ever had any other nav. lights than the tri-colors and anchor lights on the mast head the steaming light and a deck light.

southace
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9 Aug 2015 7:40pm
It's just a optional extra.
Jolene
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9 Aug 2015 6:18pm
The way I understood it for my 10 m sailboat

Only deck level nav lights /Sailing
or
Only mast head TriLight/ Sailing
or
Only deck level nav lights and vertical Red&Green masthead/sailing

Under power = deck level nav lights and forward steaming light mid mast

I have a Supernova LED Tri-light anchor light combo.
sirgallivant
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9 Aug 2015 8:29pm
I reconsidered and deleted my words.
I was wrong.
Checked the facts and both, mast head and side lights are legal and can be used concurrently, though mast head tri-colors only are also acceptable. I should have checked the facts before writing. Sorry.

FreeRadical
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9 Aug 2015 6:36pm
sirgallivant said..
I reconsidered and deleted my words.
I was wrong.
Checked the facts and both, mast head and side lights are legal and can be used concurrently, though mast head tri-colors only are also acceptable. I should have checked the facts before writing. Sorry.



That's the good thing about this forum Sir G, misunderstandings are usually cleared up pretty quick and that benefits everyone, no need to apologise, we all make mistakes and we all learn considerably from this forum.
knight
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9 Aug 2015 8:44pm
FreeRadical said...
COLREGS Rule 25

(a) A sailing vessel underway shall exhibit:
(i) sidelights;
(i) a sternlight.

(b) In a sailing vessel of less than 20 m in length the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule may be combined in one lantern at or near the top of the mast where it can best be seen.

(c) A sailing vessel underway may, in addition to the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule, exhibit at or near the top of the mast, where they can best be seen, two all-round lights in a vertical line, the upper being red and the lower green, but these lights shall not be exhibited in conjunction with the combined lantern permitted by paragraph (b) of this Rule.

(d)(i) A sailing vessel of less than 7 m in length shall, if practicable, exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.
(ii) A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights prescribed in this Rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent a collision.

(e) A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape, apex downwards.


And just for completeness:

Rule 22:
Visibility of lights
The lights prescribed in these Rules shall have an intensity as specified in Section 8 of Annex1 to these Regulations so as to be visible at the following minimum ranges.

B) In vessels of 12 metres or more in length but less than than 50 metres in length:
a masthead light, 5 miles; except where the length of the vessel is less than 20 metres, 3 miles.
a sidelight, 2 miles;
a sternlight, 2 miles;
a towing light, 2 miles;
a white, red, green or yellow all-round light, 2 miles.

C) In vessels of less the 12m in length:
a masthead light, 2 miles;
a sidelight, 1 miles;
a sternlight, 2 miles;
a towing light, 2 miles;
a white, red, green or yellow all-round light, 2 miles.
sirgallivant
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9 Aug 2015 8:45pm
Yeap. Thanks.
I would hate to be unforgiven.

Bananabender
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9 Aug 2015 8:56pm
FreeRadical said..
COLREGS Rule 25

(a) A sailing vessel underway shall exhibit:
(i) sidelights;
(i) a sternlight.

(b) In a sailing vessel of less than 20 m in length the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule may be combined in one lantern at or near the top of the mast where it can best be seen.

(c) A sailing vessel underway may, in addition to the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule, exhibit at or near the top of the mast, where they can best be seen, two all-round lights in a vertical line, the upper being red and the lower green, but these lights shall not be exhibited in conjunction with the combined lantern permitted by paragraph (b) of this Rule.

(d)(i) A sailing vessel of less than 7 m in length shall, if practicable, exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.
(ii) A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights prescribed in this Rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent a collision.

(e) A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape, apex downwards.


+1
BTW who displays ,and where, a black upside down cone when motoring with sail up in daylight and a black ball when anchored.
sunycoastguy
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9 Aug 2015 9:11pm
Also what are the rules for dinghies at night, are we supposed to have lights on dinghies?
HG02
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9 Aug 2015 9:35pm
FreeRadical said..

HG02 said..


FreeRadical said..



HG02 said..
I've fitted deck level nav lights already . My way of thinking if some stop working I have a quick option. That's my reasoning for mast naV and anchor.
I seem to remember Bubbles had a nice one which would change to anchor from Nav or something like that .Ill harass him see what hes got say also

Many thanks for the imput guys taken on board
Hella have some real nice LED flood /work lights Frant . I've fitted them on a few council graders , awesome light and low power

I have only two cabin lights to change to LED as whitworths sent the wrong Led globes to suit the cabin lights I only fit LED if at all possible

Ill check out Hellas catalogue at work this week






That would only work if under sail. If motoring, masthead (steaming) must be above the sidelights.

Flashing anchor light? Could be mistaken for navigation markers and thus potentially illegal? Perhaps ok for distress?

I've done quite a few night race starts and tricolours are a pain, hard to spot not being in your general field of vision. Once offshore though, they are great.

I just carry little portable battery LED nav lights as a backup. These are required for Cat 4 or night races; and having independent power source is just plain logical.




I wont be flashing anything the deck nav lights ( port & starboard and a stern light) would be on a different circuit than the masts Ive basically fitted them while Ive no mast But Ill leave them there for a emergency.

Another question


One other thing that comes to mind originally the Radio aerial was fitted to the main mast which I think Ill return there . plus I was thinking of adding another aerial base and lead so if the mast came down and keep the aerial in storage inside the boat I could just switch leads out of the radio and at least have a VHF radio that works .



Just remember that your deck Nav lights are not just for an emergency, but are required to be used if under motor, you cannot use a mastead mounted tricolour when under power. You should consider emergency lights as those with an independent power supply apart from ships house/start.

Spare Antenna is a great idea, we carry a rail mount one as a spare with cable to reach the radio.

cat 4 safety requirements cover all this and is a good reference for kitting out for coastal offshore.






The deck lights were fitted for motoring also as I don't yet have my masts fitted
Bananabender
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QLD
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9 Aug 2015 9:36pm
sunycoastguy said..
Also what are the rules for dinghies at night, are we supposed to have lights on dinghies?


Non motored as a min. A torch ( lantern) .
Motored ,under 7 knots An all round white light , lantern as a min.
HG02
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9 Aug 2015 9:40pm
Bananabender said..

FreeRadical said..
COLREGS Rule 25

(a) A sailing vessel underway shall exhibit:
(i) sidelights;
(i) a sternlight.

(b) In a sailing vessel of less than 20 m in length the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule may be combined in one lantern at or near the top of the mast where it can best be seen.

(c) A sailing vessel underway may, in addition to the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule, exhibit at or near the top of the mast, where they can best be seen, two all-round lights in a vertical line, the upper being red and the lower green, but these lights shall not be exhibited in conjunction with the combined lantern permitted by paragraph (b) of this Rule.

(d)(i) A sailing vessel of less than 7 m in length shall, if practicable, exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.
(ii) A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights prescribed in this Rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent a collision.

(e) A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape, apex downwards.



+1
BTW who displays ,and where, a black upside down cone when motoring with sail up in daylight and a black ball when anchored.

BTW who displays ,and where, a black upside down cone when motoring with sail up in daylight and a black ball when anchored.


Might get a bum tattoo with the cone on it may be or just drop my daks & give my self a wedgie with black jocks on
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